Best In Slot for Assassination in The Nighthold

[scarfdeath]

So what is the ideal setup for you guys are aiming for?

Here is mine ( with the legendaries i have)

http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simula...9a407bb44a6630

You guys agree? can come with a better setup ?

[shaunika123]

i see no scenario in which convergence is not bis for assa

unless two other trinkets are so blatantly overpowered it's not worth using

[DakonBlackblade]

i see no scenario in which convergence is not bis for assa

unless two other trinkets are so blatantly overpowered it's not worth using

Any scenario where it doesn't proc enough to give you at least 1 extra cast, and there will be many scenarios where that happens, trinket don't proc often and most sins wont be using vendetta relics anymore, they aren't bis now that they got nerfed, unless you have leg boots.

[Deleted]

Is there actually a bis list out there? Taking out warforged etc

[ymirsson]

Is there actually a bis list out there? Taking out warforged etc

No and it wouldnt make any sense.

[Deleted]

No and it wouldnt make any sense.

It would make perfect sense to be honest. If it weren't for warforged and random sockets we'd have a bis list like every expansion.

But yeah you're dead right...

[Deleted]

only 2 things from NH are true BiS, nightbloom trinket and tier set, (shoulders + gloves offset from anywhere else)

[ymirsson]

But we do have WF and sockets.
And BiS lists were bull, like every expansion.

[o17ver]

If you have the boots the CoF trinket is pretty much BiS everything else is relative.

[shaunika123]

Any scenario where it doesn't proc enough to give you at least 1 extra cast, and there will be many scenarios where that happens, trinket don't proc often and most sins wont be using vendetta relics anymore, they aren't bis now that they got nerfed, unless you have leg boots.

this was just as true for 3 MA relics and people were still running it

the trinket has 3 PPM, so more often than not it will give you an extra cast

with boots it lets you sync exsang and KB again as well which is downright insane, it sims like an extra 30k on my assa rogue, and while im reluctant to trust trinket sims yet (seeing as for example in AMR NBF is simming me an extra 26k dps even in equal ilvl which just seems downright retarded) it's probably gonna be BiS unless you dont run boots and MA relics

[DakonBlackblade]

this was just as true for 3 MA relics and people were still running it

the trinket has 3 PPM, so more often than not it will give you an extra cast

with boots it lets you sync exsang and KB again as well which is downright insane, it sims like an extra 30k on my assa rogue, and while im reluctant to trust trinket sims yet (seeing as for example in AMR NBF is simming me an extra 26k dps even in equal ilvl which just seems downright retarded) it's probably gonna be BiS unless you dont run boots and MA relics

To run boots one has to have them first, but the game prefers to drop every other legendary for me. But its not the same if youre not using MA relics and boots x if you are. Im disconsidering fight duration here for the sake of simplicity, If you are not using relics + boots you need the trinket to proc 24 times to get 1 vendetta worth of CD reduction, if you are running boots and relics you need it to proc 10 times +/- for that extra vendetta. The trinket is obviously way stronger on the second scenario.

[shaunika123]

To run boots one has to have them first, but the game prefers to drop every other legendary for me. But its not the same if youre not using MA relics and boots x if you are. Im disconsidering fight duration here for the sake of simplicity, If you are not using relics + boots you need the trinket to proc 24 times to get 1 vendetta worth of CD reduction, if you are running boots and relics you need it to proc 10 times +/- for that extra vendetta. The trinket is obviously way stronger on the second scenario.

you dont need a vendetta worth of CDR for you to cast a new vendetta in the fight tho, that's kind of a skewed way of calculating it

[DakonBlackblade]

you dont need a vendetta worth of CDR for you to cast a new vendetta in the fight tho, that's kind of a skewed way of calculating it

Depends on the fight duration, and that varies a lot, I was just ignoring fight duration for the sake of simplicity. Anyway the point is its easier to get 1 extra vendetta when your base cd is shorter, and with enough procs for 1 extra vendetta without boots and relics you probably get 2, maybe even 3 when you do have those things. So the value of this trinket varies a lot depending on how your character is built, and its quite hard to simulate tbh.

[Deleted]

Nightmare fond is showing so extremly strong for me in AMR, is this correct? like massive massive better than any other

[DakonBlackblade]

Nightmare fond is showing so extremly strong for me in AMR, is this correct? like massive massive better than any other

Trinkets sims aren't reliable before we have actual logs to analyze, so don't trust trinkets sim yet.

[shaunika123]

Nightmare fond is showing so extremly strong for me in AMR, is this correct? like massive massive better than any other

i sincerely hope a single trinket wont give like 10% dmg done in and of itself(over a similar item good trinket)

that's more than soul capa lol, so it's probably wrong

especially since if that trinket works that well for assa, for slice and dice outlaw it'd give like 100k dps

[Eazy]

But we do have WF and sockets.
And BiS lists were bull, like every expansion.

Not really, BIS lists were awesome because we had idea on what we should focus instead of stealing other people gear just because it was ~5% upgrade for us and it was BIS for them.

Though they don't make any sense now with TF/WF/sockets..

[ymirsson]

Not really, BIS lists were awesome because we had idea on what we should focus instead of stealing other people gear just because it was ~5% upgrade for us and it was BIS for them.

Though they don't make any sense now with TF/WF/sockets..

Only a 5% upgrade? Sacrilege.
And in which loot system thats relevant does it matter if you think in a whiff that it is an upgrade and you steal other people's bis? Either you have loot council or you dont need bis lists.

[Eazy]

Only a 5% upgrade? Sacrilege.
And in which loot system thats relevant does it matter if you think in a whiff that it is an upgrade and you steal other people's bis? Either you have loot council or you dont need bis lists.

5% upgrade compared to the other item, not to the overall DPS.

Even with a loot council some people are still getting their non-bis items because it's better upgrade for them, not because it's their "bis".

[ymirsson]

Whether to give the item in question to people for which it is the greater upgrade or for which it was the BiS (the last upgrade) was a philosophical question even before warforged/etc.

Now, with all the possible variations in itemdrops and also in stat weights there is even less ground to postulate a theoretical "maximum DPS equipment".

It should be much more useful to now your approximate stat weights and how to sim yourself.