Is Odyn the key to N'Zoth?

[Lastlivingsoul]

N'Zoth could be especially tricky Old God as far as going forth and corrupting both sides so whichever side wins, N'Zoth still wins. Odyn is corrupted by some fault of pride or arrogance that Xal alludes to and Helya is corrupted through her hate of Odyn. Perhaps some of Odyn's corruption was revealed to her intentionally in order to make her fight him and create an opening for her corruption while allowing her to believe that she is in fact a misunderstood hero.

That leads to her cult being close to the truth yet so far. She leads a cult that has a sense of Odyn's corruption but doesnt realize how far and deep it has spread and doesnt realize its infected them as well.

"Every little death helps" That is a whisper that actually might back this idea that Helya's corruption/rebellion might not have been as evil as we may have believed.

The Void Lords need souls to power their crossing into our world. If you think of it Undeath kinda prevents that from happening. Instead of spiraling into the void they just can't die "officially." That is they cannot power the void. To allow a true Void Lord into Azeroth you need to toss a huge amount of soul power into the mix. Helya wasn't serving her purpose ... on purpose then. Odyn can no longer traffic souls which he had no right or need to do in the first place. Who really is known for needing/devouring souls ... Old Gods.

So why would Odyn see that as a bad thing? (Puts tin foil hat on.) Because Odyn's true purpose was to gather only those he considered worthy of serving under his Divine Order and feeding the rest to the void like a trash disposal. Helya knows that once she's gone all of these unlucky unworthy souls won't make it back to the Halls of Valor will go straight to N'Zoth's belly makes a deal with Kerrigan.. I mean Sylvannas that should she fall she must guide the damned away from oblivion before Odyn has his way.

Meanwhile N'Zoth having his servants Azshara, Xavius, Cragshaper/Dargrul*, and ODYN (whispered) practically hand the 5 pillars to us. He simply waits for Gul'dan's inevitable fall after Nighthold to bring them all together. Then all of the souls Odyn has gathered can be poured to the void and the way to N'yhthola can be opened.

You may ask why all the Odyn hate? Well it has to do with the fatal response to "Odyn was a great enemy... until his own arrogance proved his undoing. You should ask him if he's considered Loken's final words to him. Go ahead. " Considering that Loken who later fell victim to Yogg Saron's whispers also released and suggested to Helya banishing Odyn to the Halls of Valor all it may have took for Loken to lose faith in Odyn or visa versa was a simple question.

"Have you heard the whispers?"


*Xal'atath whispers: Though he is not one of our servants, he has heard our whispers. They darkened him forever. (at Ularogg Cragshaper)
*Xal'atath whispers: A beast of stone who ignorantly throws around power he barely controls. He should be put down before he ruins our plans. (at Dargrul)

[Vercigentorix]

"Every little death helps" That is a whisper that actually might back this idea that Helya's corruption/rebellion might not have been as evil as we may have believed.

The Void Lords need souls to power their crossing into our world. If you think of it Undeath kinda prevents that from happening. Instead of spiraling into the void they just can't die "officially." That is they cannot power the void. To allow a true Void Lord into Azeroth you need to toss a huge amount of soul power into the mix. Helya wasn't serving her purpose ... on purpose then. Odyn can no longer traffic souls which he had no right or need to do in the first place. Who really is known for needing/devouring souls ... Old Gods.

So why would Odyn see that as a bad thing? (Puts tin foil hat on.) Because Odyn's true purpose was to gather only those he considered worthy of serving under his Divine Order and feeding the rest to the void like a trash disposal. Helya knows that once she's gone all of these unlucky unworthy souls won't make it back to the Halls of Valor will go straight to N'Zoth's belly makes a deal with Kerrigan.. I mean Sylvannas that should she fall she must guide the damned away from oblivion before Odyn has his way.

Meanwhile N'Zoth having his servants Azshara, Xavius, Cragshaper/Dargrul*, and ODYN (whispered) practically hand the 5 pillars to us. He simply waits for Gul'dan's inevitable fall after Nighthold to bring them all together. Then all of the souls Odyn has gathered can be poured to the void and the way to N'yhthola can be opened.

You may ask why all the Odyn hate? Well it has to do with the fatal response to "Odyn was a great enemy... until his own arrogance proved his undoing. You should ask him if he's considered Loken's final words to him. Go ahead. " Considering that Loken who later fell victim to Yogg Saron's whispers also released and suggested to Helya banishing Odyn to the Halls of Valor all it may have took for Loken to lose faith in Odyn or visa versa was a simple question.

