Legion - Assassination Discussion

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If anyone has simmed their stat weights, can you post the stats you simmed with, and the stat weights you got? Sims are telling me to keep dumping all Crit for Mastery, but I don't want to jump ship too early.

Personally, I simmed with 32.66% Crit and 117.28% Mastery and got Agility=16.69, CritRating=11.73, HasteRating=7.29, MasteryRating=14.65, Versatility=11.46.

37% crit and 122% mastery pre food and it still has mastery very high. I really do believe mastery is insano with the MP/vigor/AP build

[MostlyEvilKiwi]

yep, both simcraft and amr report best dps at about 27% crit w/ the rest mastery for my character with MP/Vigor/AP build.

but exsang build likes 41% crit, perhaps because of EP.

no real testing, just simming.

[scarfdeath]

37% crit and 122% mastery pre food and it still has mastery very high. I really do believe mastery is insano with the MP/vigor/AP build

mine :
Agility 14.39
Mastery 14.22
Critical Strike 13
Versatility 11.86
Haste 8.48

[Djspw]

Testing right now: MP/ Vigor/ AP with 32% crit 6% haste 126% and 5% versa in ToV hc

[Won7on]

except... there is NO DIFFERENCE
You have the talent Surge of Toxins, the way it works is effectively the same way you handle EP.
so if you want to benefit from it, you still pool energy to envenom during SoT.

Except Surge of Toxins doesn't buff Envenom.

[Greylan]

Except Surge of Toxins doesn't buff Envenom.

But SoT buffs AP iirc, which will make the envenom do more damage if you do it while SoT is still active.

I don't know if that's optimal, just noting the envenom should do more damage if it's within the SoT window.

[Elyzibeth]

yep, both simcraft and amr report best dps at about 27% crit w/ the rest mastery for my character with MP/Vigor/AP build.

but exsang build likes 41% crit, perhaps because of EP.

no real testing, just simming.

I did a little quick dinking around with the same kind of testing and came up with similar results, dropping some crit and putting it into mastery created higher simmed DPS, but it was pretty minimal, 496k vs. 499k.

[Won7on]

But SoT buffs AP iirc, which will make the envenom do more damage if you do it while SoT is still active.

I don't know if that's optimal, just noting the envenom should do more damage if it's within the SoT window.

AP snapshots SoT, though. So it's not strictly about clipping SoT with another Envenom, but about getting it in before the snapshotted AP is replaced with a weaker one.

AP application chance is much higher now, though, so you're probably right, you effectively want to Envenom right at the end of a SoT.

[shaunika123]

btw, am i correct in assuming that our optimal 4pc will be cloak chest helm pants (MP AP) ?

or is haste good for the MP AP build?

obviously excluding legendaries/TF procs

[Pinch]

btw, am i correct in assuming that our optimal 4pc will be cloak chest helm pants (MP AP) ?

or is haste good for the MP AP build?

obviously excluding legendaries/TF procs

Yes, shoulders/gloves are the offset slots.

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God damn the boots are so super strong now. My mate is destroying me dps wise due to more or less two times higher vendetta uptime. I got only one good parse at guarm hc (in mythic I got multiheaded by tank failure... GZ 19% on WCL xD).

[omeomorfismo]

God damn the boots are so super strong now. My mate is destroying me dps wise due to more or less two times higher vendetta uptime. I got only one good parse at guarm hc (in mythic I got multiheaded by tank failure... GZ 19% on WCL xD).

how you can have only 20% uptime? you throw MA relic?

[Unseenkilla]

I have to give it to Blizz here, I'm really enjoying the MP/AP/Vigor build. Currently without buffs I'm at 35% crit, 134% mastery and feel powerful. Being able to short rupture for same damage with quick dying adds, lots of energy regen, and just the flow of the rotation feels nice. Not to mention timing Vendetta with Kingsbane and SoT damage is insane -- max dot tick was 1.4m and 13% of my damage. Wish I had the Boots and wrist, must be crazy seeing how much damage your Kingsbane DoT does when at 30% execute range.

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how you can have only 20% uptime? you throw MA relic?

I am playing 3 ma relics = 1m24s cooldown

He has boots + 3 ma relics = ~48s avg on our mythic raids tonight

36sec difference. I just rounded 45s and 1m30s (thats why i used "more or less")

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I am playing 3 ma relics = 1m24s cooldown

120 sec /2min cd as base
48 sec reduce from trait + relics,
thats 72 sec cd or 1min and 12 sec.

[metalslave]

Yes, shoulders/gloves are the offset slots.

A 885+ nightbane chest + good EoC will be easily replaced on NH? Because if not you have to consider chest as an offset

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A 885+ nightbane chest + good EoC will be easily replaced on NH? Because if not you have to consider chest as an offset

Judging from what the others simmed, it wont be to powerfull anymore because crit is now behind mastery.

[DakonBlackblade]

The Sin 2 parter is simulating wrong on AMR I think, didn't check on SimC, but apparently on AMR they are considering that the bleed procs Venomous Wounds, wich we know it doesn't. Sin 2 parter gives us like a passive 5% damage buff and thats it, when I sin it on AMR my DPS goes up 80k wich is nuts.

[Won7on]

Judging from what the others simmed, it wont be to powerfull anymore because crit is now behind mastery.

It was a bit overrated from the start, IMO, unless you were lucky enough to get a 890 Eye of Command or something. Most fights DO involve target-swapping. Even if EoC sims higher, a decent stat stick will usually be higher.