It's official, President Trump takes over.

[Mormolyce]

Just to witness the mass amount of tantrum and tears from those on the left was worth whatever happens next.

A mass amount of tantrums and tears from the right when he actually tries to put his "policies" into practice?

[NED funded]

So why is this particular individual struggling so much to find work? There are also social safety nets to help. People that get to this point are much bigger fuck ups at least than "everybody else".

Safety nets are weak in the US and thats not counting the side effects it has like welfare traps. As Wells pointed out nations with better social safety nets tend to have less crime.

"This explains the things except for the things it doesn't explain which also happen to be the most important things"

Unless the majority of crime is done because of complicated love lifes and the majority of those individuals are either psycopaths and/or socipaths I fail to see the relevance of this.

Huh, not being able to comprehend abstract ideas and failing to plan ahead. It's almost like there's something more that leads to this situation than simply being poor.

No its more of a scenario in which the individual weights the costs of his crime vs the reward. Poverty tends to make the reward much more desirable.

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Sure, but you'll also notice that crime still exists in nations with extremely strong safety nets that also provide free education so everyone has an opportunity to get on a decent career path. Why do they still have plenty of crime?


Criminality is rational or it isn't. That includes violent crime.


The consequences of crime are far more severe than the minor ones of vices. Not everyone cares about living to old age.

Because the model I presented you has crime related to acquiring money. Change wage with another thing the criminal gets utility from and it still is a utility maximization function.

[bergmann620]

Sure, but you'll also notice that crime still exists in nations with extremely strong safety nets that also provide free education so everyone has an opportunity to get on a decent career path. Why do they still have plenty of crime?

Better doesn't mean perfect, and it doesn't protect against people that have personality disorders and /or crimes of passion.

Criminality is rational or it isn't. That includes violent crime.

Why? Because you say so? You do realize that there are different levels of rationality across the human spectrum, right? People that have different personalities and intelligences?

The consequences of crime are far more severe than the minor ones of vices. Not everyone cares about living to old age.

They can be. They can also be far more enjoyable. And, as you say, not everyone cares about living to old age.

[Allerius]

It also makes sense if you had a criminal record from a young age and /or the area you live in has a 25% unemployment rate and / or your school has a 30% graduation rate and / or you have a much higher chance of being convicted based on insufficient counsel even if you managed to stay innocent.

When you are unable to perceive a law-abiding, societally acceptable way forward, crime seems like a decent risk. Worst case, you end up getting fed regularly and you get medical care.

Stay in school, the education is free until post-secondary and at that point you can get loans to cover you. Ironically enough the schools with the lowest graduation rates are the easiest to graduate from with good grades for people that actually give a shit.

As for criminal records ruining prospects, that just sounds like more of a reason for crime not paying off. You won't get convicted if you don't do anything.

Safety nets are weak in the US and thats not counting the side effects it has like welfare traps. As Wells pointed out nations with better social safety nets tend to have less crime.

And yet safety nets don't prevent crime and plenty of people of means commit crime as well.

Unless the majority of crime is done because of complicated love lifes and the majority of those individuals are either psycopaths and/or socipaths I fail to see the relevance of this.

So you think all violent crime is from love lives and psycopathy?


No its more of a scenario in which the individual weights the costs of his crime vs the reward. Poverty tends to make the reward much more desirable.

[Volardelis]

He already did in his first hour as president more than obama did in 8 years so he is off to a good start

The phrasing of this sentence makes no sense.

He already did what?

[Themanintobuildafire]

What is irritating me is people actually CRYING ... physically CRYING that he won and is now president.

Like holy fuck. People at work are doing that and I have to hold back from telling them to grow the fuck up.

If you don't like the way democracy works, immigrate to China or the Middle East!

[Deleted]

So guys will you laugh more if he manages to build the wall or when he realizes he can't?

[Jimusmc]

great time for america. the failure is out of the White House.

and america comes first again, then other countries.

great time to be an american.

[Radaney]

So guys will you laugh more if he manages to build the wall or when he realizes he can't?

Yes. 10char.

[Deleted]

Yes. 10char.

Nice. 10char.

[Turaska]

Awesome, just ran out of stuff to watch on Netflix - America the Series should make for some good viewing.

[May90]

I don't know if that's going to happen. When people very strongly identify with a cause/individual they will make a whole lot of logical errors to make the cause/individual continue to fit their worldview, even when evidence to the contrary appears. People are not rational beings that are swayed by credible outside evidence, unless it's about something that they're not all that emotionally invested in.

