What made classic wow better than current?

[Echo of Soul]

I don't think I ever contradicted myself, in this thread.

That's highly subjective though. Your feelings and perceptions does not equate to the truth.

[Kyanion]

Yeah but in Vanilla when you got a piece of loot or crafted something you got a dopamine rush so hard your head felt dizzy for 2 days and your WoW addiction just got 20x stronger.

In Legion it feels like a trip to the Welfare Office or Vegas Strip Casino

I can't say I ever got that hype about items in WoW, even when I was the one to get the legendary staff from my guild in Cata. But that is likely because I came from Everquest where my 'epic' weapon chain took crazy farming for obscure things, waiting on like 18 hour spawns to happen and then a few raids a couple of them offering really nothing to anyone else but just helping the person on their chain.

[Daffan]

I can't say I ever got that hype about items in WoW, even when I was the one to get the legendary staff from my guild in Cata. But that is likely because I came from Everquest where my 'epic' weapon chain took crazy farming for obscure things, waiting on like 18 hour spawns to happen and then a few raids a couple of them offering really nothing to anyone else but just helping the person on their chain.

While I don't like making shots at EQ (Maybe I do, since I was a UO boy) but it was a little hardcore on the PvE for my taste. In sense of raid sizes, time management and other logistical nightmares.

My dream scenario is Linear Progression from early WoW's (V/BC/Early Wrath) + Flex/CRZ/Premade Finder. The best of both worlds. Content longevity, retention, sense of journey and achievement - with a pinch of quality of life services that don't make you want to stab your eyes because your spamming trade chat forever or requiring an obscene 25/40 people.

[Kyanion]

While I don't like making shots at EQ (Maybe I do, since I was a UO boy) but it was a little hardcore on the PvE for my taste. In sense of raid sizes, time management and other logistical nightmares.

My dream scenario is Linear Progression from early WoW's (V/BC/Early Wrath) + Flex/CRZ/Premade Finder. The best of both worlds. Content longevity, retention, sense of journey and achievement - with a pinch of quality of life services that don't make you want to stab your eyes because your spamming trade chat forever or requiring an obscene 25/40 people.

Yeah Everquest was way way more of a time sink and hardcore commitment than people realize. It even got worse then they added in Alternate Advancement better known as AA's when you hit max level which were basically a talent system with tons more options than WoW ever had. It was actually a great idea for Everquest because it gave things to keep max level players grinding and farming between raiding. In EQ nearly everyone had to group as only a few classes could even solo and it wasn't even that worthwhile for many.

I dunno when it comes to WoW raiding, my guild decided to just enjoy heroic raiding this expansion and so far it has been fine. I mix in M+ dungeons when I want to do that but it would be nice if 'older raids' like EN and ToV were somehow still relevant after Nighthold opened. I'm all for what keeps the playerbase busy doing content and engaged in the game though.

[Teebone]

Time to put this question to bed.

The only thing that made classic wow good and will NEVER BE DUPLICATED was the lack of social media. Yep! That's it! there's no special magic that caused comunities to form, no papal magnet to draw the masses although for the time it was the very best of games. Social media wrecked WoW communities. Soon it was tab out chat with what-the-fuck to make sure they were on for heals on tuesday, cancel a guild event because the tank had to go in for surgery.

WoW had a community in the past because it necessitated one to actually function. Now, that isn't the case. People claimit was magical because they can't get it in their fucking heads that the world itself is immensely different from those days!

[Kauko]

It was something new for most of players. And now, everyone is hit with nostalgia. They don't care for bad things, that they were flaming 24/7 on wow forums during Vanilla... things that Blizzard changed just to please this exact players... Just funny, nothing else.

[Armourboy]

I know, you was using one type of blessing, one type of seal, and judgement, right? You also used an attack button on your bars.
And don't lie to me that you didn't, like, you was using heals and such - nope, if you was one of holy paladins you either judged light on a boss, or wisdom. Blessed wisdom, kings or salv and auto-attacked if boss allowed you to

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If you would use turn underd in any dungeon you would probably pay for everyones repair bill

Actually no I used several buffs, most used different things ( might on melee, wisdom on ranges, Kings if I was the guy to have it in the run). Blessings I used them all, especially Sac, Salv ( usually on the wife cause she was a mage), and Protection. Seals changed up based on what you were doing. General damage, Righteousness most of the time, Seal of Justice if you needed a bit more CC, Wisdom and Light if more for soloing, but would use it if mana was low in 5 mans. Judge obviously was if you needed healing/mana. Holy Shock was used as much for DPS as it was healing because it was so mana heavy, but it hit hard enough in 5 mans it worked pretty much like a taunt ( which Paladin didn't have). Exorcism/ Holy Wrath if facing undead, and obviously Hammer for a stun when needed.

