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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    In 30 hours playing her, I've missed more than enough shots scoped healing to know it does not. She has generous hit boxes, but not that generous.
    I just ran a quick test in the practice range and you're definitely right. Even at short-medium range, being in the triangle didn't guarantee a hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wholol View Post
    Blizzard's matchmaking algorithm is totally Fucked tbh, although I'm sure we both agree levels have nothing to do with actual skill level.

    Heck not even solo rating is a definition of skill level, I've seen some people in master play like boosted animals , no joke.
    I've also won against a 6 stack as a team of randoms, the more I'm playing the game the more I realize it's got much less to do with actual skill and more of an RNG of sorts, although that still doesn't make people complaining to be stuck in "elo hell " justified.

    I mean sure sometimes people end up on a losing streak, but if said person cannot climb up again or more, it means they're doing something wrong and are in denial about it.

    This happens a lot , especially this season. A lot of people focus on the "meta" when they can't even play said meta champs properly in the rating range they're in to even affect the outcome of the game.

    What people in plat( heck even low diamond) and below should be doing is playing the champs that have the highest impact per rating range they are in, there are some very strong champs that are often mistaken to be weak or out of meta that can totally destroy games in plat and below.

    Finally I must say, if you're stuck in mid plat and lower, go into a custom game by urself, set the game mode to headshots ONLY in the options and increase damage modifier to 200% , this means headshots become one shots but any other shots do 0 damage, then proceed to fill the enemy team with ana bots ( set difficulty based on comfort) , start with beginner level bots until you can reliable headshot them with mcree regularly while you are moving around/ strafing , then up the difficulty. Once you're able to reliably headshot ana's at max difficulty regularly ( more than 50% of the time ) you will find that regardless of what hitscan champ u play you will start to kill people much more efficiently and accurately.

    This helps a lot in the lower brackets because to be entirely honest, almost no one can aim well there.
    I dunno, normally its been pretty fine; just get these odd days. Queues were generally pretty long though and I didn't log until pretty late.

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    Here is some good advise.


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    That's actually really good advice. Imagine how much less cancerous ranked or even QP would be if we could all have that attitude and strategy.
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    New failing trend seems to be no one wanting to heal, tank OR play a DPS with good ranged attacks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draex View Post
    He is a solid counter on both the PC and Console, but only if he gets help. A good Pharah can 2 shot soldier, there is this weird obsession that soldier should be able to 1 v 1 Pharah in any circumstance. If teams realised if they gave soldier a slight bit of help I.e. Ana tagging Pharah once you would shut down Pharah every time, leaving 5 v 6, but no the false expectation is to leave soldier 1 v 1 and then whine if Pharah isn't completely locked down (ignore the fact you are also expected to be able to shot through walls to kill her when she is spamming the chokepoint which Reindhart just stands in till he dies..)
    The mentality of 76 being a great counter to Pharah is a carry over from before her mobility buff. When she could spend less time in the sky it was easier for him to keep track of her and pump her full of bullets. It's certainly possible now, too, but now that she can move through the air more easily it's easier for her to escape and position herself for an advantage.

    Not to mention there's a good chance that the 76 in question is being hassled on ground level by other members of Pharah's team. A lot of people seem to forget that this is a team based game. Yes, hard counters exist but that doesn't mean the Tracer darting about the battlefield can't put a few bullets in the Reinhardt chasing the D.va on her team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeham View Post
    The mentality of 76 being a great counter to Pharah is a carry over from before her mobility buff. When she could spend less time in the sky it was easier for him to keep track of her and pump her full of bullets. It's certainly possible now, too, but now that she can move through the air more easily it's easier for her to escape and position herself for an advantage.

    Not to mention there's a good chance that the 76 in question is being hassled on ground level by other members of Pharah's team. A lot of people seem to forget that this is a team based game. Yes, hard counters exist but that doesn't mean the Tracer darting about the battlefield can't put a few bullets in the Reinhardt chasing the D.va on her team.
    Problem these days is Mercy + Phara'. Not really seeing a counter to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Problem these days is Mercy + Phara'. Not really seeing a counter to it.
    hitscan heroes?

    its really easy to bring both of them down as soldier.
    just be sure to kill the mercy first, to not risk failing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcher Arafal View Post
    hitscan heroes?

    its really easy to bring both of them down as soldier.
    just be sure to kill the mercy first, to not risk failing.
    Yep of course, the boosted pharah who basically 1 shots you before mercy is even dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgummage View Post
    From the heady heights of 2373 (one point below my career high) I've crashed and burned in solo queue to 1717.
    That sounds like my season 2 experience. Feelstraumatic

    When I have my golden Mercy weapons then I will reevaluate whether to keep playing comp.

    Zarya's mega cannon of death beams is pretty sick once covered in delicious gold, though. Hrm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draex View Post
    Yep of course, the boosted pharah who basically 1 shots you before mercy is even dead.
    who ask you to solo VS 2 ?