"Have you heard the whispers?"


*Xal'atath whispers: Though he is not one of our servants, he has heard our whispers. They darkened him forever. (at Ularogg Cragshaper)
*Xal'atath whispers: A beast of stone who ignorantly throws around power he barely controls. He should be put down before he ruins our plans. (at Dargrul)

Except Void Lords don't need souls to cross into the world. All they need is to consume vast amounts of energy and matter and they require more and more of it to sustain themselves. Souls could provide that energy and matter, I guess, but it does not have to expressly be souls.

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Grand Magistrix Elisande (boss before Gul'dan in Nighthold) could also be the one that dies three times since she has 3 phases in her fight where as she dies she rewinds time. She cannot turn back time on the third death and finally succumbs to her fate.

Spoiler she doesnt die she gives up :P

[evertonbelmontt]

Souls theory makes sense.

N'zoth's entrance voice line in HS is:

"I can taste the essence of your soooooulsssss." And it's one of the best to hear.

[Lastlivingsoul]

Except Void Lords don't need souls to cross into the world. All they need is to consume vast amounts of energy and matter and they require more and more of it to sustain themselves. Souls could provide that energy and matter, I guess, but it does not have to expressly be souls.

Been reading a little more into Wow Lore to back up or justify where Wow 7.2+ and beyond is heading. I found a few notes to modify but not discredit this possible outcome.

You are right, the void lords may not be involved in the plot just yet. The 5 keys were used once to seal the portal to the Legion's homeworld in the war of the Ancients. So they they aren't being used to open Old God prisons, but N'Zoth still wants us to keep the planet cleaving Sargeras out of the way. So why help us?

Xal'atath whispers: The God of the Deep writhes in his prison, breaking free ever so slowly. You should hurry and defeat the fallen titan... there are greater battles yet to fight.

In 7.2 when we see the Tomb of Sargeras it is confirmed we will face the final Titan, or at least his Avatar.. the last of N'Zoth's competition for the World Soul.


Odyn while still alive and well is still refered to as a former enemy of N'Zoth. So yes he's not using Souls or making a grandiose Void gate directly in service of the Old Gods. But his actions are not his own, they only serve to empower N'Zoth.

You may also ask yourself why Odyn had the idea to lift the Halls of Valor into the sky or pocket dimension above/apart from the surface of Azeroth and create a system of gathering only those "Loyal" to your side. It only reminds me of Ultron's reasoning behind blowing up the earth.

Wanda: “When everyone is dead?”

Ultron: “That is not…. The human race will have every opportunity to improve.”

Pietro: “And if they don’t?”

Ultron: “Ask Noah.”

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You are right, the void lords may not be involved in the plot just yet. The 5 keys were used once to seal the portal to the Legion's homeworld in the war of the Ancients. So they they aren't being used to open Old God prisons, but N'Zoth still wants us to keep the planet cleaving Sargeras out of the way. So why help us?

I mean, I havn't been inclining that the 5 pillars of creation are used directly to open an old god prison. I'm more talking of an unfortunate side-effect of using the keys. Say we seal the portal to the Legion Dimension once we are done on Argus or use them to open a Portal to Argus, maybe that will also inevitably and simutaneously unchain N'Zoth from his prison. It could be in connection to the old god. Who knows, maybe even Odyn himself will use them to seal the Portal to Argus while we are on it and we have to get back to Azeroth in a different way.

Xal'atath whispers: The God of the Deep writhes in his prison, breaking free ever so slowly. You should hurry and defeat the fallen titan... there are greater battles yet to fight.

Since it's an unconfirmed old god (xal'atath) whispering to us, he could possibly also mean the fight against the Naaru/Void Lords, whoever's side we will be on.

the final Titan, or at least his Avatar.. the last of N'Zoth's competition for the World Soul.

Sargeras was never competition for the world Soul. Sargeras doesn't care about world souls anymore, he just intends to shatter them on sight. Sargeras is a true threat though, but not competition. WE (the sane folks of azeroth) and possibly the Naaru are the only remaining competition for the old gods/void lords.

Odyn while still alive and well is still refered to as a former enemy of N'Zoth. So yes he's not using Souls or making a grandiose Void gate directly in service of the Old Gods. But his actions are not his own, they only serve to empower N'Zoth.

We don't know that yet. We can only asume it. Maybe they are the exact opposite of what N'Zoth has intended and we have been interpreting all the whispers incorrectly thus far.

You may also ask yourself why Odyn had the idea to lift the Halls of Valor into the sky or pocket dimension above/apart from the surface of Azeroth and create a system of gathering only those "Loyal" to your side. It only reminds me of Ultron's reasoning behind blowing up the earth.

