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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    What was the final result of that situation? That seems insane.
    Well the OCR has affirmed that relying on reasonable person standards or "Common Sense," is a violation of federal law.... soooooo.....

    The OCR is clear, “any unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” is considered harassment and having a "reasonable person," standard violates federal law.

    By all accounts I can find, the "sentence," against Keaton Wahlbon stands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Well the OCR has affirmed that relying on reasonable person standards or "Common Sense," is a violation of federal law.... soooooo.....

    The OCR is clear, “any unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature,” is considered harassment and having a "reasonable person," standard violates federal law.

    By all accounts I can find, the "sentence," against Keaton Wahlbon stands.
    The real question is why did the teacher instantly recognise the nude model's name in order to be able to even be offended.
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    Because fuck you, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapadons View Post
    Federal money makes up like 7-8% of a schools budget. Or that's what it was the last time we had a school discussion on here. May be more now. Mostly they are paid by property tax stolen locally.

    So I'm not quite sure how they intend to defund public schools. I mean an 8% budget cut, if they fully pulled all federal funding would definitely suck balls, and for shit schools in poor districts it would be catastrophic, but we couldn't possibly hope to think all public schools would be shut down in favor of private.
    It's not only that but taking the state money away too. The vouchers (and attendance numbers) decrease how much state tax money gets to go back to their schools. MOST republican state lawmakers have been waiting for this as a signal from on high so that they can cut even more out of the budget for education.

    See Schools work in economies of scale, the school only works efficiently because it has a certain amount of students. When the amount of students goes down the whole process becomes more inefficient and the quality of education goes down. This is why small schools are worst hit by these type of efforts because a change in 10% of the population can mean no new AC for the building or no new Tech for the students. The idea is to have the affluent parents shift their kids from the public schools so their taxes go to the private schools for their kids. This means that the amount of taxes goes down disproportionately because the affluent parents pay more in taxes due to the larger houses. Now the change in 10% attendance hurts the budget from the state and also probably a 20% ding from the lower taxes and you have a huge budget shortfall (90% of the kids but only 70% of the budget). So now that school cannot service their low-income or special needs students as well so those parents, doing what is right by their kids, find a way to get their kids into private schools and the cycle continues until public schools have no money and only the poorest kids are in them.

    Private schools are also largely unaccountable from the state. Some church-based schools are excellent (like the Jesuit ones) others are complete trash teaching religion in science classes, expelling pregnant students or unwed teachers...etc. Now they don't get any oversight and all the money? This will not go over well. Either the DOE says you have to submit to state and federal regs in order to get these vouchers which the religious right will scream "Washington's interfering in private schools!!!!!" or you have schools that are completely unaccountable and thus could be teaching anything they damn well please to kids making their diplomas worthless leading to a class of people unable to go to college or compete in the 21st century workforce (which will be dominated by Bachelor's level+ jobs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    The real question is why did the teacher instantly recognise the nude model's name in order to be able to even be offended.
    It is a curious fact. Though asking that question is also Sexual Harassment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne01 View Post
    Oh ya. tword him and his sexist beliefs about young men. I didnt mean angry in general or at random people on the street. Im mad at a person who disgusted me. duh silly :* and I have no belief what so ever my actions were foolish nor will I feel shame for them in any capacity. If you perceive me as a fool thats understandable but of course I chalk that up to lack of experiencing life as I have. Just as I perceive you to be a fool quite honestly since we are sharing.
    Has anyone pointed out to you yet, in plain English, that what you are frothing at the mouth over isn't Article IX but those surveys you are taking which are not government mandated but more school mandated? So you are blaming the government over something they aren't doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    You explicitly did, what you mean to say is that you didn't intend to. Which is the point I'm making, for the reason why title 9 is being tossed around here. Both of your examples start with title 9 being removed, one is just general and the other is specific to finance.
    In that case, it wasn't intended. What I meant was (Title IX being removed | Education cost of entry lowered) rather than (Title IX being removed so education cost can be lowered).
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    can't everyone just go to private schools like her and her kids...? problem solved.

    sounds like a socialist dream come true, pay everyone to go to private schools


    of course whom is going to build these 10,000,000 private schools that will be needed?



    and i love the idea of paying people for home schooling. no abuse is going to happen there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaben View Post
    Aid to foreign countries is <1% of the total US budget and helps millions of people not die of starvation. Seems like a worthy cause to me. It provides food, vaccinations, and other humanitarian aid and is a drop in the ocean compared to social security, medicaid/care, and defense spending. This stuff is public knowledge, but people still complain about how bad foreign aid is.
    I did say "stupid shit OR Aid", the Stupid shit covers things like pointless Wars around the World and money put into useless endeavors like the amount they pour into subsidising Fossil Fuels.

