I know it is difficult to imagine, but most people don't care about politics and political allegiances as much as you and some of the other posters in this thread do.
Takes a shitty kind of person to try to justify their shitty behavior by saying if the tables were turned, people who be just as shitty as they are. Wonder what damaged you.
As a warrior, one of our most crucial tasks is... protection. We are the shield of the Horde, and we keep our weaker brethren safe. If you are to join in our ranks, then you must prove your mettle to me. -Veteran Uzzek
Those puns hurt me.
In a kinda good - kinda bad kind of way.
That guy is obviously mentally ill. He is no protester. His political compass is completely irrelevant.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
No matter where you live, you can always find someone who lives better and someone who lives worse. This really isn't an argument. The "much better than most of the rest of the world" isn't that big of an achievement anyway, given that most countries on this planet are corrupt dictatorships with abysmal quality of life.
Pretty much this. The plight / state / living conditions of someone elsewhere in the world are completely irrelevant to your situation. It really does not matter if there are people dying by the thousands in conditions approaching hell on earth in North Korea, because they have absolutely no bearing on someone elses situation halfway around the world in a completely different country.
Trying to say that he had no valid reason to light himself on fire as a form of protest because "person x somewhere else may be worse off then he is" is attempting to create a false equivalency. By that logic, that Monk that burned himself to death was just as stupid because there was probably someone else, in some African or South American shithole suffering worse then his people were.
I do respect his potential right to self identify as a fireball just as i respect peoples right to self identify as a multiple amputee. In both cases i do however think that preventing their self injury or treating their desire to inflict selfinjury in order to achieve said self image should be done
Edit: Actually i do not respect either right.
Edit2: Actually the post you replied to was meant different than expressed. I do not mind people laughing but i do think they should also consider the potential underlying issues
Keeping people as illegals is a way of ensuring you can pay them subpar wages and offer horrible conditions with threats and screaming. One way or another that mess should end
Trump however will not end that mess. He will just help keep the pressure on illegal workers to take lower wages.
You mean neocons who put the exact same policies in place and are owned by the same corporation as the people who took over the Democratic Party and most of the Left are upset because an outsider came in and ruined their cushy throwing the ball back and forth while laughing at people across the spectrum?
Socialism and all it entails and where it leads is about as dead as it's polar opposite and for good reasons.
"Jailing criminals has always been a very calm and peaceful process."
"Enforcing laws has always been a very calm and peaceful process."
etc.
It actually is. If the people who are in said country do not resist being deported. If it becomes violent it usually because of those being deported and not because the process itself is inherently violent or unjust. Even where the non aggression principle is concerned, they were the ones who initiated force to begin with when they forced entry into a country they had no right to enter and forcefully etablished themselves in said country. Which doesn't even include actions they undertook after the fact.
More like this and the future looks bright.
If that is what you think about my position, you have completely missed the point of an entire year of posting on my part.
I want what I want politically because I believe it helps the most people at the most efficiency. These policies that we are all arguing over are about in the end, making for a better country for us and our children. You think I want misery, pain and death upon Trump supporters? I have and continue to want to beat them politically. I want them to understand why they were wrong to believe what they believe. But that's it. As Obama put it, it's intramural. In every other way, I want nothing but the best for them.
This is not abstract. I live this. My best friend in the entire world... someone who is like a brother to me and who I would do anything in the world for, is an ardent Trump supporter. A healthy percentage of my friends are. Others were Bernie Sanders supporters. I strenously disagree with their positions and I think they are badly informed about Donald Trump's agenda. I have occasionally told them as much. But that's... nothing... compared to the importance of their friendship to me. We don't have to agree on everything.
I have long stated that I understood why many people voted for Trump, and why many people supported Bernie Sanders. I think they're wrong and will come to regret it, but they have the freedom to be wrong. I got no problem with the vast majority of Trump supporters who are decent, hardworking Americans who are angered, rightly or wrongly, by our changing country and changing world and see Trump as an agent of restoration. This was not the first nor the last time "Take America Back" worked in an election. There is a reason why it continues to work. It resonates powerfully.
I DO have an issue with Trump supporters and Bernie supporters who wage kamakazi campaigns against this country's future and politics, because they're mad. But that is a small minority of supporters. Even them I would NEVER want die. I would never amuse myself at their physical suffering.
The fact that you think that I would tells me just how far off the reservation you are Theo. We're nothing alike.No offense, but you're something of a fanatic. You've only doubled down on the absurdity of your rhetoric here rather than do the honorable thing and just admit "eh, I said something shitty." Because you know what? We all do. Nobody's record is clean. We all say things we don't mean because we're mad.
But you had your chance, and here you are, trying to say "well if it were Skroe and Bernie, he'd say it to them." Fuck no man. Life is precious. Americans are all one family. Trump and Bernie supporters are my brothers and sisters, even if I think they've been spending the past 18 months doing remarkably stupid things.
So I'll say it again: you should be ashamed of yourself. Your fellow Americans who suffer, for any reason at all, are deserving of compassion, not snide remarks.
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You know what though? I appreciate the compliment, but it shouldn't be necessary. There is nothing wrong with vitriolic disagreement. But the second it comes down to a person's life? What kind of callous, hateful people think that their fellow citizens who they disagree with getting hurt for any reason is OK in order to teach them a lesson. Do they not understand at the very least, that the shoe could be on the other foot in a flash? Or that they feel pain, have families, and have legitimate wants just as they? Political violence, including self-inflicted political violence, is unacceptable.
I'm an atheist. But the behavior of many people in this thread makes an excellent case for what happens when society loses a sense of christian mercy and christian charity. It's a bunch of stupid kids acting like a bunch of wild animals. And we call this "progress".
These people reflect bad parenting, bad upbringing and a society that has lost a sense of brotherhood and where compromise has become a dirty world.
In the end, we all lose.