Wanda: “When everyone is dead?”

Ultron: “That is not…. The human race will have every opportunity to improve.”

Pietro: “And if they don’t?”

Ultron: “Ask Noah.”

That is indeed an interesting theory. I mean he didn't approve of the successors to the original Vrykul (Humans for example) and he wanted the strongest of the strong to form his personal Odyn Army. Atleast that is what I took from the chronicles book. It wasn't his Intention to be locked into the Halls of Valor himself and maybe he would've joined one of the previous battles with his mighty chosen Vrykul. Maybe he does for one of the future battles, now that he's finally freed. Maybe he also built it to be further away from the earth that is being corrupted by the old gods. There are many reasons why he would do that, your theory is another plausible one though.

[Combatbutler]

Sargeras was never competition for the world Soul. Sargeras doesn't care about world souls anymore, he just intends to shatter them on sight. Sargeras is a true threat though, but not competition. WE (the sane folks of azeroth) and possibly the Naaru are the only remaining competition for the old gods/void lords.

Sargeras is in love with Azeroth


Soon after the War of the Ancients, Sargeras had a vision: the Well of Eternity imploded once again, but this time, it dragged him down to the very core of Azeroth. He was there for only an instant, but in that moment, he saw Azeroth's slumbering world-soul--and in that moment, the world-soul opened one eye and gazed at the Dark Titan. He was enraptured.

Since then, the eye of Azeroth's world-soul has not been far from his thoughts. He commanded the eredar who forged the scepter to crown it with that lone, wondrous orb. Next to it, the eredar placed two nathrezim wings, a testament to Sargeras's conception of the world-soul: corrupted, demonic, and most importantly, his.


http://wow.gamepedia.com/Tome_of_Blighted_Implements

[Lastlivingsoul]

Just had another Holy crap moment after a standard Helya kill and after completing another questline. Helya plays the Pronoun game.

"Don't let HIM win." is one of her final quotes after she dies.

This isn't a spiteful jab at us. Its not even a taunt. She knows more about Odyn than us and wants us to continue fighting after she's gone. Both Loken and Helya knew why they had to banish him. He is the Big Bad.

However this is an Old God Heavy theory for an expansion about the Legion.

There is one other possibility since Gul'Dan, Azshara, Xavius, and Skovald are also affliated with the Legion as well. It also may be that Odyn may be ... and I mean possibly .... and .00000000002% chance of being in league with Sargeras. (Hear me out) Knowing the planet is doomed he could be planning to create his own private Ragnarok Event to end his watch over a corrupted world soul. NZoth could simply be sitting back watching his enemies do his work for him.

Think Sentinel Prime's plan to hand Earth over to the Decepticons to ensure the survival of the Transformer race. Letting Sargeras kill the kill/corrupt/control the World soul would mean the survival of rest of the universe for the small price of one planet. God Complex Logic ....

If this were true that would make Sylvannas our Optimus Prime to Odyn's Sentinel Prime. She sould be a Lich Queen who could unite Helya's Val'Kyr and Kval'dir against Odyn and stop whatever she has planned by turning his power against him. If she honor does indeed pact she made with Helya to stop Odyn's plans by any means necessary. This would finally bring her into the story which I think we have all been waiting for.

Anyway whether Odyn is working for the Legion(unlikely but probable) or N'Zoth I don't really think he can be trusted period.

[Zandalariprelate]

Just had another Holy crap moment after a standard Helya kill and after completing another questline. Helya plays the Pronoun game.

"Don't let HIM win." is one of her final quotes after she dies.

This isn't a spiteful jab at us. Its not even a taunt. She knows more about Odyn than us and wants us to continue fighting after she's gone. Both Loken and Helya knew why they had to banish him. He is the Big Bad.

However this is an Old God Heavy theory for an expansion about the Legion.

There is one other possibility since Gul'Dan, Azshara, Xavius, and Skovald are also affliated with the Legion as well. It also may be that Odyn may be ... and I mean possibly .... and .00000000002% chance of being in league with Sargeras. (Hear me out) Knowing the planet is doomed he could be planning to create his own private Ragnarok Event to end his watch over a corrupted world soul. NZoth could simply be sitting back watching his enemies do his work for him.

Think Sentinel Prime's plan to hand Earth over to the Decepticons to ensure the survival of the Transformer race. Letting Sargeras kill the kill/corrupt/control the World soul would mean the survival of rest of the universe for the small price of one planet. God Complex Logic ....

