Shadow priests heavily overnerfed

[LimunFTW]

I know it's not so important. But you know that will happen in myhthic too if they don't give us at least some kind of aoe buff. Giving us 100-200% multiplier buff to Shadow Crash would bring us closer to mage AoE.

Why do you feel a class needs to excel at everything. You don't need to have heavy AoE, mages have it. You have more ST damage than them so it balances out. Don't whine because you can't be on top on every fight. SP is more than fine now, adding more power to it would make a lot of classes redundant.

[davesignal]

Why do you feel a class needs to excel at everything. You don't need to have heavy AoE, mages have it. You have more ST damage than them so it balances out. Don't whine because you can't be on top on every fight. SP is more than fine now, adding more power to it would make a lot of classes redundant.

Why do you think DPS specs should be bad at important aspects of the game?

Why should one DPS spec be shit at single target, or another at AOE, when they are both important jobs for a DPS? Is Blizzard literally incapable of making an interesting game unless they intentionally hobble a spec in one specific aspect?

It's bullshit. Everything DPS should be competent at everything a DPS is expected to do. Make specs interesting and unique based on how they do their job-- their job being DPSing AOE and ST-- rather than based on what they're shit at.

[Idriss]

its so funny to see priests crying

[Reyuna]

its so funny to see priests crying

Indeed. Shadow has been shitting on everything for months and now they cant domiate everything all the time they are throwing a hissy fit about it. How dare other classes be able to compete with our shadowy overlords!

[ryjkur]

Indeed. Shadow has been shitting on everything for months and now they cant domiate everything all the time they are throwing a hissy fit about it. How dare other classes be able to compete with our shadowy overlords!

I'm not saying we should dominate during AoE phases. Just be closer to other classes with god like AoE.

[Tradu]

Question: are we assuming that none of the raids who did this had any shadow priests? If people are doing this to cheese meters, we should still see shadow priests showing up unless a.) there are no shadow priests in any of these raids, or b.) shadow priests do less damage than other specs in those cheesy raids.

More likely the priests just weren't the ones who were allowed to pad on them.

[LimunFTW]

Why do you think DPS specs should be bad at important aspects of the game?

Why should one DPS spec be shit at single target, or another at AOE, when they are both important jobs for a DPS? Is Blizzard literally incapable of making an interesting game unless they intentionally hobble a spec in one specific aspect?

It's bullshit. Everything DPS should be competent at everything a DPS is expected to do. Make specs interesting and unique based on how they do their job-- their job being DPSing AOE and ST-- rather than based on what they're shit at.

SP is far from bad at doing AoE, as it was significantly buffed. OP was just requesting a thing like keep all the ST goodness SP has and give them firemage-like AoE capabilities. Every spec has its weaknesses and AoE is SPs weakness. It still does a fair amount of DMG on it and is better than some specs at doing AoE, while also being top tier for ST. Fire mage is a spec very hard to evaluate. It can deal immense amounts of damage on AoE but for most of the time that AoE is quite redundant. Example:Xavius,Helya,Dragons, all top tier for fire even though it just spreads his ignite everywhere doing small DMG to everything thus appearing godly on meters, also dragons breath legendary helps a lot with that issue when you can deal 300-600k DMG on Helya to like 25 mobs. Also, giving a spec evaluation by looking at non-mythic logs is absurd. People cheese DMG meters all the time. Also, the game is so imbalanced, and OP is asking for a buff on a class that is considered overpowered by most of community. Quite crazy.

Edit:Even tho SP isn't gamebreaking OP, it is toptier for most of the fights and shines more than any other class. It's ST DMG is more than very good, not the best but quite good, while in cleave fights I can only think of affli warlock having any chance of beating it. AoE isn't as bad as people say it is, and should be hard to do for a DoT based class.

[tiptopmemer]

Spriest has nice AOE after the patch but don't confuse it for an AOE spec like fire mage.

WHy does this meme persist?

Mindsear is harder to use and it does ~25% less damage.

SP is far from bad at doing AoE, as it was significantly buffed. OP was just requesting a thing like keep all the ST goodness SP has and give them firemage-like AoE capabilities. Every spec has its weaknesses and AoE is SPs weakness. It still does a fair amount of DMG on it and is better than some specs at doing AoE, while also being top tier for ST. Fire mage is a spec very hard to evaluate. It can deal immense amounts of damage on AoE but for most of the time that AoE is quite redundant. Example:Xavius,Helya,Dragons, all top tier for fire even though it just spreads his ignite everywhere doing small DMG to everything thus appearing godly on meters, also dragons breath legendary helps a lot with that issue when you can deal 300-600k DMG on Helya to like 25 mobs. Also, giving a spec evaluation by looking at non-mythic logs is absurd. People cheese DMG meters all the time. Also, the game is so imbalanced, and OP is asking for a buff on a class that is considered overpowered by most of community. Quite crazy.

Nice English skills idiot.

Spriest has the lowest AoE of any spec in the game, therefor our single target DPS should be the highest without question.
Encounters should be balanced around the ability to to manipulate other types of damage, like multidot.

[Deleted]

WHy does this meme persist?

Mindsear is harder to use and it does ~25% less damage.

Shadowpriest is a hybrid class...they shouldnt do much dmg in first place compared to pure dps classes.

[Deleted]

Shadowpriest is a hybrid class...they shouldnt do much dmg in first place compared to pure dps classes.

