Obama commutes Chelsea Manning sentence

[Kujako]

He can be pardoned can he not?

No... not until he is sentenced.

[sheggaro]

Bad decision. We gotta make examples of such people, this is showing everybody it's ok to commit treason, just claim you are a mentally damaged person who claims to be a woman and you'll get a slap on the wrist.


[Infracted]

[Sky High]

He showed that the NSA unrightfully sniffed the american people telephones, and spied on every internet activity.

Which isnt really on par with the american constitution.

and neither is treason. again, Manning exposed the domestic spying while Snowden gave our secrets to our rivals.

[sheggaro]

No... not until he is sentenced.

Wrong. You can be pardoned before you are ever sentenced.

[Kujako]

Wrong. You can be pardoned before you are ever sentenced.

Pardoned for what? No charges, no sentencing, nothing to pardon.

[Deleted]

This is nothing but a play to discredit Assange.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I wonder what will happen now:

WIKILEAKS: JULIAN ASSANGE 'WILL AGREE TO U.S. EXTRADITION' IF CHELSEA MANNING FREED
http://www.newsweek.com/assange-will...kileaks-542415

This is exactly what I wonder.

Now, the phrasing of Wikileaks' tweet is extremely important: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case

Manning received clemency, exactly as the tweet indicated. Her criminal records won't be cleared, but her sentence extremely reduced. In fact, she'd be freed on may 17th, as OP stated.

But in any case, today is a day where I feel there's a little bit more justice in this world. Thanks Obama for helping Manning.

[Deleted]

and neither is treason.

It was treason if he told secrets to the enemy, which he didnt. He told the general public about the NSA working unlawfully.

At the end he showed everyone the NSA used criminals methods to gather data they should not have.

[sheggaro]

Pardoned for what? No charges, no sentencing, nothing to pardon.

You can be pardoned pre-emptively. When they want to convict you for the thing you were pardoned they're out of luck.

[Deleted]

and neither is treason. again, Manning exposed the domestic spying while Snowden gave our secrets to our rivals.

And you got proofs for the idea he gave it to "rivals", while he infact gave the informations about the illegal mass spying to the press?

[Sky High]

It was treason if he told secrets to the enemy, which he didnt. He told the general public about the NSA working unlawfully.

At the end he showed everyone the NSA used criminals methods to gather data they should not have.

/rubs temples

AGAIN, it was Manning that exposed the actually illegal NSA spying. Snowden did not, he gave away information that got people killed. innocent people.

[Glorious Leader]

Pardoned for what? No charges, no sentencing, nothing to pardon.

Iirc ford pardoned nixon before he was charged or sentenced.

[KrazyK923]

Not a chance

Of course he won't.

And now we'll see the real Assange. An opportunist.

[Deleted]

AGAIN, it was Manning that exposed the actually illegal NSA spying. Snowden did not, he gave away information that got people killed. innocent people.

Snowden gave away all detailed informations about the NSA spying. Including every single software documentation.

He brought in all the details. Did you follow Glenn Greenwalds twitter posts those days?

[Sky High]

And you got proofs for the idea he gave it to "rivals", while he infact gave the informations about the illegal mass spying to the press?

http://www.businessinsider.com/snowd...a-files-2015-6
as a start
https://www.wired.com/2015/06/course...den-documents/
and some more

[chipwood]

Pardoned for what? No charges, no sentencing, nothing to pardon.

That's not what a pardon means. It means either all charges should be dropped OR that none can be filed in the future.

[Masark]

No... not until he is sentenced.

Incorrect. Ford pardoned Nixon without him ever going to trial.

Pardoned for what? No charges, no sentencing, nothing to pardon.

The crime does not need to be specified. They can just give a date range.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Proclamation_4311

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

[Sky High]

Snowden gave away all detailed informations about the NSA spying. Including every single software documentation.

He brought in all the details. Did you follow Glenn Greenwalds twitter posts those days?

which is exactly why he's not in the same position as Manning, by your own admission. and no I don't bother with twitter.

[Dug]

Looks like Obama played... his trump card...


YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[zorkuus]

This is nothing but a play to discredit Assange.

What say you Assange worshippers when it works and your god is caught in a lie?