If this were true that would make Sylvannas our Optimus Prime to Odyn's Sentinel Prime. She sould be a Lich Queen who could unite Helya's Val'Kyr and Kval'dir against Odyn and stop whatever she has planned by turning his power against him. If she honor does indeed pact she made with Helya to stop Odyn's plans by any means necessary. This would finally bring her into the story which I think we have all been waiting for.

Anyway whether Odyn is working for the Legion(unlikely but probable) or N'Zoth I don't really think he can be trusted period.

Is just another quote of Helya dying, she say others like: damm you Odyn....DAMM YOU, He must not be free, NOOO my reign can't end like this, you are over reading this, the last kvaldir are probably killed in heilheim with the rest of the valkyr(this is possible with his phase 3 called: Hellheim last stand which summon practically an army of mobs of that zone) and the old gods cannot permit the planet die or suffer a lot of damage because if that happen bye to baby azeroth and no baby azeroth, no titan to corrupt and that would be bad for the void lords because without a dark titan or someone strong enough to summon them, they are doomed to stay in the other dimension

[Lastlivingsoul]

Is just another quote of Helya dying, she say others like: damm you Odyn....DAMM YOU, He must not be free, NOOO my reign can't end like this, you are over reading this, the last kvaldir are probably killed in heilheim with the rest of the valkyr(this is possible with his phase 3 called: Hellheim last stand which summon practically an army of mobs of that zone) and the old gods cannot permit the planet die or suffer a lot of damage because if that happen bye to baby azeroth and no baby azeroth, no titan to corrupt and that would be bad for the void lords because without a dark titan or someone strong enough to summon them, they are doomed to stay in the other dimension

If you think that the Old God's don't want the planet to die you clearly don't understand the nature of the void lords. The Dark Titan/(Old God Corrupted Baby Titan) doesn't summon the Titan from being alive. It is the sacrifice of a huge amount of energy/matter/power given to the void would open the way for a Void God. The Planet's Titan dying from an Old God's corruption is exactly what they want.

Its just like Corrupted Naaru adds a new minion to your arsenal a dead Naruu summons a Void Lord. A Corrupted Dark baby Azeroth's Death will be enought to summon a Void God. Odyn seems to be preparing for the worst thinking that a floating Valhalla will be immune to the destruction once its unleashed.

[Zandalariprelate]

If you think that the Old God's don't want the planet to die you clearly don't understand the nature of the void lords. The Dark Titan/(Old God Corrupted Baby Titan) doesn't summon the Titan from being alive. It is the sacrifice of a huge amount of energy/matter/power given to the void would open the way for a Void God. The Planet's Titan dying from an Old God's corruption is exactly what they want.

Its just like Corrupted Naaru adds a new minion to your arsenal a dead Naruu summons a Void Lord. A Corrupted Dark baby Azeroth's Death will be enought to summon a Void God. Odyn seems to be preparing for the worst thinking that a floating Valhalla will be immune to the destruction once its unleashed.

Do you ever had read the chronicles of wow? It is stated that they only can be summoned by a user of great power and the old gods are like parasites of the world souls. if the world soul die also do the old gods and who will summon the void lords, it only sacrificing the world were enough for summon them, azeroth would be done long ago to the second come of the titans(which the gap of years is really huge). Also, are you seriously taking that stupid plan of ultron to destroy the earth with a piece of dust? Man that was even stupid for a mainstream comic book movie and the critics bash that part of the plot in every review(also glad that disney kicked the man child whedon and let the russo brothers take the sit in civil war)

[Lastlivingsoul]

Do you ever had read the chronicles of wow?

Yep

0snip -Blah Blah Blah Stuff I already stated above.

Yep. Now pay attention this time.

N'Zoth corrupts the Titan. Titan kills planet.
Odyn floats over the planet.
Odyn attempts to fight the Evil Titan with Stormborn.
Odyn decides to wipe out all corrupted life along with N'Zoth.
He fails. We kill him.
N'Zoth laughs.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.

Or

N'Zoth corrupts Odyn.
Odyn gets banished by Helya.
N'Zoth is banished by Helya.
Helya dies.
Odyn and N'Zoth corrupts Planet.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.

Or

Odyn is Insane(whispered).
He uses the Pillars to seal the Legion Portal.
Reveals the Vault of the Nacent Titan.
Odyns let N'Zoth into the Vault.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.
World ends.

