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    Quote Originally Posted by Plehnard View Post
    Yeah, that breaks my heart. Hope there will be some kind of redemption for her.
    How the hell do you even redeem ghost of someone crushed by the rock ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    How the hell do you even redeem ghost of someone crushed by the rock ?
    By cleansing her so she can ascend to be with Elune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    By cleansing her so she can ascend to be with Elune.
    Elune didn't seem to care in a first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qualia View Post
    A Fel Grenade in form of a planet might be enough - Mar'duum almost did the trick, Argus with its 20,000 years of gathering Fel might do. Alternatively, if that wasn't enough, power of Azeroth + the Pantheon + Naaru + <add any powerful being on our side here > would as well. Sargeras is powerful, but not so powerful that "no amount of power will be strong enough to counter".
    Azeroth is the kind of titan that Sargeras slices in half with his sword.

    The pantheon got one shot by Sargeras by a fel storm.

    The Naaru can't even defeat a scrublord eredar.

    Sargeras is god like powerful, so it would take a deity (Elune, and I'm sure Void lords are the opposite of Elune) (or us) to stop him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Azeroth is the kind of titan that Sargeras slices in half with his sword.

    The pantheon got one shot by Sargeras by a fel storm.

    The Naaru can't even defeat a scrublord eredar.

    Sargeras is god like powerful, so it would take a deity (Elune, and I'm sure Void lords are the opposite of Elune) (or us) to stop him.
    They did not get 1 shot. People really need to stop that story. It was a long war. Hell even his fight with Aggramar broke both of their weapons before Aggramar retreated to tell the Pantheon. After he had finally gotten the best of the Pantheon THEN he summoned a fel storm to overtake them completely. Please go reread.

    Also even if it was true that he 1 shot them, it was more akin to Dorothy killing the Wicked Witch by throwing water on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    How the hell do you even redeem ghost of someone crushed by the rock ?
    did we see her die? she could have just been trapped in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    How the hell do you even redeem ghost of someone crushed by the rock ?
    Tehnicaly you never see Naisha die in War3... and that's enough for Blizzard to pull some crazy Warden survival tehnique

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Azeroth is the kind of titan that Sargeras slices in half with his sword.

    The pantheon got one shot by Sargeras by a fel storm.

    The Naaru can't even defeat a scrublord eredar.

    Sargeras is god like powerful, so it would take a deity (Elune, and I'm sure Void lords are the opposite of Elune) (or us) to stop him.
    Not really, you seems to have quite a few misunderstanding in regards to lore.

    Firstly, Azeroth is supposed to be the most powerful Titan / being in the universe based on Chronicle. Although that was before FelSargeras appeared, with that said Azeroth's power can be as high as Blizzard want it to be. At very least, she is supposedly more powerful than Sargeras before affected by Fel, and she is powerful enough that Archimonde thought that by draining the power of the second Well of Eternity and the World Tree (which in sum weren't even entire Azeroth's power), his power would have been able to rival that of Sargeras. In other words, a part of Azeroth's power was supposedly strong enough to turn someone who was the equivalent of an ant to Sargeras into a being rival him. Think about it.

    Secondly, the Pantheon never got one shot'd by Sargeras. Why is this keep being repeated here and then? The only one who was one-shot'd was Aggramar, and it wasn't because he was much weaker than Sargeras - it was because he naively approached Sargeras defenselessly trying to talk. Sargeras outmatched Aggramar, but not to the extend that he could have one-shot'd him in a fair fight as their previous battle showed. The rest of the Pantheon were never one shot'd by Sargeras' Fel Storm either. They fought Sargeras long enough that their battle destroyed most of the Legion and many stars. Sargeras gradually weakened the Pantheon with fel, before finishing them with the Fel Storm. We don't call that one-shotting, as one shotting implying finishing the fight with, well, one shot - it wasn't the case with the Pantheon.

    Thirdly, lore-wise, the power of the Naaru while not being among the top hitters, is still pretty high up there. A'dal, for example, was supposed to be able to destroy cities and mountains at will. Xe'ra rescued Illidan from magic of Kil'Jaeden seemingly effortlessly, and were many times more powerful than A'dal as Illidan observed. T'uure sacrificed itself and created a massive holy nova covering an entire planet, removed all void corruption and banished Dimensius. They not doing anything significant in-game doesn't mean they are weak (lore-wise) as PiS is pretty much a thing (otherwise, Archimonde would have destroyed Draenor the moment he stepped there). Of course, they are not anywhere near significant to Sargeras, but any little bit help.