Then you had the couple of ranks of FoL/HL but with enough gear you could pretty much max rank FoL without any problems. I actually spent as much time in the early 5 mans and UBRS as true support as I did an actual healer. Just with our group the ability to off heal, off tank, and do a bit of DPS worked pretty well. Made the healer and tanks life easier and the DPS wasn't so bad that it hindered anything.

Obviously you didn't use turn undead unless things had already gotten so bad it didn't matter, or if there was enough clearance not to need to worry about it. Didn't get much use tbh until TBC and the Moroes fight, and even then you had to hope you didn't get unlucky with them running through that side door.

[tyrs ankle]

Actually no I used several buffs, most used different things ( might on melee, wisdom on ranges, Kings if I was the guy to have it in the run). Blessings I used them all, especially Sac, Salv ( usually on the wife cause she was a mage), and Protection. Seals changed up based on what you were doing. General damage, Righteousness most of the time, Seal of Justice if you needed a bit more CC, Wisdom and Light if more for soloing, but would use it if mana was low in 5 mans. Judge obviously was if you needed healing/mana. Holy Shock was used as much for DPS as it was healing because it was so mana heavy, but it hit hard enough in 5 mans it worked pretty much like a taunt ( which Paladin didn't have). Exorcism/ Holy Wrath if facing undead, and obviously Hammer for a stun when needed.

Then you had the couple of ranks of FoL/HL but with enough gear you could pretty much max rank FoL without any problems. I actually spent as much time in the early 5 mans and UBRS as true support as I did an actual healer. Just with our group the ability to off heal, off tank, and do a bit of DPS worked pretty well. Made the healer and tanks life easier and the DPS wasn't so bad that it hindered anything.

Obviously you didn't use turn undead unless things had already gotten so bad it didn't matter, or if there was enough clearance not to need to worry about it. Didn't get much use tbh until TBC and the Moroes fight, and even then you had to hope you didn't get unlucky with them running through that side door.

You're overcomplicating the 5 spells you have, lol.
It's a given you're going to use buffs on appropriate classes.

Lmao you wrote a cookbook about boiling water.

[Deng]

I pointed out exactly what you did, that achievements were not around then. So what you provided not only was not proof, it was not a good attempt at providing proof.

Oh boy, this is amusing. This is exactly a proof that the character from that screenshot played vanilla. Those Feats of Strength are not available to people who weren't there regardless of the date (because transferring servers and switching factions change that date anyway).

[Armourboy]

You're overcomplicating the 5 spells you have, lol.
It's a given you're going to use buffs on appropriate classes.

Lmao you wrote a cookbook about boiling water.

No that's how you played the class if you were worth a damn. Anyone could play Holy Paladin, not everyone was good at it though. The little things is what separated " it's just 5 spells" and the people that were actually decent. You know unlike today where you still push 5 buttons but there is zero thought as to why.

I like both versions of the game, but lets not act like what we have today is some super great style of play. 99% of it just muscle memory anymore.

[Charge me Doctor]

No that's how you played the class if you were worth a damn. Anyone could play Holy Paladin, not everyone was good at it though. The little things is what separated " it's just 5 spells" and the people that were actually decent. You know unlike today where you still push 5 buttons but there is zero thought as to why.

I like both versions of the game, but lets not act like what we have today is some super great style of play. 99% of it just muscle memory anymore.

Sure.. it was in irrelevant content like 5 man dungeons. In a raid when you was one of 4-6 paladins you did exactly that - used one buff (ok, maybe multiple buffs if your officer was shit) on certain list of players, used seal + judge every 30 seconds, used seal of wisdom, sometimes used heal, sometimes AA. Slight deviations when half of your paladins DCed and you knew what to do.
But yeah, even that was way more complicated than wotlk holy paladin when you could raid using mouse only.

[caervek]

You want Vanilla, Vanilla is Vanilla.

Say goodbye to your favorite addons. - Addons were a thing in Vanilla too
Say goodbye to all options you enjoy right now. - The amount of options has been gradually decreased over the years (have to edit the config file manually now or download addons)
Say goodbye to in-game support - It was better in Vanilla
Say goodbye to achievements, to stats. - Excellent
Say goodbye to Newest Directx - You realise it only boosts FPS right? It doesn't make anything look better (also Mac users don't have it anyway)
Say goodbye to WoWhead, Icyveins, Ranks sites, DPS meter, DBM. - All of them (or equivalents) were around in Vanilla

Not interested in Vanilla servers myself (my main gripe with Legion is no flying and no 10m Mythic) but be honest.