Also, are you seriously taking that stupid plan of ultron to destroy the earth with a piece of dust? Man that was even stupid for a mainstream comic book movie and the critics bash that part of the plot in every review(also glad that disney kicked the man child whedon and let the russo brothers take the sit in civil war)

I appreciate that you are taking the time to (unsuccessfully) bash my theory but keep your (snip) "opinions" to one franchise at a time. We are talking about Warcraft not Marvel. Besides its a common move by villains from every genre to have an evil lair that would be immune the the blast zone of tier death-beam. Ultron was just one example.

Odyn just displays too many villainous tropes of a Goodie two shoes hiding a darker secret.

[Zandalariprelate]

Yep



Yep. Now pay attention this time.

N'Zoth corrupts the Titan. Titan kills planet.
Odyn floats over the planet.
Odyn attempts to fight the Evil Titan with Stormborn.
Odyn decides to wipe out all corrupted life along with N'Zoth.
He fails. We kill him.
N'Zoth laughs.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.

Or

N'Zoth corrupts Odyn.
Odyn gets banished by Helya.
N'Zoth is banished by Helya.
Helya dies.
Odyn and N'Zoth corrupts Planet.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.



Or

Odyn is Insane(whispered).
He uses the Pillars to seal the Legion Portal.
Reveals the Vault of the Nacent Titan.
Odyns let N'Zoth into the Vault.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.
World ends.

There are 3 problems with that

1)Odyn is not corrupted by any old god, since their whisper have a max range, just ask seballion the son of Neltharion

2)Shadow priest dagger whisper when you fought the soul taker or the faceless one in the eye of azshara zone, that helya had an alliance with nzoth, so why would banish Odyn and the old god I mention if she had a bargain with him

3)The most important thing and it seen you still don't understand is that...why would sargeras destroy world soul of many nascent titans if that action would actually helping to unleash the void lords in our dimension? He would just invade those worlds and kill the old gods there and order his army to prevent the birth of the titan of that world, but no he just destroy it so, no one can summon the void lords

I appreciate that you are taking the time to (unsuccessfully) bash my theory but keep your (snip) "opinions" to one franchise at a time. We are talking about Warcraft not Marvel. Besides its a common move by villains from every genre to have an evil lair that would be immune the the blast zone of tier death-beam. Ultron was just one example.

Odyn just displays too many villainous tropes of a Goodie two shoes hiding a darker secret.

I am only told you, that example of ultron was really bad, now that I offended your favorite movie in that case deal with it, everyone have a different opinion from a movie and if you think your theory is a fact because of your headcanons or you don't accept any contraire opinión well dude that spoke a lot about you.

[Friendlyimmolation]

If you think that the Old God's don't want the planet to die you clearly don't understand the nature of the void lords. The Dark Titan/(Old God Corrupted Baby Titan) doesn't summon the Titan from being alive. It is the sacrifice of a huge amount of energy/matter/power given to the void would open the way for a Void God. The Planet's Titan dying from an Old God's corruption is exactly what they want.

Its just like Corrupted Naaru adds a new minion to your arsenal a dead Naruu summons a Void Lord. A Corrupted Dark baby Azeroth's Death will be enought to summon a Void God. Odyn seems to be preparing for the worst thinking that a floating Valhalla will be immune to the destruction once its unleashed.

That makes no sense, why summon a void god when you can corrupt the sleeping titan and have a perma void titan that will never get pulled back into the void? Maybe you need to read that part of chronicles again.

[WolfRider]

Yep



Yep. Now pay attention this time.

N'Zoth corrupts the Titan. Titan kills planet.
Odyn floats over the planet.
Odyn attempts to fight the Evil Titan with Stormborn.
Odyn decides to wipe out all corrupted life along with N'Zoth.
He fails. We kill him.
N'Zoth laughs.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.

Or

N'Zoth corrupts Odyn.
Odyn gets banished by Helya.
N'Zoth is banished by Helya.
Helya dies.
Odyn and N'Zoth corrupts Planet.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.

Or

Odyn is Insane(whispered).
He uses the Pillars to seal the Legion Portal.
Reveals the Vault of the Nacent Titan.
Odyns let N'Zoth into the Vault.
World soul dies. --> Corrupted Void Titan is born.
World ends.



I appreciate that you are taking the time to (unsuccessfully) bash my theory but keep your (snip) "opinions" to one franchise at a time. We are talking about Warcraft not Marvel. Besides its a common move by villains from every genre to have an evil lair that would be immune the the blast zone of tier death-beam. Ultron was just one example.

Odyn just displays too many villainous tropes of a Goodie two shoes hiding a darker secret.

