Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[Soeroah]

We did have faith that the American people would be smart enough to not elect Trump though, so my faith in our ability to do anything, even something like recover our image, is starting to waver. Please, give me something that can revive my hope in this nation's ability to course correct.

That's how many outside the US feel, too. We didn't think Trump would seriously get elected, we were certain the majority of Americans would see through his act. As the election got closer we got more concerned, and after it we hoped the electoral college would do its job and block him and his cabinet.

I guess technically the majority of voting Americans did see through it, as bad as Clinton could be, but Trump's victory is concerning for the rest of the world just as it is for the US itself. People have never felt so aware of the POTUS being the strongest position in the world as they are now that it's in the hands of a narcissistic demagogue. The guy can affect other country's outlooks and stability by his own fucking three AM thin-skin-fueled tweets.

Someone earlier in the thread said it's amazing how Trump's detractors don't realise why his campaign worked. That's not true. We know exactly why it worked, and that's why we're depressed and in many cases fearful. It's not that we don't realise why he won, it's that his supporters don't realise the extent of the damage Trump can, and most likely will, do in office. It's not just a matter of political opinion, it's a real problem.

No one will be happier if Trump turns out to be a good President than those ragging on him, but the promises he's most likely to keep are the most destructive, and the ones he'll break will line his own pockets in a mockery of the concept of self interest.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I think the reaction to every election in my life time (both in the UK and in the US) will be considered a stain.

Lets just recap the American ones in particular.

When Obama was elected, we saw the true colours of the morons of the right. Calling in the apocalypse, claims that everyone will move to canada, calling him a coon, saying white slavery is coming, calling him a secret muslim, making a big deal out of obama looking like osama, trying to say he wasnt even an American.

And what happened? Well, the apocalypse didn't happen. White slavery didn't happen. He didn't reveal himself to be a secret Muslim. No one gave a shit about his name, and in fact, he was the president that took Osama down. He also proved he was American with his birth certificate

Now Trump is elected, and we see the true colours of the morons of the left. Calling in the apocalypse, claims that everyone will move to canada, calling him a sexist, claiming black slavery is coming, calling him a secret Nazi, making a big deal out of his german heritage, trying to say he is a sex offender.

And what happened? Well, a good chunk of American said "fuck you" to all those retards, and voted for him, and now hes in office. What is more likely, that half your country just voted in a Nazi Slaver, who hates all races except white, who hates and sexually assaults women on the daily... or you could be over reacting? The exact same way the right did in 2008.

"If X wins i'm moving to Canada"

*X wins*

"Ahh on second though, my word is worth shit, i'll just stay where I am and call people sex offenders, racists and nazis"

Humanity is actually disgusting.

And yes, its the exact same thing here in the UK

I agree with this. Idiots will be idiots and hypocrites will be hypocrites.

I remember the liberals calling for Trump supporters to deal with the elections ' results. What a bunch of hypocrites.

At least they're not a majority. I won't do the mistake of generalizing all democrats with these idiots who do everything in their power to hurt and create problems.

[Machismo]

And yes, America is a joke to the rest of the world right now. It's not just because Trump won, but the amazing amount of ignorance that was displayed by Americans on a daily basis. You had people on both sides believing everything they saw, and celebrating their own willful ignorance.

[Sliske]

"Texas will secede if Obama wins!"

*obama wins*

"Uhhh, well, America isn't so bad I GUESS"



"California will secede if Trump wins!"

*trump wins*

"Uhhh, well, America isn't so bad I GUESS"

[TriHard]

Nobody knows until we've seen Trump in action.

[Skroe]

Can't hand in anything if they are dead. Nuclear strike on the islamic/muslim world should be a viable option. Nuke Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE and others will kneel. Once they kneel you know the issue is handled. If they don't kneel nuke them all. From the ashes we will build a better world, a western world!

I like Trump have zero no issues with killing terrorists, their family and extended family! You can't be diplomatic with savages you need to answer to what they understand!

Given Eastern Europe's history of truly first class brutality, I shouldn't be surprised to read a post like this. Alas I am.

What you've described is comprehensively a war crime, a crime against humanity, and wouldn't even work. Moral authority matters.

Don't believe me? Here's the guy fighting the actual war against ISIS.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...atters-how-you

Army Lt. General Sean MacFarland, the U.S. commander directing the fight against Islamic terrorists in Iraq and Syria, says the United States is "bound by the rules of armed conflict," so "indiscriminate bombing" is out of the question.

"At the end of the day, it doesn't only matter whether or not you win, it matters how you win," Gen. McFarland told reporters by teleconference from Iraq on Monday.

Quoting Winston Churchill, McFarland also said the U.S. is "closer to the end of the beginning of this campaign than we are to the beginning of the end."

A reporter told the general, "People begin to ask the question, so why isn't the U.S. military just engaging in so-called carpet bombing in Iraq, in Syria? ...The theory goes, if you would just do something like that, this would go much quicker."

You know, as I mentioned earlier, we are bound by the laws of armed conflict," McFarland responded. "And, you know, at the end of the day, it doesn't only matter whether or not you win, it matters how you win. And we're the United States of America, and we have a set of guiding principles and those affect the way we as professional soldiers, airmen, sailors, Marines, conduct ourselves on the battlefield.

"So indiscriminate bombing, where we don't care if we're killing innocents or combatants, is just inconsistent with our values. And it's what the Russians have been accused of doing in parts of northwest Syria. Right now we have the moral high ground, and I think that's where we need to stay."

Earlier in the briefing, McFarland explained that the U.S. tries to minimize the potential loss of innocent life with every air strike it conducts.

