Intel: Russia has Compromising info on Trump.

[Crispin]

Zero evidence = doesn't need to be debunked

its like saying Donald Trump is a lizard person

unless you are completely retarded and base your reasoning off zero evidence and let your bias control who you are as a person and are pathetically weak and hold the truth in low regard

you do not need "evidence" to prove there are no lizzard people in the goverment

if information comes to light real information that points to there being lizzard people in the goverment "evidence" then you may change your mind at that point but to base it on NOTHING i pitty people like that

do you want to be like Alex Jones? do you really want the same standards as him

Lizzard people wtf? lol

This is pretty damn new "news". Just like in a court of law, evidence can take time to gather. They've got a report that may be false, but not checking wether it is would be retarded, which I'm sure you agree on.

[Orbitus]

Then it isnt worth the paper its printed on.

Prove it or retract it.

They don't have to retract it. At least until there is intel to disprove it. They already said that it is unproven, that doesn't mean they are wrong. Being as how the agent that released the information is now basically in hiding, it has more credibility than just labeling it a conspiracy and moving on. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-raising-stuff

[zorkuus]

Then it isnt worth the paper its printed on.

Prove it or retract it.

We're not in a court.
If media aren't allowed to report things they can't prove to be 100% true on the spot then we might aswell shutdown media all together.

[Rafoel]

We're not in a court.
If media aren't allowed to report things they can't prove to be 100% true on the spot then we might aswell shutdown media all together.

Media shouldn't be allowed to report things that aren't based on any evidence whatsoever though.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

We will see the evidence when Putin realizes this whole mess will turn on him. Even though he wanted Trump to win and did whatever he could to make Trump win that once a megalomaniac wins they aren't the type to be controlled or return favors. I give it a year until whatever they got is all over the internet, news, and one of the greatest nation embarrassments (Trumps election) of all time will get magnified.

[zorkuus]

Media shouldn't be allowed to report things that aren't based on any evidence whatsoever though.

That's not what this is about. Media are reporting on documents being presented to Obama and Trump. Both camps acknowledge the documents exist (whether or not their contents are true). Is that off limits too?

[Bullettime]

Interesting if true.

Would confirm the source of the story going back months when it first popped up, being mentioned by those like Evan McMullin who used it as part of his campaign against Trump in Utah and some journalists who noted it from their sources. It's also backed up a bit with the FBI cabal bit as that was leaked from the FBI towards the end of the election, noting the FBI being in a civil war over Trump/Clinton and the handling of information they had against both parties.

edit: It also drops a lot of names, including the effect of Steele's reports on UK politics.

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Another interesting note with that is the claim that Trump's Republican opponents hired Steele first during the primaries to dig on him, meaning there are Republican congressmen that would have known about this months in advance. Steele's services were just retained by Democrat focused groups after Trump won the primary and Republicans dropped it to give their support to their party.

So the smarmy bastards would have known about this, sat on the info, and still gave Trump their support because party > country.

[Aehl]

We're not in a court.

Court of public opinion?

If media aren't allowed to report things they can't prove to be 100% true on the spot then we might aswell shutdown media all together.

More like we dont need a repeat of Dan Rather's massive failure that led to his sacking. Remember that? The Killian memos? Fake documents that NBC ran with....even though they knew they were fakes?

It's crap. Unproven. Garbage that was never checked or confirmed, no proof, no evidence, no facts...sound familiar?

[LaserSharkDFB]

Court of public opinion?



More like we dont need a repeat of Dan Rather's massive failure that led to his sacking. Remember that? The Killian memos? Fake documents that NBC ran with....even though they knew they were fakes?

It's crap. Unproven. Garbage that was never checked or confirmed, no proof, no evidence, no facts...sound familiar?

It's true that there is a dossier collected by Christopher Steele which has been circulating for six months, that allege Russia having some serious dirt on Trump. Whether or not those allegations are true has not been confirmed, and cannot be confirmed by the media, but it is true that intelligence agencies are investigating them. They consider Steele and his sources credible, though the allegations are extraordinary.

It's true that a memo was prepared for Obama and Trump about allegations of possible Russian influence on Trump, and it appears that this dossier was part, though possibly not all, of the evidence that the memo was based on. Biden has confirmed that he and Obama were briefed on that memo, but it is less clear what happened at Trump's briefing on the subject.

CNN reported on the briefing, which actually happened. Not fake news. Buzzfeed released the dossier, correctly claiming it had not been fully verified yet. Not fake news, but irresponsible.

All of this is true. None of this has been 'debunked'. Also, holy fuck, guys, 'debunked' means 'proven to be false.' It doesn't mean 'not yet proven true.' People are being so damn childish about this when they should be massively concerned about a major foreign power possibly having a hold on our next President. Go ahead, tell me that if anything one tenth as credible had happened to Obama eight years ago, you wouldn't have been screaming for his head.

[Vyxn]

Hasn't all this been debunked as fake news?