    You still have your team arround you. Dva/Rein should protect you. Roadhog can hook Mercy. A single ana shot on mercy should help you enough to kill her as Soldier.

    Its not because "hitscan counte pharah/mercy" that you are expected to go full single rambo VS them. It's still a team game, play as a team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draex View Post
    He is a solid counter on both the PC and Console, but only if he gets help. A good Pharah can 2 shot soldier, there is this weird obsession that soldier should be able to 1 v 1 Pharah in any circumstance. If teams realised if they gave soldier a slight bit of help I.e. Ana tagging Pharah once you would shut down Pharah every time, leaving 5 v 6, but no the false expectation is to leave soldier 1 v 1 and then whine if Pharah isn't completely locked down (ignore the fact you are also expected to be able to shot through walls to kill her when she is spamming the chokepoint which Reindhart just stands in till he dies..)
    Soldier is supposed to be a counter to pharah, that it should take an extra player to counter her is kind of ridiculous and I stand by my claim that she needs more counters.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    who ask you to solo VS 2 ?

    You still have your team arround you. Dva/Rein should protect you. Roadhog can hook Mercy. A single ana shot on mercy should help you enough to kill her as Soldier.

    Its not because "hitscan counte pharah/mercy" that you are expected to go full single rambo VS them. It's still a team game, play as a team.
    That's my exact point, there is a total miss conception soldier should solo Pharah 1 v 1 or even 1 v 2. It's a team game and more often than not you get left (as soldier) to be a single counter. More often than not you get charged by Dva and yet still your team will be whining.. "Soldier kill Pharah" all game, "you're shit soldier kill Pharah" etc. Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Problem these days is Mercy + Phara'. Not really seeing a counter to it.
    Another Pharah + Mercy! ^^

    Seriously been countered that way before, if their Pharah is even a little bit better at aiming than your own then you're going down, Pharah one shots 200 health people with body shots with Mercy's damage buff, which means the other Mercy can't save their Pharah or themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Here is some good advise.

    Indeed, trying to keep a positive attitude and stopping people from arguing with each other has significantly improved my chances of winning games and made us turn games we thought for sure we were going to lose. A week ago I played Anubis defence and the opposing team captured both points within a minute and some manner of seconds, people immediately started blaming, complaining etc, I tried to tell them to calm down and work together as nicely as I could, and guess what, we captured the second point 20 seconds slower than they did, all of a sudden we had a fighting chance.

    I also think he hits the nail on the head at 08:10, people are way too caught up in what heroes "must" be played, as a main Mercy I get stuff like "Mercy's bad on attack", "Mercy's no good on king of the hill", "Mercy's bad against Winston", yet I get gold healing every game, turn fights around and end up receiving praise and friend requests even from the opposing team. Just try to keep a positive attitude and remain calm.

    And most important of all: Have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Soldier is supposed to be a counter to pharah, that it should take an extra player to counter her is kind of ridiculous and I stand by my claim that she needs more counters.
    It's not 1vs2 but more like a 6vs6 game.

    You need to create openings as a team to counter specific characters, if the match turns to be more like a 5 or 4 vs6 game that single phara will wreck certain players even if the soldier is a demi-god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    It's not 1vs2 but more like a 6vs6 game.

    You need to create openings as a team to counter specific characters, if the match turns to be more like a 5 or 4 vs6 game that single phara will wreck certain players even if the soldier is a demi-god.
    I've started playing Ana far more, so I can help v's a Pharah.. Played 3 games last night where their Pharah swapped due to being shut down by me and soldier anytime she showed, all I had to do was tag her once. We won the games easily as they were 5 v 6 before any major engagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Problem these days is Mercy + Phara'. Not really seeing a counter to it.
    I've seen a good widow shut down a Phar/mercy combo with some good headshot aiming tbh, but can't expect everyone to headshot reliably unless they've practiced a lot.

    But ye in general a clean headshot on pharah will drop her regardless of whatever mercy is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Soldier is supposed to be a counter to pharah, that it should take an extra player to counter her is kind of ridiculous and I stand by my claim that she needs more counters.
    No characters are 1:1 shutdowns without the team doing something and v/v. Example, Winston is a hard counter to Genji but only if Genji's team doesn't heal him or try and damage the Winston at all. Same with Phara, Soldier is only a counter if no one tries to heal the Pharah or kill Soldier. This is a team game. You don't pick one character and say 'ok guys, we have shut them down let's roll this game'...you know? Counters right now are fine apart from some combos on some maps which feel a bit cheap, but it doesn't get played in comp a lot.

    This also disregards the skill levels of the players. Technically the player that is the counter has to have somewhat better skill than the other. You don't just get a counter by default of picking that character. You still have to be able to play it.
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    When does this season end? I still need to do 5 placement matches. Been severly slacking in my OWing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugraka View Post
    When does this season end? I still need to do 5 placement matches. Been severly slacking in my OWing
    Next month sometime. It hasn't been announced yet but seasons run ~3 months and S3 started December 1.

    My guess is sometime around Feb 17th.
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