Four Horsemen - Opportunity Missed?

[Zandalariprelate]

Darion Morgraine really was a weak choice for being one of the Four Horsemen when it comes to the "surprise me" moment. What I mean with this is that, even by default, he could've been a champion of the order anyway; the Deathlord's right hand or whatever. I mean, if you can resurrect a dead DK, then they might aswell have raised Arthas.

Abbendis would've been a better choice than Whitemane. Thoras is a great pick in my opinion(except for the "failed as a father and as a king" part, which didn't make much sense). I'd prefer a high elf instead of Nazgrim and another one instead of Darion.

Abbendis had being decapitated and maybe her corpse burned, also even in undeath she would fight against the undead rather than the legion(a similar situation with lilian voss) also I am glad we have something unique instead of some other elve or alliance race in the four horsemen, we have the fucking general nazgrim a complete loyalty and warmonger orc

[Magnagarde]

Abbendis had being decapitated and maybe her corpse burned, also even in undeath she would fight against the undead rather than the legion(a similar situation with lilian voss) also I am glad we have something unique instead of some other elve or alliance race in the four horsemen, we have the fucking general nazgrim a complete loyalty and warmonger orc

That's what the guy tried to argue against. He was brought in to appease the Horde, although that could've been done through some elves too.

[Highwhale]

What about Nazgrim. He seems to be about war.

Naz is famine.

Or maybe Thoras? He wears red armor.

Red armor? Are you sure we play same game? Thorase wear blue ICC DK set. And he is Conquest.

Maybe Whitemane? Oh wait, she is no different from a generic death knight.

Sally is death.

Also, the statement about lack of knowledge is rich coming from you.

I'm not the one who ask. You is.

[Verdugo]

Naz is famine.



Red armor? Are you sure we play same game? Thorase wear blue ICC DK set. And he is Conquest.



Sally is death.



I'm not the one who ask. You is.

Presumably;

Conquest - Whitemane
War - Nazgrim
Famine - Trollbane
Death - Mograine

Please, make up your mind! You can understand how am I getting confused here.

[Matt0193]

Please, make up your mind! You can understand how am I getting confused here.

Mine was based on the interpretation of each of the Horseman in religion, moreso than pop culture. You could interpret them differently based on which source you decide to base the Horsemen off.

Conquest/Pestilence/White is shown to be both righteous and evil, which sums Whitemane up to a T. She could also fit into Famine easily and War to an extent.

War/Red is shown to be the bringer of war, where men would slay one another. Nazgrim is shown repeatedly in the quests to be dominating groups of enemies and revelling in combat. He is also the most militaristic of the Horsemen, which

Famine/Black is shown to define impartial equality. Thoras was a just leader, out of all of them he's the one who could fit in most as both Conquest and War.

Death/Pale is usually shown to be the leader, which is why you originally go for Tirion. Darion replaces Tirion, by default he's the leader of the Horsemen, just as Rivendare and Alexandros Mograine were before him. On top of that, he's the one who literally has had Death follow him (The Lich King in his mind when he was part of the Scourge and now the player as the Deathlord commanding him) the entire time, which draws similarities to Hades following Death.

It should be noted that the mounts they're on in the Order Hall are as follows:

White - Whitemane
Red - Darion
Green - Trollbane
Grey (Maybe Pale?) - Nazgrim

That's very different from my interpretation based on the colours alone.

[Lillyth]

Um Thoras Trollbane was a founding member to the Alliance, how is that less iconic then Admiral Taylor?

Lore scrubs will be lore scrubs. Always the loud minority that knows nothing and only knows how to yell and flail loudly.

[mickybrighteyes]

Wait, I thought Mograine, the elder, was the horseman of War. Evidence being the red color scheme and the big ass sword that the horseman of war is often depicted with.

edit:

also Trollbane is arguably less iconic than Admiral Taylor... in WoW cause Thoras hasn't really been present prior to Legion except as a name drop? while the Admiral had a nice collection of quests in recent expansions.

[Cl4nK]

Please, make up your mind! You can understand how am I getting confused here.

Well, unless any of the posters provide source, it doesn't really matter. The original 4 Horsemen from Naxx were easier to aknowledge because they were literally colored/insipired after the Bible's horsemen.

The new ones wear the same armor and the same color. Kinda hard to specify which one is which.

If you look at the conversation for instance, both Sally and Nazgrim are the 2 most angry ones, and they're the only ones who speak directly about fighting and killing in a really pissed off way.