[Armourboy]

Sure.. it was in irrelevant content like 5 man dungeons. In a raid when you was one of 4-6 paladins you did exactly that - used one buff (ok, maybe multiple buffs if your officer was shit) on certain list of players, used seal + judge every 30 seconds, used seal of wisdom, sometimes used heal, sometimes AA. Slight deviations when half of your paladins DCed and you knew what to do.
But yeah, even that was way more complicated than wotlk holy paladin when you could raid using mouse only.

Buffs you kept up with what you were buffing each class, well once they added in greaters anyways. But 5 mans weren't always irrelevant, and in fact stayed so much more for the player base as a whole throughout the expansion. Tier .5 quests ( especially if you had crap luck like I did on drops) had you spending lots of time in there. 45 minute Baron runs were a blast. Mount quests were certainly something different to do that kept people going back.

Yeah sure raiding was much more basic, but frankly it always has been tbh. Now, I'm not even sure there really is anything to do outside of your rotation, which frankly for me is one reason things got pretty stale for a while. I've always enjoyed 5 man content more, well outside of MoP where it was a joke even for a group of freshly dinged players.

[Akka]

Time to put this question to bed.

Love the arrogance of drive-by posters who come and authoritatively declare they're going to give the definite final answer, despite it being a very subjective one contradicted by tons of other answers that they didn't bother to read.

[tyrs ankle]

No that's how you played the class if you were worth a damn. Anyone could play Holy Paladin, not everyone was good at it though. The little things is what separated " it's just 5 spells" and the people that were actually decent. You know unlike today where you still push 5 buttons but there is zero thought as to why.

I like both versions of the game, but lets not act like what we have today is some super great style of play. 99% of it just muscle memory anymore.

Lmao.
Vanilla holy paladin was literally cleanse, FoL and HL. Please write more about boiling water though, like it's astounding how you're overcomplicating this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5wP695sdao
Vanilla holy paladin in the best gear possible at the time. In a 5man. What is he doing?

[Deleted]

Lmao.
Vanilla holy paladin was literally cleanse, FoL and HL. Please write more about boiling water though, like it's astounding how you're overcomplicating this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5wP695sdao
Vanilla holy paladin in the best gear possible at the time. In a 5man. What is he doing?

Don't forget the 5-10 minutes Blessings.

OT: There were no such threads as this. Kappa

[tyrs ankle]

Don't forget the 5-10 minutes Blessings.

OT: There were no such threads as this. Kappa

Yeah we covered the blessings and situational abilities.
This guy is writing his thesis on tying shoelaces here.

[Armourboy]

Lmao.
Vanilla holy paladin was literally cleanse, FoL and HL. Please write more about boiling water though, like it's astounding how you're overcomplicating this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5wP695sdao
Vanilla holy paladin in the best gear possible at the time. In a 5man. What is he doing?

Obviously you didn't play Holy Paladin then if you think that was all there was to the spec.

[Charge me Doctor]

Obviously you didn't play Holy Paladin then if you think that was all there was to the spec.

Obviously you didn't played vanilla if you think that all items in your spellbook were used in relevant content. Seriously, there were people in this very thread advocating wasting mana on "DPS" as "Ret paladin" in vanilla. Like, really?

I know, i know, it was vanilla, information was scarce, people did whatever they want to do and as long as boss died it was considered good, but i don't recall any paladin using anything you mentioned in raids because it was such huge mana dump and all mana was reserved for spamming heals or buffs. Especially in naxx when you didn't had to re-buff (mostly) and had all your almost infinite* mana to spam FoL
(granted that it crits)

[Armourboy]

Obviously you didn't played vanilla if you think that all items in your spellbook were used in relevant content. Seriously, there were people in this very thread advocating wasting mana on "DPS" as "Ret paladin" in vanilla. Like, really?

Of course I don't think that, and I've never stated we used every single thing, in fact I've stated several times the exact opposite. However to this day we still don't use everything in relevant content so its not like from a design stand point that is some odd ball thing that only happened back in Vanilla.

Yes probably 95% of all Paladins that were raiding were Holy, but there were a few that did raid as Ret. Had a guy on our server that was pretty good, and yes he healed as well sometimes, but he would get to DPS just as often. People on the server had a lot of respect for the guy, you saw him everywhere with his trusty Hand of Rag. People always want to think raiding was cut and dry and everyone did exactly the same thing all the time. Yes they might have been outliers, yes they may not have been in world first guilds, but in a group of 40 people 1 person generally wasn't going to make or break you.