Trump would have to make a lot of missteps to have that confidence in his supporter base erode. It could happen...maybe. Not sure if it will happen during his first term.

I think this is only true for a small minority of people - which tend to infest online forums, since in real life nobody really wants to listen to their ideas, so we see a larger representation of them here than overall in the world/country. Most people supporting him are just misguided, they bought into his populist rhetoric, but they don't feel all that strongly about the issues. Much like with Bush, who was abandoned even by his most faithful supporters soon after he's done some things almost no one approves of.

Trump is going to screw up much bigger than Bush, so... I think even not getting impeached in the 4 years would be quite an achievement for him.

[bergmann620]

What is irritating me is people actually CRYING ... physically CRYING that he won and is now president.

Like holy fuck. People at work are doing that and I have to hold back from telling them to grow the fuck up.

If you don't like the way democracy works, immigrate to China or the Middle East!

Generally, you're not supposed to lose civil rights once you've gained them in this country. He will be potentially appointed and AG and SCJ's that have a chance of reversing that trend. The people affected, and their loved ones, have every right to be upset by those prospects.

[Wyrt]

If you don't like the way democracy works, immigrate to China or the Middle East!

Democracy is the one where the person with less votes wins?

[bergmann620]

Stay in school, the education is free until post-secondary and at that point you can get loans to cover you. Ironically enough the schools with the lowest graduation rates are the easiest to graduate from with good grades for people that actually give a shit.

Ahh, so you're one of the ones that think kids magically raise themselves! Good to know.

As for criminal records ruining prospects, that just sounds like more of a reason for crime not paying off. You won't get convicted if you don't do anything.

So, outside of you being demonstrably wrong about the bolded part, you do understand that the human brain isn't fully developed until years after we start charging people as adults, right? You can't drink a beer until 21, but you can be tried as an adult as young as 13 in some places.

And yet safety nets don't prevent crime and plenty of people of means commit crime as well.

Once again, you have to look at the motivations. People actually have a bunch of them.

So you think all violent crime is from love lives and psycopathy?

And hardened repeat offenders and drug users. I'm sure there are several other groups. 'Violent crime' is also a huge grouping that includes tons of crimes with a profit motive.

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Democracy is the one where the person with less votes wins?

Boom goes the dynamite.

[ArmYourself]

Now to sit back, relax and watch the fireworks. Here's to a fun four years.

8 years.

Liberal tears are the best tears. Maybe they can sell them to buy healthcare when the tax payers cut them loose?

[Surfd]

Wishing for Presidents to fail is just...weird. Wishing for policies to fail, ok. A Presidency in general? That's just silly, because that assures even good things dont get done.

If you could name ONE good thing that might actually get done while Trump is president, you might have a point. As it stands though, the team he has in place looks about ready to set the country back half a century in just about every place they can get their hands into, while at least 70% of the people he wants appointed to positions are completely unsuited to actually running them, and there is a good chance that the only people who are going to see any benefit at all from whatever they do manage to do are going to be the 1% and the big corporations.

Oh, and dont forget, Trump's government actually has to, you know, govern. Which is going to be fun, considering huge swaths of positions needed to make it run are currently vacant, since his administration basically told everybody installed under Obama that they were not staying on after the transition, while simultaneously having nobody ready to fill many of the positions being vacated.

[bergmann620]

8 years.

Liberal tears are the best tears. Maybe they can sell them to buy healthcare when the tax payers cut them loose?

There is no 'cutting them loose'. Do you think a hospital CEO is going to take a loss because more people are coming in through the E.R. and not paying? Hell no. He's going to raise the price on that MRI from $800 to $1600, and the 'taxpayer's insurance premiums are going to go up another 18%.

[Eldar45]

Democracy is the one where the person with less votes wins?

Well, we aren't a democracy. We are Constitutional Federal Republic. Each state votes for a candidate, not the people directly. And that is because each state is an individual nation within the Federation.

The original idea was that each state would essentially govern itself with the Federal government protecting the rights of the people in those states.


The election worked exactly as it is intended. The majority of states voted against the minority of the states.

[ArmYourself]

There is no 'cutting them loose'. Do you think a hospital CEO is going to take a loss because more people are coming in through the E.R. and not paying? Hell no. He's going to raise the price on that MRI from $800 to $1600, and the 'taxpayer's insurance premiums are going to go up another 18%.

Premiums went up more in the years since Obamacare was passed than in the combined previous 20.