+35 sucks!

[styil]

I seem to remember an expansion ago that people complained there was nothing to do.

Man, it's impossible to please people.

WoD had mindless bars to fill. It was not received well. Not sure why they chose to double down on that design decision and add character power as a reward on top of that.

[Thorbalt]

The +35 grind killed most of the 'fun' I used to have from this game .. A s a casual player I used to play many hours a week across multiple toons .. That's all gone now .. Simply knowing my character is inferior as well as I need to grind until my eyes bleed simply SUCKS!

I loved the fact raiding meant better gear .. I loved the fact that higher PvP rating meant better gear .. That is all the work I think should be required to max power your character .. Adding AK grind was bad for the game .. ON TOP OF THAT SHIT they add +35 more points for 14.5% more stats or damage was it?!

I bet play time has dropped for many players, and if they keep this Asian grind fest pretty sure subs gonna follow and fall ...

Man it feels like NCSoft has taken over Acti-Blizz!

Glad to see that you, like so so SO many other brainless idiots, run yourself to death when a carrot is put in front of your face rather than learn how to pace yourself

[TEHPALLYTANK]

WoD had mindless bars to fill. It was not received well. Not sure why they chose to double down on that design decision and add character power as a reward on top of that.

Part of why people didn't like those bars is that the rewards were garbage. Apexis gear was absolute shit until 6.2 finally rolled around.

[Jtbrig7390]

I seem to remember an expansion ago that people complained there was nothing to do.

Man, it's impossible to please people.

There is a difference in nothing to do and nothing fun to do to be fair.

[Resentless]

WoD wasn't just lacking "fun", it was literally lacking. There was a huge dearth of content. Less raids and dungeons, and no dungeons worth running after 625 or so item level. The garrison kept people segregated and professions were so piss-easy it wasn't worth it.

This. There was literally nothing to do outside of farmville garrisons, raiding and arena (which are the staples that have existed since Vanilla and TBC.

[Anon56]

That's what you get for catering the farmville audience.

As weird as it can be, it looks like some people actually like doing non challenging content like world quests. They log on, do their 4 world quest and log off or if they have some time they do a bit more, they're happy and they have "something to do". It's like your mom logging on facebook to take care of her farm. But hey don't be mistaken it's not like they're watching reality tv like the rest of the sheep, they're actively playing a video games, it's a stimulus for the brain !!

For the people saying people complained in WoD and are never happy, it's not the same people complaining. This time it's real gamers complaining, not the candy crush crowd.

Glad to see that you, like so so SO many other brainless idiots, run yourself to death when a carrot is put in front of your face rather than learn how to pace yourself

Mythic raids are tuned for artefact lvl, of course you don't need that to do your lfr.

[xanzul]

The +35 grind killed most of the 'fun' I used to have from this game .. A s a casual player I used to play many hours a week across multiple toons .. That's all gone now .. Simply knowing my character is inferior as well as I need to grind until my eyes bleed simply SUCKS!

I loved the fact raiding meant better gear .. I loved the fact that higher PvP rating meant better gear .. That is all the work I think should be required to max power your character .. Adding AK grind was bad for the game .. ON TOP OF THAT SHIT they add +35 more points for 14.5% more stats or damage was it?!

I bet play time has dropped for many players, and if they keep this Asian grind fest pretty sure subs gonna follow and fall ...

Man it feels like NCSoft has taken over Acti-Blizz!

Enough with the shit posting already.

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That's a reductionist argument. The problem with WoD was there was nothing fun to do. The OP has that same problem today, because he doesn't enjoy grinding out AP. And that's valid.

Fun is subjective and people absolutely complained there was nothing to do fun or otherwise in Wod. this is straight up trolling.

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Ah, don't be a fool. If he wants to play the game the way he wants to, he needs to farm it or he'll be called a slacker and replaced by somebody who will have the will to farm AP to stay on top.

Seriously where are these mythical people who are being benched for not grinding AP 24/7? They spend far too much time whining about this stupid shit on forums to be actually doing anything in game. I haven't seen one single person here or on the official forums throwing a hissy fit over AP/AK that has actually done ANYTHING of note this expansion. They are whining for the sake of whining.

[lockedout]

I seem to remember an expansion ago that people complained there was nothing to do.

Man, it's impossible to please people.

The nothing to do argument is weak since very few players accomplish everything during an expansion. However mindless grinds are fine if its for a rare pet or something similar (see netherwing rep, timbermaw etc.) when they put weapon power behind it that kind of says to me they have no new innovative ideas. All that being said with the knowledge power multiplier at full level and the compendium alts and getting to level 35 isn't very difficult at all. Also to mention you don't need to get a lucky drop in a raid to have BiS weapons.

[xanzul]

Oh bullshit. Still his choice to play with those people, etc. VERY few guilds are going to boot you for not having 54. And if he insists on playing with those people it's HIS CHOICE.

Man up. Decide what's important. Quit bitching and whining and take charge of your life and responsibility for your decisions.

