[WINDWALKER] 7.X Discussion thread

[Juliansfist]

Yes some really big hits or maybe damage types don't seem to auto trigger HE

[Staplecrab]

RJW is being nerfed, will apply 4 stacks of Mark of the Crane instead of 5. Seems like a strange choice given what a juggernaut Hit Combo is on the same row. Was it destroying dungeons or something? I didn't really give it a fair go.

[Ryanite]

RJW is being nerfed, will apply 4 stacks of Mark of the Crane instead of 5. Seems like a strange choice given what a juggernaut Hit Combo is on the same row. Was is destroying dungeons or something? I didn't really give it a fair go.

From what I'd read the balance between the talents was fairly good. What's it looking like now?

[Deleted]

RJW is being nerfed, will apply 4 stacks of Mark of the Crane instead of 5. Seems like a strange choice given what a juggernaut Hit Combo is on the same row. Was is destroying dungeons or something? I didn't really give it a fair go.

It was pretty ridiculous with serenity, on first pull in mos a single tick of sck did 1,3mil as Max crit dmg. With mark of the crane stacks of 20+ using rjw ( halleluja för teeming)

[Juliansfist]

Is anyone else really disappointed with the legendary cloak? Feels like it's damage potential has decreased by about a third on top of survivability loss.

[Razios]

For me its like it potential has increased (dps wise) for most bosses. You need to take 1,5kk dmg instead of 6kk so its much easier to get full of it

[Deleted]

RJW is being nerfed, will apply 4 stacks of Mark of the Crane instead of 5. Seems like a strange choice given what a juggernaut Hit Combo is on the same row. Was it destroying dungeons or something? I didn't really give it a fair go.

Will be curious to see how this nerf - along with the buff to KJ's - impacts choices. I suspect that it won't change much (other than KJ's getting buffed pushing it higher on all fights), but we'll see.

[Deleted]

5% haste seems to be a sweet spot.

I simmed myself with the newest nightly build and the best setup I could find sims me at 521k dps, standard patchwerk settings and 881 equipped. Have 891 in the bags but it is almost all useless due to haste.

( Pawn: v1: "Amrae": Agility=15.99, Stamina=0.55, Ap=15.30, CritRating=9.66, HasteRating=2.35, MasteryRating=10.65, Versatility=9.72, Dps=2.95 )

monk="xxxx"
level=110
race=blood_elf
region=eu
server=xxxx
role=
professions=alchemy=793/engineering=800
talents=3233132
spec=windwalker
artifact=50:0:0:0:0:800:3:801:3:820:3:821:3:822:3:824:3:825:3:826:1:827:1:828:1:829:3:830: 1:831:1:832:1:833:1:1094:3:1341:1:1376:7

head=,id=134240,bonus_id=3418/1542/3337
neck=,id=141473,enchant_id=5890,bonus_id=1808/1472,gem_id=130222
shoulder=,id=139958,enchant_id=5899,bonus_id=3492
back=,id=142412,enchant_id=5435,bonus_id=3468/1497/3336
chest=,id=142203,bonus_id=3454/1472
shirt=,id=4344
wrist=,id=137097,bonus_id=1811
hands=,id=134239,bonus_id=3417/1808/43/1522/1813,gem_id=130221
waist=,id=142145,bonus_id=42/3453/1497/3337
legs=,id=142418,bonus_id=3506/1482
feet=,id=137029,bonus_id=1811/3458
finger1=,id=133637,enchant_id=5430,bonus_id=3416/1808/1522/3336,gem_id=130221
finger2=,id=134526,enchant_id=5429,bonus_id=3415/1522/3337
trinket1=,id=142166,bonus_id=3454/1472
trinket2=,id=142167,bonus_id=3453/1477/3336
main_hand=,id=128940,bonus_id=734,relic_id=3415:1527:3337/3454:1477:3336/3432:1552:3337,gem_id=137313/143529/141258/0
off_hand=,id=133948,relic_id=0/0,gem_id=0/0/0/0

March of the Legion and Hidden Master Gloves are very close to simming as a dps loss compared to lower epic options. DHC and Katsuos on the other hand are significant dps increases of 35-50k dps compared to March of the Legion or Hidden Master Gloves.

Energizing Elixirs simmed at a dps loss no matter what as I expected. I assume it is because of Katsuos, EE will simply overcap on Chi.

[Deleted]

5% haste seems to be a sweet spot.