Your theory is based on the Fallen Avatar of Sargeras that laid in the depth of his Tomb for centuries.
But this Avatar is just a construction made by Sargeras to trick Aegwynn and possess her. Then he used her to be pregnant, he switched to her son Medhiv and then was acting undercover to open a gate from Azeroth to Draenor. When Kadghar killed him, the last remains of Sargeras' soul went back to the Twisting Nether.
So the Fallen Avatar of Sargeras you're talking about is an empty Golem, Titan Keeper sized (just like Odyn), and fel infused. He could be mind controlled by Kil'Jaeden we'll fight after him.

Meanwhile, you're not so wrong if you think that Odyn will do something really wrong.
Odyn was against the Titans' decision about who should be in charge of Azeroth's protection.
They wanted to provide this role to the Proto-Dragons descending from Galakrond because they helped Tyr to protect Azeroth from their genitor. So the Titans gave powers to these Proto-Dragons who became the Aspects.
Intrigued by the functioning of the Shadowlands, Odyn started to have interests into this plane. He planed to use the souls of most valiant Vrykuls to create his own guardians of Azeroth : the Valarjars.
That's his first act of disobedience.
Then he asked Helya to "hide" one of Ulduar's wing, so he could use that place to undertake his plan.
This is his second act of disobedience.
When he studied Shadowlands, he found a way to collect souls, but he had to sacrifice some Vrykuls. Helya protested against him so he used her, changing her into the first Prime Valkyr. Then he forced her to sacrifice her own people to create other Valkyrs. Then he sent Helya and her Valkyrs in the Shadowlands.
That's his third act of disobedience.

At the moment, Odyn is not whispered by Old Gods, and never will. He's just acting selfishly and with pride. But his actions annoy the Old Gods' plan : the Shadowlands are their soul tank, their project. Maybe this spiritual plane existed before their arrival, but they changed it during the Black Empire era. And now they are imprisoned, some idiot Titan Keeper is wasting the mortal souls they were trying to collect.
So Yogg'Saron, who was setting his own prison break, used Loken to make a deal with Helya. Loken found her and set her free from Odyn's will and helped her to lock her former "friend" into his own golden prison : the Halls of Valor.
Despite they got rid of Odyn, Yogg'Saron hadn't planned that Helya would act for her own : she used her own Valkyrs to create her own Army : the Helarjars, and sent them to invade Azeroth. The Shadowlands were still occupied and Old Gods had to find another way to claim them.

Millenias after, it brings us to Legion expansion's events.
Azerothan forces reach the Broken Islands to fight the Legion. The last living Old God, N'Zoth, foresees a new plan : use the Hord and Alliance's conflict to plot his return.
When Vol'Jin was dying, N'Zoth tricked the Hord's Leader by pointing his successor : Sylvanas Windrunner. Why her? Because of her desperate search of immortality. And what could possibly give her interest? Valkyrs. And who made Valkyrs ? Odyn. And how to capture Eyir, Odyn's Prime Valkyr? By making an alliance with his enemy. Who is his enemy? Helya, who's bothering the Old Gods' plan since millenias.

So here we are, Sylvanas tried to capture Eyir but failed because Genn Greymane interfered. The factions' conflict in Stormheim isn't over, and Odyn summons us to kill Helya. The Old Gods' plan is on its way.
We kill Helya but she warns us that we can't let him win. Odyn is freed and is the last bastion against the tidal wave of the Shadowlands ("the Lord of Ravens will turn the key")

I think Sylvanas VS Genn will continue in patch 7.2. We know that Odyn will help us in the Broken Shores V2 events, and will witness a plot against the Hord's Warchief orchestrated by Genn Greymane, approved by Anduin Wrynn who has been manipulated ("The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you") by Jaina Proudmoore ("Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it"), who is whispered by N'Zoth himself since Kadghar took the control of Dalaran. Remember that since the beginning of Legion, Genn Greymane is harrassing Sylvanas, assaulting the Hord bases in Stormheim, he even fired the first shots when Hord came to Stormheim. Genn wants his revenge on his son's death and the Battle of Gilneas. Even if the Legion is invading Azeroth, his prime objective is to get rid of the Banshee Queen. Back to 7.2, Odyn will witness a dishonorable act from Alliance that would wipe the majority of Hord's forces in the Broken Shores. Odyn will help the Hord with the Valkyrs, but Alliance will interfer, leaviing Sylvanas to make a huge choice in her last breath. She'll ask Odyn to sacrifice Eyir to mass resurect the Hord troops instead of her.
No more immortality for the Banshee Queen, but a huge act of Valor.
And no more Valkyr until Odyn creates another Prime, but it means that in the meantime...
the Shadowlands are left without control.