A little update on my part:

Mine was based on the interpretation of each of the Horseman in religion, moreso than pop culture. You could interpret them differently based on which source you decide to base the Horsemen off.

I do see your point, but I don't think it's exactly on point, if we look how the Original 4 Horsemen from Naxx and later on Rivendare were formed.

Conquest/Pestilence/White is shown to be both righteous and evil, which sums Whitemane up to a T. She could also fit into Famine easily and War to an extent.

The white horse was Sir Zeliek, literally the most benevolent and "uncorrupted" of the 4 Horsemen, completely opposed to Whitemane, save for both being "followers" of the Light.

War/Red is shown to be the bringer of war, where men would slay one another. Nazgrim is shown repeatedly in the quests to be dominating groups of enemies and revelling in combat. He is also the most militaristic of the Horsemen, which

True, however, it was Mograine/Rivendare that were Red/War, and they were the Leader of the 4 Horsemen in both variations of the 4 Horsemen.

Death/Pale is usually shown to be the leader, which is why you originally go for Tirion. Darion replaces Tirion, by default he's the leader of the Horsemen, just as Rivendare and Alexandros Mograine were before him. On top of that, he's the one who literally has had Death follow him (The Lich King in his mind when he was part of the Scourge and now the player as the Deathlord commanding him) the entire time, which draws similarities to Hades following Death.

True that, but in WoW, it was War who was the leader of the 4 Horsemen, from Vanilla to WotLK. Both Rivendare and Mograine were War. Which would make sense considering his son is the leader, rides the same mount and what not.

It should be noted that the mounts they're on in the Order Hall are as follows:

White - Whitemane
Red - Darion
Green - Trollbane
Grey (Maybe Pale?) - Nazgrim

That's very different from my interpretation based on the colours alone.

Yeah, I'd go for the color rather than their inclination.

[Highwhale]

Sorry i made mistake myself :P (Whitemane/Trollbane)

Look at their horses and at old Four Horsemens (From Vanilla Naxx).

Red Horse - Alexandros Mograine - Leader and Rider of War - Darion

White Horse - Zeliek - White Rider of Conquest - Whitemane

Black Horse - Blaumeux - Dark Rider of Famine - Nazgrim

Green Horse - Thane Korth'azz - Pale Rider of Death - Trollbane

So its looks like Darion - War / Whitemane - Conquest / Nazgrim - Famine / Trollbane - Death

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Four_Horsemen_%28original%29

No one doubts what Darion replace his father in new 4H thingy right? Right. If you do i will remind you they have same surname and both wielded corrupted Ashbringer.

Zeliek and Whitemane both have strong connection with light.

Blaumeux and Nazgrim - both showed us their maniac/sadistic against their enemies. Remember Blaumeux quote - I do hope they stay alive long enough for me to... introduce myself? Yeah same with Naz and his max Asphyxiate.

Thane and Trollbane - both have rude and warriorish attitude. Remember Trollbane reaction to Alterac's betrayal and Thane's quote - I heard about enough of yer sniveling. Shut yer fly trap 'afore I shut it for ye!

PS Hope it makes clear.

[Zandalariprelate]

That's what the guy tried to argue against. He was brought in to appease the Horde, although that could've been done through some elves too.

Well we have many nigh elf characters in this expansion and another one in the horsemen would be pointless, same with blood elf with koltira and baron silver hanging around again, the only race with lack of a important represent in the ebon blade are the darkspear trolls and dwarf

[Deleted]

That's what the guy tried to argue against. He was brought in to appease the Horde, although that could've been done through some elves too.

I believe that that it is a nod to the importance of Nazgrim as a character in the hearts of Horde fans, so I will take the acknowledgment. He had a perfect ending in my opinion, but I am not too salty about turning him undead.

Lore scrubs will be lore scrubs. Always the loud minority that knows nothing and only knows how to yell and flail loudly.

The majority in this topic are saying that they want him to replace Darion, not Thoras.

Hell, I said Trollbane personally where I actually meant Mograine, but I didn't edit it out a day later after I found out because the rest of my posts speak of my actual opinion. If you follow the rest of my posts, that would make sense. I believe Trollbane is one of the better choices.


edit - I definitely would have wanted to see Taylor as one. That didn't change.