    Now consider this: in the best case, we have Azeroth (whose power should / could rival Sargeras if Blizzard want to), the Pantheon (who are only a bit below Sargeras and significantly above anything else in-game) and the Naaru - all those beings one way or another empower us and our artifacts (temporarily, of course, since we can't be so brokenly powerful all the time). Throw in an Argus exploding and unleashing all its Fel power on his face as well. Do you still think we can't match Sargeras? Yes, Sargeras is god-like powerful. However, so what? That doesn't mean he can't be defeated - we just need to become gods ourselves. It's far from impossible, although I'd prefer it to be a quest chain much longer and grander than something constrained in two patches. Us defeating Sargeras in his full might might not be done, but it isn't something that can't be done with current lore.

    Lastly, the Void Lords' powers are still a big "?" at the moment. There is no indication that they were or are more powerful than Sargeras. We knew from Chronicle that they were envious of the Titans' power. Additionally, the most powerful among them manifested in our universe. Sargeras found them out, realized they were way more powerful than the demons and were concerned about the meaning of their existences, but he never bothered to stop his war with demons and just decided that he'd face the Void Lords after that. In comparison to his reaction when he found out that the power of the Void can corrupt and give birth to the Void Titan (immediately stop his war and summoned the Pantheon), it doesn't seem like Sargeras were that much afraid of the strength of those most powerful ones among the Void Lords, and more about their dark, corruptive nature instead. Although, I'd give the Void Lords the benefit of doubt and put them as a "?" as they are the big bad at the moment, and they haven't been shown much in game or novels so there are still rooms for Blizzard to make them more powerful than their description in Chronicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    did we see her die? she could have just been trapped in
    Being crushed to death is natural conclusion to being trapped and abandoned in collapsing tunnel. Unless she used to ancient chinese secret to self-mummify and preserve herself in small closed space waiting for help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Being crushed to death is natural conclusion to being trapped and abandoned in collapsing tunnel. Unless she used to ancient chinese secret to self-mummify and preserve herself in small closed space waiting for help.
    when a tunnel collapses it doesent completly fill... thats the whole point... i doudt were going to go in and every square foot of the place is FULL of rocks... when a collapse happens the whole thing doesent fill, it usually has a small collapse blocking certain areas off...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post

    Sargeras is god like powerful, so it would take a deity (Elune, and I'm sure Void lords are the opposite of Elune) (or us) to stop him.
    He should stand trial in Pandaria, even Titans gone bad deserve proper trial...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Have some imagination, we could blow up Argus in his face or something, there's things we could do that don't involve poking him to death.

    But stop trying to imagine a situation in which we never face him, its been fucking long enough. It's about time, anyway I'm not interested in having the same conversation AGAIN.
    ^ What he says, we always have these same conversations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    when a tunnel collapses it doesent completly fill... thats the whole point... i doudt were going to go in and every square foot of the place is FULL of rocks... when a collapse happens the whole thing doesent fill, it usually has a small collapse blocking certain areas off...
    It may not completely fill, but all that matters is how much space is betwen floor, you and rocks. And those rocks seem to fall everywhere. And are hard to dodge. They also...i dunno...cut the fresh air ? No water ? No food ? I mean other sentinels wouldn't last her for long. And she was there for a good 10 years. Unless you think she could survive on elunes love alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Sargeras is god like powerful, so it would take a deity (Elune, and I'm sure Void lords are the opposite of Elune) (or us) to stop him.
    Just saw Rogue One the other day, great movie. It's about this Deathstar/Battlestation that's effing massive and shoot this laser that blows shit up and it only used a fraction of it's powers and this group that's trying to find the plans to it. I dont see how the Rebels could ever defeat such a thing like that, but I really hope they do. Maybe they'll make a sequel or something, find this OB1 guy and figure out a way to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bathory View Post
    I think we'll just send him back to Argus, where we'll kill him for good.


    Also NAISHA, FUCK YEAH! Love that!
    How about we kill him and send him back to the twisting nether, where he chokes on a hot dog, killing him offscreen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    It may not completely fill, but all that matters is how much space is betwen floor, you and rocks. And those rocks seem to fall everywhere. And are hard to dodge. They also...i dunno...cut the fresh air ? No water ? No food ? I mean other sentinels wouldn't last her for long. And she was there for a good 10 years. Unless you think she could survive on elunes love alone.
    we know night elves can live insane amounts of time without food or water, again a "collapsing tunnel" doesent mean the whole place will fucking collapse, it just means anywhere COULD collapse... and no it will not allways cut fresh air
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    we know night elves can live insane amounts of time without food or water, again a "collapsing tunnel" doesent mean the whole place will fucking collapse, it just means anywhere COULD collapse... and no it will not allways cut fresh air
    You are trying way too hard. With your logic we can assume that she teleported out, spent last 10 years relaxing in uldum and recently returned only to get corrupted. I mean it is possible after all.

    Let's be real. We have god knows how deep tunnel, and escape part of this mission clearly shows that whole thing was collapsing, mostly due to not being too stable after all that lifting from the sea floor. And she was trapped on the very dead end of it. And we see rocks falling all over them smashing night elves into meaty bits.