It's not an exhaustive description of the events that could happen, but that would explain many thing : the reason why Nathanos Blightcaller has a new Skin ingame, the reason why Sylvanas will have a dramatic choice to make, Il'Gynnoth saying "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming". That quote tells that someone will die, and this death will imply that the path is opened.
Sylvanas reached the Shadowlands only two times, Arthas kept her soul bound to Frostmourne, so it doesn't count from the Old Gods' point of view.

Back to Odyn, and the Old Gods manipulating people, he never was the main target. His acts were an embarrassment to the Old Gods that couldn't reach him directly. They tried to use Helya, but she was so deeply in hate with Odyn they could'nt stop her in her revenge and claim of her own freedom.

They used Sylvanas' will to save her own and her people's fate, they used Genn Greymane's hate about her, they used Odyn's pride and principles. Everything is tied.

[Lastlivingsoul]

There are 3 problems with that

1)Odyn is not corrupted by any old god, since their whisper have a max range, just ask seballion the son of Neltharion

2)Shadow priest dagger whisper when you fought the soul taker or the faceless one in the eye of azshara zone, that helya had an alliance with nzoth, so why would banish Odyn and the old god I mention if she had a bargain with him

3)The most important thing and it seen you still don't understand is that...why would sargeras destroy world soul of many nascent titans if that action would actually helping to unleash the void lords in our dimension? He would just invade those worlds and kill the old gods there and order his army to prevent the birth of the titan of that world, but no he just destroy it so, no one can summon the void lords



I am only told you, that example of ultron was really bad, now that I offended your favorite movie in that case deal with it, everyone have a different opinion from a movie and if you think your theory is a fact because of your headcanons or you don't accept any contraire opinión well dude that spoke a lot about you.

That grammar .. So Bad .. hard to .. Serious take. So MMe wodrord speak so clearlrie you .. standunder.

1. Odyn squish tiny champion when asked what Loken say. This is bad.
2. N'zoth say Helya hsadowlands close but far from truth. So Helya NOT wit N'Zoth really.
3. Old God say Odyn was a threat but not no more. Odyn tricky metal man. More below...

Konclusion; We in deep do do.

Your theory is based on the Fallen Avatar of Sargeras that laid in the depth of his Tomb for centuries.

My theory actually just stems from a simple truth: "there is no free lunch."

1)Odyn didn't trust 5 Huge Dragons with the powers of the Titans themselves and separated an entire wing of Ulduar because of it. Now he just GIVES us a Pillar of creation, A Titan relic of inconcievable power to the first moron to complete a trial?

2) Then He steps on you for asking a simple question about what Loken said to him? And believe it or not we are sent to kill an enemy he himself damned to be an eternal slave.

3) "The Lord of Ravens will turn the key" Even N'Zoth knows whats up.

That is why I am questioning loyalty to this guy. This guy is no good in any scenario.

As for the rest of that longwinded exposition. I have that on kindle too and have read it as well. Although Sylvannas has not been set up with villianous intention as Garrosh had been in MoP. I still think she is in the right for once. That said her bargain with Helya also puts Helya in a more redeeming light as well. Being the expansion of Redeemed fallen heroes like Illidan and all. It matches the theme of self sacrifice in the face of the an evil appearance.

Your theory works too in a way so good on ya.

[WolfRider]

That grammar .. So Bad .. hard to .. Serious take. So MMe wodrord speak so clearlrie you .. standunder.

1. Odyn squish tiny champion when asked what Loken say. This is bad.
2. N'zoth say Helya hsadowlands close but far from truth. So Helya NOT wit N'Zoth really.
3. Old God say Odyn was a threat but not no more. Odyn tricky metal man. More below...

Konclusion; We in deep do do.



My theory actually just stems from a simple truth: "there is no free lunch."

1)Odyn didn't trust 5 Huge Dragons with the powers of the Titans themselves and separated an entire wing of Ulduar because of it. Now he just GIVES us a Pillar of creation, A Titan relic of inconcievable power to the first moron to complete a trial?

2) Then He steps on you for asking a simple question about what Loken said to him? And believe it or not we are sent to kill an enemy he himself damned to be an eternal slave.

3) "The Lord of Ravens will turn the key" Even N'Zoth knows whats up.

That is why I am questioning loyalty to this guy. This guy is no good in any scenario.