PS: bolded the key parts. The way HE WANTS TO.... choices come with consequences. Deal.

It is a very rare day in hell that I ever agree with clevin much less admit to it. This is a player made problem. Period. End of story. I want Blizzard to make game design decisions based on game play not based on people who can't say no to their guild or supposed friends.

[Wildpantz]

I hit ak25 6 days ago i think through the app i had 0 lvls in my balance weapon i am now 1 mil left for the 5%damage point. So 6 days at ak25 not that hard the last 9.5% is a goal you work towards not grind

[Ealyssa]

And the plebs love them for it. I really don't get how people can be so satisfied with such mindnumbing grinds

That's because the gigantic majority of the player bases have either :

-Self control. They just don't care that much if they are 35 or 38. It will come soon enough and don't block them to do any MM+15 or raiding they like.
-Suck it up. Usually the most hardcore top X players. The have a goal : being the best. And don't bother grinding AP. You can find plenty of these on twitch/youtube and the best guilds in the world.

What's left are the wannabe tryhards "ME NEED BE GUD" that just can't swallow the ammount of food they put themselves on their plate. Nobody ask them to, but they are just too stupid to even see that "OMG TOO MUCH TO EAT I CANT DO IT". No shit, you're dumb AF.

[Sliske]

I seem to remember an expansion ago that people complained there was nothing to do.

Man, it's impossible to please people.

What an odd idea.

Whats more likely - that the playerbase is schizophrenic, or you're hearing a different opinion, one that was silent last expansion?

Like jesus - think.

[TITAN308]

It is a very rare day in hell that I ever agree with clevin much less admit to it. This is a player made problem. Period. End of story. I want Blizzard to make game design decisions based on game play not based on people who can't say no to their guild or supposed friends.

I've been saying it a lot lately, but I'll say it again.

All of these socially awkward people want Blizzard to be their licensed medical professionals. Its bizarre.

[cFortyfive]

-Self control.
-Suck it up.

Thanks for the valuable message these two points clearly change something about the nature of the grind. /s
Again terrible plebs hailing blizzard for retarded grinds.

[Fang7986]

This is why Blizzard ignores so much of the things people are saying..

Blizz should probably ignore even more.

[madmonarch]

This. You aren't supposed to log in and immediately have everything like in WOD.

But but but... You have everything in Legion. Gear are pouring from everywhere. Same thing in WoD was only in Tanaan, where you got 650...695 gear (first signs of titanforged eh?).

No one's asking to give them something right now. But the viability for the one of the most challenging content are (were*) gated behind nearly infinite blunt grind - that's the source of complaints.

*today while nearly all got their 35th trait the problem became less hot. But look at the start of EN and at the initial tuning of of ToV - all more or less serious raiders were required to farm ap. Same will happen again if Blizzard add new strong traits.

[Super Kami Dende]

The +35 grind killed most of the 'fun' I used to have from this game .. As a casual player

If you are a Casual player why do you require the 35+ traits right now instead of just gaining them gradually as the expansion progresses?

99% of these "OMFG GRIND!!" complaints are just laziness or entitlement.

[Deleted]

Well... i agree and it's doubled down with the legendary system.

When people complained there wasn't enough content it wasn't a cry out for repetitive and dull content. The grind puts pressure on the players to play so they don't fall behind. It becomes a job rather than a game. You play for obligation, not because it's fun.

I can't wait for the next expansion where this... isn't a thing anymore.

[mage21]

The +35 grind killed most of the 'fun' I used to have from this game .. A s a casual player I used to play many hours a week across multiple toons .. That's all gone now .. Simply knowing my character is inferior as well as I need to grind until my eyes bleed simply SUCKS!

I loved the fact raiding meant better gear .. I loved the fact that higher PvP rating meant better gear .. That is all the work I think should be required to max power your character .. Adding AK grind was bad for the game .. ON TOP OF THAT SHIT they add +35 more points for 14.5% more stats or damage was it?!

I bet play time has dropped for many players, and if they keep this Asian grind fest pretty sure subs gonna follow and fall ...

Man it feels like NCSoft has taken over Acti-Blizz!

The fact that a player can be better geared than a mythic raider simply by doing nothing but mythic + dungeons is not a good system in my eyes.

I seem to remember an expansion ago that people complained there was nothing to do.

Man, it's impossible to please people.

I honestly feel like they swung too hard the other way. If you're not running Mythic + for that Titanforged trinket, or coining Nightbane for that relic you desperately need, or doing LFR for a legendary chance, you feel like you're falling behind. There's hardly a point anymore where you feel satisfied with your progression, because you could always be gaining a little bit more of an advantage if you just run a +12 Maw just one more time.

[Granyala]

You say that, but random rewards are absolutely core to retaining users in a diku-clone MMO via skinner box operant conditioning. Human brains are wired to find them addictive.

Guess my brain must be broken then, because the whole RNG shabang does nothing except make things feel frustrating and unrewarding.