    33:00 for reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    You are trying way too hard. With your logic we can assume that she teleported out, spent last 10 years relaxing in uldum and recently returned only to get corrupted. I mean it is possible after all.

    Let's be real. We have god knows how deep tunnel, and escape part of this mission clearly shows that whole thing was collapsing, mostly due to not being too stable after all that lifting from the sea floor. And she was trapped on the very dead end of it. And we see rocks falling all over them smashing night elves into meaty bits.

    33:00 for reference.
    omfg a few tiny rocks and flecks of dust are falling from the sky... again how fucking impossible is it that she survives the collapse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Elune didn't seem to care in a first place.
    Not like she existed in the first place. *Pisses off every Nelf fan/Nelf EVER*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qualia View Post
    Not really, you seems to have quite a few misunderstanding in regards to lore.

    Firstly, Azeroth is supposed to be the most powerful Titan / being in the universe based on Chronicle. Although that was before FelSargeras appeared, with that said Azeroth's power can be as high as Blizzard want it to be. At very least, she is supposedly more powerful than Sargeras before affected by Fel, and she is powerful enough that Archimonde thought that by draining the power of the second Well of Eternity and the World Tree (which in sum weren't even entire Azeroth's power), his power would have been able to rival that of Sargeras. In other words, a part of Azeroth's power was supposedly strong enough to turn someone who was the equivalent of an ant to Sargeras into a being rival him. Think about it.

    Secondly, the Pantheon never got one shot'd by Sargeras. Why is this keep being repeated here and then? The only one who was one-shot'd was Aggramar, and it wasn't because he was much weaker than Sargeras - it was because he naively approached Sargeras defenselessly trying to talk. Sargeras outmatched Aggramar, but not to the extend that he could have one-shot'd him in a fair fight as their previous battle showed. The rest of the Pantheon were never one shot'd by Sargeras' Fel Storm either. They fought Sargeras long enough that their battle destroyed most of the Legion and many stars. Sargeras gradually weakened the Pantheon with fel, before finishing them with the Fel Storm. We don't call that one-shotting, as one shotting implying finishing the fight with, well, one shot - it wasn't the case with the Pantheon.

    Thirdly, lore-wise, the power of the Naaru while not being among the top hitters, is still pretty high up there. A'dal, for example, was supposed to be able to destroy cities and mountains at will. Xe'ra rescued Illidan from magic of Kil'Jaeden seemingly effortlessly, and were many times more powerful than A'dal as Illidan observed. T'uure sacrificed itself and created a massive holy nova covering an entire planet, removed all void corruption and banished Dimensius. They not doing anything significant in-game doesn't mean they are weak (lore-wise) as PiS is pretty much a thing (otherwise, Archimonde would have destroyed Draenor the moment he stepped there). Of course, they are not anywhere near significant to Sargeras, but any little bit help.

    Now consider this: in the best case, we have Azeroth (whose power should / could rival Sargeras if Blizzard want to), the Pantheon (who are only a bit below Sargeras and significantly above anything else in-game) and the Naaru - all those beings one way or another empower us and our artifacts (temporarily, of course, since we can't be so brokenly powerful all the time). Throw in an Argus exploding and unleashing all its Fel power on his face as well. Do you still think we can't match Sargeras? Yes, Sargeras is god-like powerful. However, so what? That doesn't mean he can't be defeated - we just need to become gods ourselves. It's far from impossible, although I'd prefer it to be a quest chain much longer and grander than something constrained in two patches. Us defeating Sargeras in his full might might not be done, but it isn't something that can't be done with current lore.

    Lastly, the Void Lords' powers are still a big "?" at the moment. There is no indication that they were or are more powerful than Sargeras. We knew from Chronicle that they were envious of the Titans' power. Additionally, the most powerful among them manifested in our universe. Sargeras found them out, realized they were way more powerful than the demons and were concerned about the meaning of their existences, but he never bothered to stop his war with demons and just decided that he'd face the Void Lords after that. In comparison to his reaction when he found out that the power of the Void can corrupt and give birth to the Void Titan (immediately stop his war and summoned the Pantheon), it doesn't seem like Sargeras were that much afraid of the strength of those most powerful ones among the Void Lords, and more about their dark, corruptive nature instead. Although, I'd give the Void Lords the benefit of doubt and put them as a "?" as they are the big bad at the moment, and they haven't been shown much in game or novels so there are still rooms for Blizzard to make them more powerful than their description in Chronicle.
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    This...oh so very much this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    omfg a few tiny rocks and flecks of dust are falling from the sky... again how fucking impossible is it that she survives the collapse?
    A night elf. Next to her. Turns into purple meat and bone. Before our very eyes.
    "The goddess will light out path to the hereafter" - sounds like you are right, it was just the tiny rocks and dust. And hell you are right fel, its very likely that she survived that. Maybe some nice demons or naga gave her a hand and treated her back to health.

    Also that night elf exploding into meat and bone surely was just a spontaneous explosive ending.

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