As for the rest of that longwinded exposition. I have that on kindle too and have read it as well. Although Sylvannas has not been set up with villianous intention as Garrosh had been in MoP. I still think she is in the right for once. That said her bargain with Helya also puts Helya in a more redeeming light as well. Being the expansion of Redeemed fallen heroes like Illidan and all. It matches the theme of self sacrifice in the face of the an evil appearance.

Your theory works too in a way so good on ya.

There's one Il'gynoth's quote that could emphasize your "Odyn is working for N'Zoth" theory : "Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."
The Halls of Valor are bright, but something darker could lay under.

But the theory on Loken who helped Helya to get rid of Odyn because he didn't trust him is wrong. In Chronicles, it is said that Loken needed to trick the other keepers, but he had to banish the Prime Keeper Odyn because he was a threat for his plan.

He used Helya to lock Odyn in his Halls of Valor, then he got total control of Ulduar. Then you know the story.

Adding the thing that Odyn and Halls of Valor are Warriors' class domain. From a Gameplay POV Blizzard can't put a class domain and a usable NPC (Odyn) in a way that player could not access during the expansion's timeline.
If an evil Odyn reveals himself as a right arm for N'Zoth, Warriors would lose their class domain. Blizzard could do that in patch 7.4, but it means that every class domain should follow that kind of path.

Odyn is just a Titanic Watcher, made by the Pantheon and like the other Titanic Watchers, he was left by himself when the Titans died.
Ulduar's Titanic Watcher have been tricked by one of them (Loken), Ra-Den was completely isolated and got beaten by another Titanic creation. Odyn had his own destiny, he judged the other living creatures worthless. He's just acting for himself.

When we came to Stormheim, he tested us under Havi's form. The doors of his Halls of Valor were assaulted by the Legion. When he saw that we could be serious pawns for his freedom, he gave the Pillar of Creation to us so Skovald couldn't get it for the Legion.
The Titans are dead, the Dragon Aspects are done, Odyn thinks he's the last capable defender to watch over Azeroth. He used us to be able to act, Helya has been killed, Loken is dead, he took a trip to Ulduar to talk to the other Titanic Watchers.
Odyn has a plan to protect Azeroth, his own vision where he might not consider us as a force, but he's not playing for N'Zoth. He's playing for him and he has one simple task : protect Azeroth. That's why the Pantheon made him.

[Zandalariprelate]

That grammar .. So Bad .. hard to .. Serious take. So MMe wodrord speak so clearlrie you .. standunder.

1. Odyn squish tiny champion when asked what Loken say. This is bad.
2. N'zoth say Helya hsadowlands close but far from truth. So Helya NOT wit N'Zoth really.
3. Old God say Odyn was a threat but not no more. Odyn tricky metal man. More below...

Konclusion; We in deep do do.



My theory actually just stems from a simple truth: "there is no free lunch."

1)Odyn didn't trust 5 Huge Dragons with the powers of the Titans themselves and separated an entire wing of Ulduar because of it. Now he just GIVES us a Pillar of creation, A Titan relic of inconcievable power to the first moron to complete a trial?

2) Then He steps on you for asking a simple question about what Loken said to him? And believe it or not we are sent to kill an enemy he himself damned to be an eternal slave.

3) "The Lord of Ravens will turn the key" Even N'Zoth knows whats up.

That is why I am questioning loyalty to this guy. This guy is no good in any scenario.

As for the rest of that longwinded exposition. I have that on kindle too and have read it as well. Although Sylvannas has not been set up with villianous intention as Garrosh had been in MoP. I still think she is in the right for once. That said her bargain with Helya also puts Helya in a more redeeming light as well. Being the expansion of Redeemed fallen heroes like Illidan and all. It matches the theme of self sacrifice in the face of the an evil appearance.

Your theory works too in a way so good on ya.

I will stop replying you, it seen you have only read the summary from wowpedia about the chronicles book, just above of my post,you have been answered clearly by friendly

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

SO sick of explaining this but here we go AGAIN.
"At the hour of her third death she ushers in our coming." DOES NOT REFERENCE HELYA OR SYLVANAS. ITS ELISANDE. SHE DIES 3 TIMES.

[Charge me Doctor]

Adding the thing that Odyn and Halls of Valor are Warriors' class domain. From a Gameplay POV Blizzard can't put a class domain and a usable NPC (Odyn) in a way that player could not access during the expansion's timeline.
If an evil Odyn reveals himself as a right arm for N'Zoth, Warriors would lose their class domain. Blizzard could do that in patch 7.4, but it means that every class domain should follow that kind of path.

Why? I disagree. It's completely plausible for warriors to get different order hall in this case and would be really cool and balsy move from blizzard to do so