But loving that yet another attempt to delegitimize Trump has instead further delegitimized the leftist media. Keep it up CNN! I heard he might actually be an alien (a Nazi alien who likes scat porn).

Of coarse it has all been debunked that has been proven in the first 10 pages of this thread but liberal cant let go of their narrative no matter how fake and false it is
the narrative that Trumps win is illegitimate because if they expect Trumps win then they would have to except their agenda their philosophy has been rejected

[Belize]

What's this I see about CSpan broadcasting RT for 10 minutes?

[Vyxn]

Interesting if true.

Would confirm the source of the story going back months when it first popped up, being mentioned by those like Evan McMullin who used it as part of his campaign against Trump in Utah and some journalists who noted it from their sources. It's also backed up a bit with the FBI cabal bit as that was leaked from the FBI towards the end of the election, noting the FBI being in a civil war over Trump/Clinton and the handling of information they had against both parties.

edit: It also drops a lot of names, including the effect of Steele's reports on UK politics.

- - - Updated - - -

Another interesting note with that is the claim that Trump's Republican opponents hired Steele first during the primaries to dig on him, meaning there are Republican congressmen that would have known about this months in advance. Steele's services were just retained by Democrat focused groups after Trump won the primary and Republicans dropped it to give their support to their party.

So the smarmy bastards would have known about this, sat on the info, and still gave Trump their support because party > country.

they sat on it because none of it could be verified the media didn't run with it because it couldn't be verified

[Bullettime]

What's this I see about CSpan broadcasting RT for 10 minutes?

Yeah that day had all kinds of wonky things going on. C-Span's feed cut to RT for 10 minutes (was blamed on a routing issue,?) odd glitches in their feed and a couple others for hours, and the hearing room for Pompeo's CIA position had the power cut as soon as Russia was mentioned and almost cancelled the hearing for the day.

Tin foily hatty sure but still odd.

[Vyxn]

Lizzard people wtf? lol

This is pretty damn new "news". Just like in a court of law, evidence can take time to gather. They've got a report that may be false, but not checking wether it is would be retarded, which I'm sure you agree on.

which has already been done and the conclusion was it was all disinformation and the only reason they brought it to the Trump intel briefing was to give Trump an example of disinformation

[Belize]

which has already been done and the conclusion was it was all disinformation and the only reason they brought it to the Trump intel briefing was to give Trump an example of disinformation

Whew, where'd you pull that last sentence from.
Source please, gotta keep you up to the standards you inpose on others.

[Bullettime]

Whew, where'd you pull that last sentence from.
Source please, gotta keep you up to the standards you inpose on others.

Nah the intelligence agencies are just uber friendly with Trump and they just cracked open some beers and bashed liberals for a few hours over fake news.

It's like they don't understand what comes out of their own ignorant mouth.

The reports, despite still being unsubstantiated, are getting more and more credibility by the day. Now this has become an international hunt by our intelligence agencies, our congress, and even by our allies. Trump HAS to be briefed on them since he's the president elect and it has to do with the security of the country, even if he's the target in the middle.

[LaserSharkDFB]

which has already been done and the conclusion was it was all disinformation and the only reason they brought it to the Trump intel briefing was to give Trump an example of disinformation

The two-page synopsis -- appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 US election campaign -- was based on 35 pages of memos prepared by a former British intelligence operative working initially for Republican opponents of Trump, gathering opposition research about him during the presidential campaign, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings told CNN.

Clapper said in his statement that the synopsis was included in the briefing because "part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security."

"The [intelligence community] has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions," Clapper noted.

"Has not made any judgement" means they haven't decided yet whether or not the allegations are true. Try again?

(There is apparently a quote out by an unnamed 'senior official' who mentions the disinformation thing. However, since he has since been contradicted by the Director of National Intelligence, that claim is no longer reliable.)

[Vyxn]

Whew, where'd you pull that last sentence from.
Source please, gotta keep you up to the standards you inpose on others.

"Has not made any judgement" means they haven't decided yet whether or not the allegations are true. Try again?

(There is apparently a quote out by an unnamed 'senior official' who mentions the disinformation thing. However, since he has since been contradicted by the Director of National Intelligence, that claim is no longer reliable.)

"Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period," the senior official said.
According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tr...alings-n705586

[LaserSharkDFB]

"Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period," the senior official said.
According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tr...alings-n705586

And this guy was contradicted by Clapper. Which means that claim is no longer reliable. Which I put in the post you are fucking quoting. See, I anticipated you and proved you wrong before you said it. You walked right into my trap. Which was surrounded by neon lights reading 'THIS IS A TRAP'.

[Bullettime]

And this guy was contradicted by Clapper. Which means that claim is no longer reliable. Which I put in the post you are fucking quoting. See, I anticipated you and proved you wrong before you said it. You walked right into my trap. Which was surrounded by neon lights reading 'THIS IS A TRAP'.

Clapper AND the FBI.