CoF nerfed to the ground for ret?

[Emerald Archer]

It only does 10-20 sec cooldown reduction... it is just damn near useless now..

It procs more than the 1.2ppm than it was listed as.

Right now, for non-rets, even though it says 4ish ppm, it procs anywhere from 4-12 times in a minute (can do more and less, but that's roughly what i found consistently happens)

And this is as a MM hunter with only 2.6 attack speed.

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It procs more than the 1.2ppm than it was listed as.

Right now, for non-rets, even though it says 4ish ppm, it procs anywhere from 4-12 times in a minute (can do more and less, but that's roughly what i found consistently happens)

We shall see.. If someone have the trinket please do test how much you get on average. But even so they killed the gul'dan trinket with this change.. So back to farming vault and kara <3

[Morally Grey Storm]

There are a lot of people in here who seem to cry like lil babies out of a knee jerk reaction without thinking. The trinket was mind boggingly OP for us, get real. Wings is literally THE thing for us where we do damage, and it increased the uptime by UP TO 50% in the optimal case. All of our damage legendaries pre-7.1.5 utterly paled in comparison. The fact that it's still bis or near bis after this huge nerf should show you that whines are unreasonable in this case.

Mind I remind you of Gur'thalak nerf back then?
Dies it not look familiar at all?
Does it sound like a logical, well thought-out move?
Just like Gur'thalak nerf for Ret specifically, back then?

[Emerald Archer]

We shall see.. If someone have the trinket please do test how much you get on average. But even so they killed the gul'dan trinket with this change.. So back to farming vault and kara <3

My guildy hunter got the trinket from the weekly quest. That's what its proccing per minute.

Also.. Killed it? Dude it's still an amazing trinket, at WORST it's 3rd or 4th best still, sims have been updated since, you obviously don't use the pally discord lol. Maybe you should.

[Matrlx]

Nerfing the trinket for Retribution paladin totally understandable, Wings uptime is hilarious and we are the best bursting class ever i think it still BiS even after the nerf
if it does 20 sec Cooldown reduction : (crusade) 2min - 30 sec ( crusade uptime with only 1 relic ) = 1 min 30 sec - 20 sec (Trinket) = 1min 10 sec .... with 3 wings relics = 1min 5 sec .... it's a reasonable nerf and i adapt it heck we have burst window every 1 min !! what do you need more!?!

[Floopa]

this was b4 nerf.

so it's probably still fine for ret, but it's weird that rogue/ww didnt get touched

[Vuagnon]

Only for ret downfix, lol. There must be a real down syndrome amongst the squad of critters.

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what do you need more!?!

ten more cow levels

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kick in the nuts. next step would be to deactivate ret legendary effects ind raids and m+ for balance reasons

[stolker]

It procs more than the 1.2ppm than it was listed as.

Right now, for non-rets, even though it says 4ish ppm, it procs anywhere from 4-12 times in a minute (can do more and less, but that's roughly what i found consistently happens)

And this is as a MM hunter with only 2.6 attack speed.

PPM scales with haste (directly, 100% haste means 2x the amount of PPM).

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this was b4 nerf.

so it's probably still fine for ret, but it's weird that rogue/ww didnt get touched

And how does the statstick you are comparing it to impact the classes?
Is this a specific stat-stick (so a fixed stat)? Or are we talking best stat-stick per spec (best stat per spec)?

[Floopa]

And how does the statstick you are comparing it to impact the classes?
Is this a specific stat-stick (so a fixed stat)? Or are we talking best stat-stick per spec (best stat per spec)?

afaik 895 + best possible secondary.

[Sandraudiga]

It procs more than the 1.2ppm than it was listed as.

Right now, for non-rets, even though it says 4ish ppm, it procs anywhere from 4-12 times in a minute (can do more and less, but that's roughly what i found consistently happens)

And this is as a MM hunter with only 2.6 attack speed.

It was only nerfed for ret. Logs pre-nerf didn't show it as stupidly op.

[Matrlx]

thought it has 20 sec cool down reduction but no i was wrong
regarding Ret discord the Cool down reduction is now 12-15 sec down from 35-40 sec
don't sim the trinket you'll really get mad it's really useless HOV simmed higher

[Wikiy]

God you people are sissies. The trinket effect was a 12% boost on its own, now it's 8-9%. That's still more than double than any other trinket.

[Matrlx]

you're totally wrong it's more like down to 4%

[Wikiy]

It was only nerfed for ret. Logs pre-nerf didn't show it as stupidly op.

It actually was stupidly OP. The effect on its own was a 12% boost. This, of course, does not warrant a 70% nerf, making it a 4% boost to dps at best, when this is supposed to be the melee OP trinket of Nighthold (since every role seems to have an OP trinket in Nighthold, it's only fair we have one).

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you're totally wrong it's more like down to 4%

You are right. I misread. Thought the proc rate was reduced to 70% of previous value, not BY 70%.

[Morally Grey Storm]

thought it has 20 sec cool down reduction but no i was wrong
regarding Ret discord the Cool down reduction is now 12-15 sec down from 35-40 sec
don't sim the trinket you'll really get mad it's really useless HOV simmed higher

Are you implying they might have done wrong with this very wisest balanced fine tuning?
Tread carefully, for you are nearing the ground of heresy.

This trinket was very good for Ret and from good to very good for other specs.
Now the bug which caused Ret to do damage near top god-mage-warrior-priest-level is fixed, we shall sing the song of greater praise for the infinite wisdom of hugely wise men that are the folk of bzzd.

[Dracodraco]

afaik 895 + best possible secondary.

Sounds about right. 875 (normal) convergence has roughly the same power level as a 860 arcanocrystal or 900 statstick, so assuming we're talking about a 890 convergence, 7-8k ahead vs a 895 mastery seems appropiate.
For MM, ofc.

[Sunfire]

Meh, the problem is not the trinket, the problem is Crusade itself. If Blizzard had tried to get Crusade in line of other talents with 7.1.5 we'd never had the problem now.

Since I don't have the trinket and don't use Crusade anyway, I am less bothered by it than 99% of my fellow Ret brethren

[Matrlx]

It actually was stupidly OP. The effect on its own was a 12% boost. This, of course, does not warrant a 70% nerf, making it a 4% boost to dps at best, when this is supposed to be the melee OP trinket of Nighthold (since every role seems to have an OP trinket in Nighthold, it's only fair we have one).

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You are right. I misread. Thought the proc rate was reduced to 70% of previous value, not BY 70%.

dude i lost 20k dps while simming 895 CoF + DoS from 555k (Odyn trinket + HoV + 2 set bonus ) to 532k ( CoF + DoS + 2 set bonus )

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Are you implying they might have done wrong with this very wisest balanced fine tuning?
Tread carefully, for you are nearing the ground of heresy.

This trinket was very good for Ret and from good to very good for other specs.
Now the bug which caused Ret to do damage near top god-mage-warrior-priest-level is fixed, we shall sing the song of greater praise for the infinite wisdom of hugely wise men that are the folk of bzzd.

the trinket was good yes but it shouldn't get nerfed it to 1.2 PPM it should be 2.4PPM or something like that