[Rafoel]

Nazgrim fought at your side for years, and died serving Garrosh at your hand. Rising him as the Horseman, giving him opporunity to right the wrongs, was epic.
Trollbane was legend of the past, you could feel it while going through the ruins of Trollbane Keep, also revisiting the area you quested in so many years ago. Also good choice.
Whitemane was kind of weird and bit underwhelming, though reaction of former Scarlet Crusader being transformed into Death Knight was kind of intriguing. Still, I just thought they are saving the epicness for last Horseman...
Which I thought would be Tirion. An appropriately epic ending of class hall campaign (and strongest paladins make strongest death knights, its known). And his death would become a plot point, not just erasing the character that didn't appear in single quest since WotLK. Realising it won't be Tirion, but Mograine, was like the biggest reverse-hype moment I ever had in WoW. I was like - what... the guy that already served me since the beginning of the campaign... just gets the Horseman title, and that's it?

Seriously, if I knew that from the beginning the whole class hall campaign would seem dull.

[Mehrunes]

Other than whining about Sylvanas as per usual (of course it had to be shoehorned somewhere), I weirdly agree with most of what Krazy said on first page. The choices could have been better and even though people like Thoras may have had political significance, they suffer from severe lack of exposure to people consuming the story and as such aren't as significant as characters.

Most dissapointing thing about them is the blandness. They have barely any personality and no specialisation. Someone tell me which horseman is supposed to represent war for example.

Forget which is which. It isn't even specified if WoW used Death, Famine, War and Conquest or Death, Famine, War and Pestilence (or something else entirely).

Also, the statement about lack of knowledge is rich coming from you.

Best part of Highwhale's post (especially if they also pull stuff out of their ass just like they did).

A dwarf being a knight still makes a lot more sense than having an orc be a knight. After all they've been in close contact with the humans and high elves. Having been incorporated into the Alliance of Lordaeron, there is no reason to think that a dwarf couldn't become a knight. Then again, we've also got Teron Gorefiend who was the first DK ever(orc spirit in a human body).

I however also understand the sentiment behind his reply and opinion; when I think of a DK, I think of a former member of the Alliance of Lordaeron that fell prey to the Scourge(human, dwarf or high elf), but all of that changed with WotLK I guess.

Scourge made these races into DKs at first only because of circumstances of their conquest. Other than that, humans or Dwarves don't make for better DKs than Orcs and Trolls and as observed later Scourge has completely utilitarian attitude about it. So the sentiment behind their reply and opinion is nothing more than nostalgia. And when one tries to apply this nostalgia to current lore, it's nostalgia that runs contrary to the lore and asking the Ebon Blade to be different than what they actually are (i.e. some human fanatics).

[Deleted]

If we attach them to the four horsemen of the apocalypse then i think:
Conquest - General Nazgrim
War - Warrior king Thoras Trollbane
These two could swap places since war and conquest are quite similar.

Death - Death knight Darion Mograine
Famine - High Inquisitor Sally whiteman... just because?
These two could also swap places since Sally refuses to die

[Magnagarde]

I believe that that it is a nod to the importance of Nazgrim as a character in the hearts of Horde fans, so I will take the acknowledgment. He had a perfect ending in my opinion, but I am not too salty about turning him undead.

In addition to that, I don't see any scenario in which the orcs wouldn't be infuriated by one of their kin being revived into an undead and nothing less than one that will lowkey fly the banner of the Scourge(Lich King > Deathlord > Four Horsemen). I guess they've gotten used to having undeath around them - especially now with the new warchief - but then again, the orcs not going ham over such sacrilege is puzzling to me.

Humans and high elves have gotten used to falling prey to undeath, but orcs surely have not; at least not to the extent the humans and elves have. Most of their death knights originate from the campaign in Northrend and they became death knights fighting the Scourge. Nazgrim's case was a fine piece of sacrilege and I don't see orcs being forgiving about this.

[Shortsy]

I thought it was pretty obvious which horseman was supposed to be which.

Nazgrim is one of the strongest and most loyal warriors the Horde has ever known. His prowess on the battlefield lead him to be promoted from Sergeant to Legionnaire to General in a just a few short years. He died in service of the Horde with honor, and now as a death knight he incites chaos into his enemies and war-songs to his allies. His place as War in my opinion is indisputable.