I simmed myself with the newest nightly build and the best setup I could find sims me at 521k dps, standard patchwerk settings and 881 equipped. Have 891 in the bags but it is almost all useless due to haste.

( Pawn: v1: "Amrae": Agility=15.99, Stamina=0.55, Ap=15.30, CritRating=9.66, HasteRating=2.35, MasteryRating=10.65, Versatility=9.72, Dps=2.95 )

Energizing Elixirs simmed at a dps loss no matter what as I expected. I assume it is because of Katsuos, EE will simply overcap on Chi.

Interesting. having just updated SimCraft with a nightly build (there doesn't seem to be a proper release yet), I'm wondering how heavy you already are on haste. Sure, my ilev is lower than yours (873 equipped, with a few higher ilev trinks I'm not using), but for me haste is reasonable compared to other stats, and the rule of ilev being almost always better works for me.

( Pawn: v1: "Penne": Agility=14.24, CritRating=8.79, HasteRating=7.80, MasteryRating=9.30, Versatility=8.35 )

Kind of surprised EE isn't a DPS gain due to extra burst Chi for SEF. Hoping for KJ's as my next legendary, then the boots (got gloves/bracers/belt/Sephuz, so can't complain about what I have - three good ones, one meh-bad). I presume EE is the goto for AoE anyway, due to SCKs as dumps.

[Deleted]

So are wrists or boots BIS legendaries atm? if you wear wrists whats the BIS legendary to pair with it?

[snegro]

Boots.

I see the argument all the time that boots aren't BiS with wrists because of the way they work but that's a silly argument. You can just spend that chi before you cast FoF and if you don't have the chi to cast it then you're just wasting the same amount of time building that chi, or worse if waiting for energy. Even more relevant with 2PC when RSK is so readily available.

[Deleted]

So are wrists or boots BIS legendaries atm? if you wear wrists whats the BIS legendary to pair with it?

For ST, Bracers and Cini.
2-4 targets: Bracers+KJ
5+ targets: Serenity, RJW, Boots and KJ's.

Going by Babylonius's sims. Boots are a close third on ST.

Snegro - Clearly boots/bracer interaction is minimal, owing to the issue being chi gen, not chi dumping. It may push you away from EE due to overcapping, which antisynergizes with the bracers, slightly (above poster claims EE sims lower than PS with boots), and is probably not an issue with 2pc.

[Deleted]

Have to run with wrist and waist since the only other legendary i have is cloak. What talents are ppl running for M+ since the patch for most deeps? i found that xeun does serious work on bosses in m+

[Ampere]

Are there any fights where people see Hidden Master's Forbidden Touch being worth using in Nighthold? I just can't get over how bad these gloves are. They seemed really good initially before I realized you couldn't double ToD the same target.

I generally use March of the Legion for the raid utility and Cinidaria as my other. Also have Prydaz and Sephuz.

[Deleted]

Have to run with wrist and waist since the only other legendary i have is cloak. What talents are ppl running for M+ since the patch for most deeps? i found that xeun does serious work on bosses in m+

Because of trash in M+, I'm running with HC currently. Not had any issues with the bosses - pretty sure xuen is a DPS loss compared to the others, taken across the entire instance. As for RJW, it depends. BRH? RJW+Ser all the way. HoV? Many more 3 mob pulls, so usually HC.

Are there any fights where people see Hidden Master's Forbidden Touch being worth using in Nighthold? I just can't get over how bad these gloves are. They seemed really good initially before I realized you couldn't double ToD the same target.

I generally use March of the Legion for the raid utility and Cinidaria as my other. Also have Prydaz and Sephuz.

HMFT sucks. Similar opwer level, even on 2+ T, as Sephuz without the buff and Prydaz.

[Beingbob]

How is the chest looking? Haven't heard of anyone getting it yet.

[spotify]

If you have DHC you should sim that higher ilvl haste gear.

[Deleted]

How is the chest looking? Haven't heard of anyone getting it yet.

Obligatory link to Babylonius's sims here - http://www.walkingthewind.com/wp-con...daries-1T.html

Not bad for ST, but gets progressively worse with more targets, as it doesn't scale up.

[Beingbob]

That's kinda depressing tbh. Is there another class where Cinidaria is BiS?

[Deleted]

That's kinda depressing tbh. Is there another class where Cinidaria is BiS?

For DHs, I found a guide that claims others are better. No top ferals seem to use Cini, from a look at WCL; some of the top balance logs use it, but the balance legs are everywhere. Ass rogues, and a few sub rogues, seem to use it.