This is just stupid. If that were true, nobody would ever play a hybrid class. Just because a class can spec healer doesn't mean their dps spec should be shit, lol.

[tiptopmemer]

Shadowpriest is a hybrid class...they shouldnt do much dmg in first place compared to pure dps classes.

Kill yourself

[Tahlee]

Shadowpriest is a hybrid class...they shouldnt do much dmg in first place compared to pure dps classes.

Go back to some other forums where statements that register as a 1 out of 10 on the retard meter fall in line with that comment. SP hasn't been a hybrid class in ages. Blizzard seperated that a long time ago when they took away our raid healing cd's. Every dps class for the most part now has their own form of self healing just like a SP.. the only difference is there's DOESN'T put a dot on them after it runs it's use.

As for other people's post about SP's have fantastic ST.. lol. We have "decent" ST now. With the recent nerfs they crushed ST down which made no sense. What sp's do have ATM is fantastic multi-dot capability when mobs are spread. Our AoE is still mediocre at best and we have to sacrifice our ST into the pisser to attain middle of the pack AoE unlike other classes. Buffed in 7.1.5 it was.. then nerfed again in this patch. Wether people pad meters or not on bosses like Scorp... bottom line on that is you look at the top say 400 parses and not a single SP shows up. That goes from 4 mill down to 1 mill dps before a SP finally pops once in there. Shadow doesn't need to have god like AoE like a mage or lock... but a 3 mill difference... that's borederline retarded even on a padded fight for heroic.

I think Shadow is in a decent place atm.. but the nerfs were to much this close to nighthold. It was a knee-jerk reaction to guilds farming 4 months old heroic content with 2 min kill times and people that had 890+ gear.

The dot nerfs severly impact ST, and the 4% baseline nerfs to every other ability was just ... well I have no idea how to make sense of that one. Shadowcrash for eg nerfed by 4%.. I think the recent logs show shadowcrash as being 100% irrelevant for aoe so far as an eg. Couple this with yet another nerf to our legendary a week after they already nerfed it making yet another legendary useless.. gj Blizzard. Couple that with all the recent changes to set pieces for multiple classes... does Blizzard even play this game? Adding vers on 1/2 our gear which no caster in their right mind will take. Get rid of that useless stat already for casters. I just don't understand their logic on showing shit down their playerbases throats.

[LimunFTW]

WHy does this meme persist?
Mindsear is harder to use and it does ~25% less damage.

Again, I think that not every class should excel at everything. The better one thing is the worst other things should be, otherwise we would have 14 SP 4 healers and 2 tanks. Also except ST and AoE there is cleave for which SP is amazing.

[Theed]

Shadowpriest is a hybrid class...they shouldnt do much dmg in first place compared to pure dps classes.

When hybrid classes existed back in Wotlk, people who used that argument were idiots. Now it's just embarrassing.

[LimunFTW]

That goes from 4 mill down to 1 mill dps before a SP finally pops once in there. Shadow doesn't need to have god like AoE like a mage or lock... but a 3 mill difference... that's borederline retarded even on a padded fight for heroic.

C'mon, you make a serious point and then argue about people cheesing the meters. It's obvious that it is a mechanic abuse for the sake of DPS. Even 10 mil difference wouldn't make a valid point since mages Living Bomb scales exponentially and not linearly, so instead of doing 20x times more DMG on 20 mobs, it does 20*20x more DMG. The spell itself is useless in 90% cases since either mobs die too fast for it to actually do full DMG or not enough targets are present for you not to use Flamestrike with flamepatch. That's why HC logs mean nothing. Try that on mythic, you gonna get kicked from the guild for repeatedly wiping the whole group.

[Reyuna]

Good god im enjoying all these shadow tears.

[Rhaxus]

Good god im enjoying all these shadow tears.

Jeez, did you get so used to being pampered as a Mage, that this one time where some other caster is allowed to be strong got you so riled up that you have to wallow in schadenfreude? grow up

[Sockie]

I know it's not so important. But you know that will happen in myhthic too if they don't give us at least some kind of aoe buff. Giving us 100-200% multiplier buff to Shadow Crash would bring us closer to mage AoE.

If this is your answer to fixing the class stop trolling. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Phookah]

Good god im enjoying all these shadow tears.

There are no shadow tears because anyone with half a brain realizes we're still really strong

[Tahlee]

C'mon, you make a serious point and then argue about people cheesing the meters. It's obvious that it is a mechanic abuse for the sake of DPS. Even 10 mil difference wouldn't make a valid point since mages Living Bomb scales exponentially and not linearly, so instead of doing 20x times more DMG on 20 mobs, it does 20*20x more DMG. The spell itself is useless in 90% cases since either mobs die too fast for it to actually do full DMG or not enough targets are present for you not to use Flamestrike with flamepatch. That's why HC logs mean nothing. Try that on mythic, you gonna get kicked from the guild for repeatedly wiping the whole group.

I wasn't talking about mages specifically. I'm talking more so as a whole. Mages aren't even the top dog on say that fight. It's locks. Every other class though still has representation in the top 100.. locks/dks/hunters/druid/warrior etc etc. Fact of the matter is.. Blizzard time and time again has proven they like to balance off of heroic instead of waiting to see how things pan out.

The shitty part about all of this all falls back on StM and how broken it was for 3 months. No priests argured that it wasn't op'd. Most of the community that gave feedback since Beta told them this would hamstring the class. Problem is blizzard just never listens until it's to late. Good thing StM is now useless outside of 3 min farm content.