The Warrior-King Trollbane was one of the founders of the original Alliance and led several successful battles against the trolls of Arathi Highlands. His leadership and tactical-ingeniousness lead to the crippling and decimation of the remaining forest trolls of the Eastern Kingdoms and the defeat of the Horde during the Second War. He's easily the most battle-hardened of the four, and his tactical prowess is unmatched. He's definitely Conquest.

High Inquisitor Whitemane, who killed her family after they succumbed to the undead plague, let her fanaticism for the destruction of the undead lead to her demise. After her reanimation, the idea of the Legion (the ones who created the plague of undeath in the first place) conquering Azeroth enraged her. She wishes to deprive the Legion of their wish, paving the ground she walks on with their corpses. Her fanatical and unrelenting dedication to the Light makes her a unique creature, similar to Sir Zeliek who was depicted as Conquest in the previous Four Horsemen, but her tenacity to the sorrow, decimation and obliteration of the Legion tells me she'd make a much better Famine.

Highlord Darion Mograine commanded the Death Knights of Acherus as the Lich King's hand and voice, and after the Second Battle of Light's Hope, led the Ebon Blade on a continous road of successful campaigns against the Lich King in Northrend. His strength in the unholy is matched only by the Deathlord and the Lich King himself. Where he tred, death followed (zing!). His successful leadership of the Ebon Blade and his command of shadow magic makes him a perfect Death.

I enjoy the lore about them, and I don't personally think they were horrible choices. What do you guys think?

[Zandalariprelate]

I thought it was pretty obvious which horseman was supposed to be which.

Nazgrim is one of the strongest and most loyal warriors the Horde has ever known. His prowess on the battlefield lead him to be promoted from Sergeant to Legionnaire to General in a just a few short years. He died in service of the Horde with honor, and now as a death knight he incites chaos into his enemies and war-songs to his allies. His place as War in my opinion is indisputable.

The Warrior-King Trollbane was one of the founders of the original Alliance and led several successful battles against the trolls of Arathi Highlands. His leadership and tactical-ingeniousness lead to the crippling and decimation of the remaining forest trolls of the Eastern Kingdoms and the defeat of the Horde during the Second War. He's easily the most battle-hardened of the four, and his tactical prowess is unmatched. He's definitely Conquest.

High Inquisitor Whitemane, who killed her family after they succumbed to the undead plague, let her fanaticism for the destruction of the undead lead to her demise. After her reanimation, the idea of the Legion (the ones who created the plague of undeath in the first place) conquering Azeroth enraged her. She wishes to deprive the Legion of their wish, paving the ground she walks on with their corpses. Her fanatical and unrelenting dedication to the Light makes her a unique creature, similar to Sir Zeliek who was depicted as Conquest in the previous Four Horsemen, but her tenacity to the sorrow, decimation and obliteration of the Legion tells me she'd make a much better Famine.

Highlord Darion Mograine commanded the Death Knights of Acherus as the Lich King's hand and voice, and after the Second Battle of Light's Hope, led the Ebon Blade on a continous road of successful campaigns against the Lich King in Northrend. His strength in the unholy is matched only by the Deathlord and the Lich King himself. Where he tred, death followed (zing!). His successful leadership of the Ebon Blade and his command of shadow magic makes him a perfect Death.

I enjoy the lore about them, and I don't personally think they were horrible choices. What do you guys think?

The same as you, a good cast for the four horsemen

[Highwhale]

Look at their horses and at old Four Horsemens (From Vanilla Naxx).

So its looks like Darion - War / Whitemane - Conquest / Nazgrim - Famine / Trollbane - Death

Stop please...

[Evangeliste]

Wait, I thought Mograine, the elder, was the horseman of War. Evidence being the red color scheme and the big ass sword that the horseman of war is often depicted with.

edit:

also Trollbane is arguably less iconic than Admiral Taylor... in WoW cause Thoras hasn't really been present prior to Legion except as a name drop? while the Admiral had a nice collection of quests in recent expansions.

If it wasn't for Trollbane then Admiral Taylor wouldn't have his position later in history in the Alliance to make a name for himself which you're hollering about. Just saying. They'd have to physically resurrect him to do so. Oh hm, I think they have. Just one's now a ghost to be present and useful meanwhile the other is now a horsemen.

Also to add Trollbane was in the original Warcraft RTS. Admiral Taylor appeared in Cataclysm. So yeah.... Without Warcraft there wouldn't be much of World of Warcraft.

[Eazy]

Some options are hilarious, what about:
Ysera, Arthas, Lothar and Ner'zhul?