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    Is there any way to block her appointment? I utterly fail to understand how she has gotten this position. (aside as a reward for the "donatons")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Is there any way to block her appointment? I utterly fail to understand how she has gotten this position. (aside as a reward for the "donatons")
    No and who the fuck cares. Seriously, the education system in the United States is a completely idiotic farce. For as much as we love "america is no 1" we fucking aren't anywhere near no 1 in any k-12 measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    No and who the fuck cares. Seriously, the education system in the United States is a completely idiotic farce. For as much as we love "america is no 1" we fucking aren't anywhere near no 1 in any k-12 measure.
    so let's put someone wholly unqualified to make it better in charge? because fuck it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    It actually is, because it removes a reasonable person standard. I've gone through same training as you, and as a faculty member as well. The OCR's harassment guidelines make no such mention of intention (Which wasn't even in Davis) but the OCR does get rid of any mention of "Reasonable person," I.E. it doesn't matter if its frivolous. For example unintentionally writing a name that is apparently a line of lingerie on a quiz falls under sexual harassment. There actually isn't anything in the letter itself requiring a complaint to be reasonable or objectively offensive, only that it be felt to be harassing by the person lodging the complaint.
    Literally the next line right after the one I bolded talks about the need to evaluate from the perspective of a reasonable person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    No and who the fuck cares. Seriously, the education system in the United States is a completely idiotic farce. For as much as we love "america is no 1" we fucking aren't anywhere near no 1 in any k-12 measure.
    So the answer is to toss it out and go "to each their own!"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnier Fructis View Post
    Literally the next line right after the one I bolded talks about the need to evaluate from the perspective of a reasonable person.
    Yet the Obama administration and the OCR declared doing so to be in violation of federal law.

    … the Sexual Harassment Policy inappropriately stated that "in assessing whether a particular act constitutes sexual harassment forbidden under this policy, the rules of common sense and reason shall prevail. The standard shall be the perspective of a reasonable person within the campus community." This standard falls short of the preponderance of the evidence standard required to satisfy Title IX.

    Reasonable person is dead.
    The OCR's interpretation of Title IX holds the "reasonable person" standard in contempt.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    So the answer is to toss it out and go "to each their own!"?
    Training future generations to fulfill amway pyramid scams is the apparent answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    so let's put someone wholly unqualified to make it better in charge? because fuck it?
    To be clear shes perfectly qualified to lead an educational system with the goal of creating legions of amway suckers
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Yet the Obama administration and the OCR declared doing so to be in violation of federal law.



    Reasonable person is dead.
    The OCR's interpretation of Title IX holds the "reasonable person" standard in contempt.
    You do realize that the criticism the OCR levelled was that the campus policy was too subjective and forgiving, yes? That the "preponderance of the evidence" standard they mandated there is a stronger standard of evidence?

    You are completely misrepresenting your own sources. The issue the OCR was taking was that the "reasonable person" standard in use by Frostburg State University was not impartial or strong enough. They were recommending that claims require stronger evidence, and pointing out that both parties should have the right to present witnesses and evidence.

    It's literally saying that they need evidence to rule there was sexual impropriety, rather than a campus official deciding "yeah, it sounds reasonable" and rubber-stamping it as "proved".

    You've got this pretty thoroughly backwards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Is there any way to block her appointment? I utterly fail to understand how she has gotten this position. (aside as a reward for the "donatons")
    The trump appointees are either appointed as obvious giveaways to various special interests (wallstreet) or are appointed specifically because they will not be effective at their.jobs, rather they will undermine their departments either by incompotence or wilful dismantling. Like Trump they are usefull idiots. Theyve been appointed to insure those departments are utter failures at achieveing any stated goals. Do you think pruet will run the epa? Or.run it into.the ground? How the fuck is ben carson gonna run hud? He even fucking knows hes unqualified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    She won't get the function, she's been exposed as a pretty stupid women in the hearings today.

    Doesn't even know the appropriate education terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    She won't get the function, she's been exposed as a pretty stupid women in the hearings today.

    Doesn't even know the appropriate education terms.
    I mean one can hope right. Its also possible this is the best they could come up with. Maybe they thought they werent gonna win and packed it in until they did win and oh shit we need people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You do realize that the criticism the OCR levelled was that the campus policy was too subjective and forgiving, yes? That the "preponderance of the evidence" standard they mandated there is a stronger standard of evidence?

    You are completely misrepresenting your own sources. The issue the OCR was taking was that the "reasonable person" standard in use by Frostburg State University was not impartial or strong enough. They were recommending that claims require stronger evidence, and pointing out that both parties should have the right to present witnesses and evidence.

    It's literally saying that they need evidence to rule there was sexual impropriety, rather than a campus official deciding "yeah, it sounds reasonable" and rubber-stamping it as "proved".

    You've got this pretty thoroughly backwards.
    How do you live with yourself just spewing deliberate misinformation all the time.

    They mandated the lowest legally allowable standard of evidence, explicitly to make convictions easier.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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