Former Inmate Sues Sheriff For Denying Abortion

[Deleted]

It had nothing to do with religion, watch the video in the OP.

Not sure if you're serious or american.

The state should pay for abortion in these cases, like it does in every civilised country. Also, only a religious nut would call an abortion elective surgery.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Not sure if you're serious or american.

The state should pay for abortion in these cases, like it does in every civilised country. Also, only a religious nut would call an abortion elective surgery.

Well, I'm a european atheist and here to prove you wrong. At least on the religous part. The other one would depend on what she earnsand how much money she has saved, if she can't affort it the state would jump in, but only then, she'd still have to pay for it otherwise.

[kail]

The state does have to pay for the delivery of the child but it will only pay for the care of the child up until the child is either adopted or returns to his/her mother. Since the latter is unlikely hopefully the child is adopted into a good family instead of being bounced around the foster system until he/she turns 18. In which case yeah the state will be paying for the entirety of the child's youth life.

Sure, I'm simply saying that since they are paying one bill or the other (abortion or child care), they have the right to decide. I'm very pro-choice and believe people have the right to do what they will to their own body, but not at someone else's expense. In the end, I'm siding with the state unless they are disallowing her to pay for her own abortion.

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Yeah, murder is a perfectly acceptable alternative.

Feel free to call it what you want, no one should be forced to undergo procedures they don't want nor lend their body for others. Even for close family.

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Maybe prisoners shouldn't be allowed to have sex then this wouldn't be a problem ever?

Are they even allowed to have sex (outside of conjugal visit)? Allowed or not, the lady is pregnant.

[alexkeren]

The problem with this is they disallowed a law-abiding citizen from getting an abortion. That's it. HUGE problem with that.

You forgot the /s tag.

[Masark]

Smells like someone trying to milk the public. All she had to do was pay for it herself, but she either couldn't or didn't want to.

So all she had to do was either magic money out of nowhere or be independently wealthy.

Or are you missing the little detail that when someone is in an American jail, they are unable to work and acquire money?

[Katchii]

It saddens me that this is discussed in 2017. You cannot deny basic health procedures to women just because you do not want to pay for the transportation and guards.

An abortion is not a "basic health procedure" it's an elective procedure if carrying the child to term is not harmful to the mother or the child. Besides that, she's incarcerated, so she's lost many rights and that's not even what this is about. She's suing because the state refused to pay for the abortion, not because they wouldn't let her have one.

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So all she had to do was either magic money out of nowhere or be independently wealthy.

Or are you missing the little detail that when someone is in an American jail, they are unable to work and acquire money?

She probably should have thought about this before having, what I assume was, unprotected sex. Because from the story, this wasn't a rape case, so getting pregnant was her fault.

[Direpenguin]

SUSPICION of murder. Not CONVICTION. She did not just WAIT it out, she was in JAIL trying to get the money together for her BOND and it took her 6mos to get enough to get out of JAIL to go get an abortion, by which time it was ILLEGAL to do so.

Excuse me while I don't give a shit that a woman is upset the state wouldn't pay to take care of her long string of shitty life choices.

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Or are you missing the little detail that when someone is in an American jail, they are unable to work and acquire money?

Yes, it's a shame she is the only person allowed to post her bail. Oh, wait...

[Cosmic Janitor]

So all she had to do was either magic money out of nowhere or be independently wealthy.

Or are you missing the little detail that when someone is in an American jail, they are unable to work and acquire money?

That is still not the fault of the sheriff, take a loan or what ever, I question how she would have afforded it any other way? It's not the sheriff's fault that the american healthcare system is utter garbage. And as a guy I'm constantly told that kids are the risk of having sex, in the same way that was the risk she took. If she can't afford it she simply can't. That's the country you live in, sueing someone for an enormous sum is not something I'll support.

[Jonnusthegreat]

You forgot the /s tag.

No I didn't. Not sure if you are serious or just didn't read the article.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

I think in the end it would have been better for everyone if they allowed her to get one.. Poor child. hopefully it goes up for adoption and goes to a good family.

[Usernameforforums]

Well seeing how those in jail/prison have no rights, except the miranda rights, this is going to go nowhere. It might lead to women that are pregnant and are going to prison must get a abortion.

[alexkeren]

No I didn't. Not sure if you are serious or just didn't read the article.

Apparently I gave you credit for knowing as an inmate she was NOT a Law-Abiding Citizen.

[Piglord]

Actual law enforcement experience here.

This sheriff is boned and they're going to lose that case. There's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference in the rights of the jailed and the imprisoned. Jail is for misdemeanor offenders or the accused. Prison is for felons.

That sheriff's office is obviously ran by idiots and now the taxpayer's going to pay the price, great.

Did you watch the video? They got her bond reduced three times, they offered transportation. The only thing they didn't offer was to fund her choice, which she is suing for. That the SO didn't pay for her bad choices.

[kail]

Actual law enforcement experience here.

This sheriff is boned and they're going to lose that case. There's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference in the rights of the jailed and the imprisoned. Jail is for misdemeanor offenders or the accused. Prison is for felons.

That sheriff's office is obviously ran by idiots and now the taxpayer's going to pay the price, great.

What? Why? They are allowing her to have an abortion, they just simply won't pay for it.

[Deleted]

Well, I'm a european atheist and here to prove you wrong. At least on the religous part. The other one would depend on what she earnsand how much money she has saved, if she can't affort it the state would jump in, but only then, she'd still have to pay for it otherwise.

It's in basic healthcare here in the netherlands, because we realised that people not wanting children having children costs a metric tonne of money. And an ewual amount of hurt in wasted youth,upbringing etc.

I mean let me just list all the succesfull happy people here that were raised without dads and their mums incarcerated;

End list.

[ItachiZaku]

I think she's just a criminal looking for a payday.

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What? Why? They are allowing her to have an abortion, they just simply won't pay for it.

They let mentally handicapped people get their genitals switched on the states dime, why not a little scrap and vacuuming?

[Cosmic Janitor]

It's in basic healthcare here in the netherlands, because we realised that people not wanting children having children costs a metric tonne of money. And an ewual amount of hurt in wasted youth,upbringing etc.

I mean let me just list all the succesfull happy people here that were raised without dads and their mums incarcerated;

End list.

Your list probably misses quite a few people that just got loving foster parents, but that is probably not cliche enough.

[Louisa Bannon]

This whole thing is giving some bogus petty tyrant decision making power over another individual, power that he doesn't actually possess. When an individual is in custody their rights still have to be respected and any medical needs they have must be respected. The person in custody is 100% the responsibility of those in a custodial position over that individual - and all of the liabilities that may represent.

Sometimes a person in custody will present with a life threatening emergency. Jailers sometimes ignore their please for assistance. Cha-ching, wrongful death lawsuit, depraved indifference, etc.

See how there's a thing called "depraved indifference"?

[kail]

They let mentally handicapped people get their genitals switched on the states dime, why not a little scrap and vacuuming?

The state could pay for breast implants for all I care, but it will be their decision. This woman has little negotiating power since she isn't providing the funds.

[Jonnusthegreat]

Apparently I gave you credit for knowing as an inmate she was NOT a Law-Abiding Citizen.

She had not been convicted.