"So we have these very sophisticated programs, computer programs, to look at density of urban terrain, and we and look at the weaponeering of our -- of our aircraft and the bombs that they drop to be as precise as we possibly can. And when we hit these targets, I mean, we'll drop multiple bombs through the same hole and completely contain the destructive effects within the confines of that building.

"That's the kind of precision that we bring to a fight, and we use that every single day, our airmen do, with their incredible skill and courage to protect the lives of innocent civilians even while we are degrading the finances of these terrible, terrible people known as ISIL."

Without moral authority, without rules, without a positive approach, we're just another group of well armed thugs.

The Hatred you've evidence in this shocking post of yours has never and will never amount to anything or build anything.

[Sliske]

And yes, America is a joke to the rest of the world right now. It's not just because Trump won, but the amazing amount of ignorance that was displayed by Americans on a daily basis. You had people on both sides believing everything they saw, and celebrating their own willful ignorance.

this happens in literally every country on Earth (democracies anyway)

the difference is American politics are televised worldwide, most other countries' arent.

As a guy from Northern Ireland, Trump looks like a genius compared to the guys they parade on tv here, Ireland and the UK in general.

I'm sure any German or French or shit, how about an Australian guy would love to chime in about how their politicians are absolute geniuses compared to "murika"

[Machismo]

this happens in literally every country on Earth (democracies anyway)

the difference is American politics are televised worldwide, most other countries' arent.

As a guy from Northern Ireland, Trump looks like a genius compared to the guys they parade on tv here, Ireland and the UK in general.

I'm sure any German or French or shit, how about an Australian guy would love to chime in about how their politicians are absolute geniuses compared to "murika"

If Trump looks like a genius compared to the guys you see in your country, I mourn for your country. I see Trump as a snake oil salesmen and a third-rate circus ringmaster. Worse yet, I genuinely question the intellect of most of his supporters.

To be fair, I also think the same about Hillary, which is what makes this so bad. People could have chosen anyone, and they picked the two worst possible candidates. That is a special kind of stupid right there.

[Sliske]

If Trump looks like a genius compared to the guys you see in your country, I mourn for your country. I see Trump as a snake oil salesmen and a third-rate circus ringmaster. Worse yet, I genuinely question the intellect of most of his supporters.

To be fair, I also think the same about Hillary, which is what makes this so bad. People could have chosen anyone, and they picked the two worst possible candidates. That is a special kind of stupid right there.

You can't think of bigger idiots than trump in american politics?

I find that hard to believe

[Cthulhu 2020]

I love all the partisan people on here blaming the other side of the aisle for being partisan and divisive. Seriously, the level of cognitive dissonance is truly monumental. The two-party system is designed to create divisiveness, that's how both parties survive. Stop hating the other side, and hate the people who are brainwashing you.

They are?

Man, all the way up to 2008, Democrats and Republicans managed to always find common ground, even among their differences. Cooperation and compromise were the name of the game. Even if they had their differences, they knew that America always came first, and that together, we were stronger.

Then sometime in 2008, Republicans decided that letting Democrats have anything they wanted was the worst thing since Jesus's death and Hitler. "We get 100% of what we want and you get 0% of what you want, or else we're shutting the government down!"

Maybe someday, Republicans will wake up and decide that cooperation, rather than divisiveness is how to make America great. In the mean time, I guess their new leader Putin, who is controlling Trump's puppet strings, will titillate their fantasies.

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You can't think of bigger idiots than trump in american politics?

I find that hard to believe

Not really. There certainly are more DANGEROUS people than Trump, but the reason they're more dangerous is precisely because they're not idiots. Pence isn't an idiot, but he is a religious zealot.

[Skroe]

If Trump looks like a genius compared to the guys you see in your country, I mourn for your country. I see Trump as a snake oil salesmen and a third-rate circus ringmaster. Worse yet, I genuinely question the intellect of most of his supporters.

To be fair, I also think the same about Hillary, which is what makes this so bad. People could have chosen anyone, and they picked the two worst possible candidates. That is a special kind of stupid right there.

Hey don't forget the other big guy was a septuagenarian self-described socialist who somehow, according to his foaming at the mouth rabid groupies, would somehow win in a country where socialism is a four letter word. Yes of course, it makes no sense, But they didn't really care.

The fact that on the Democratic side, the main candidates were a 70 year old ex-first lady and public figure for 30 years, and on the Republican side the main candidates were an all-star team of crazies who said crazy things, plus Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, just illustrates the incredible leadership deficit this country is experiencing.

The Democratic bench was looted and pillaged by Barack Obama to service his administration. It will take years to rebuild it. One of Hillary's key tasks would have been TO rebuild it.

The Republican bench has been in turmoil ever since the Bush Administration's list of failures wiped out the careers of an entire generation of Republicans, which opened the dour to the Tea Party, extremists and ultimately Donald Trump. The inmates took over the asylum because the guards said "fuck politics".

Maybe post-Donald Trump, we'll give a new look to leaders on the right and the left who aren't fossils, or nut jobs.

[Machismo]

You can't think of bigger idiots than trump in american politics?

I find that hard to believe

It's not just about being an idiot, we have bigger idiots. I cannot think of a bigger charlatan, or someone who is more fake and disingenuous than he is (except for maybe Hillary). The worst part about it all, is that there are so many people who support him (and her).

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Hey don't forget the other big guy was a septuagenarian self-described socialist who somehow, according to his foaming at the mouth rabid groupies, would somehow win in a country where socialism is a four letter word. Yes of course, it makes no sense, But they didn't really care.

The fact that on the Democratic side, the main candidates were a 70 year old ex-first lady and public figure for 30 years, and on the Republican side the main candidates were an all-star team of crazies who said crazy things, plus Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, just illustrates the incredible leadership deficit this country is experiencing.

The Democratic bench was looted and pillaged by Barack Obama to service his administration. It will take years to rebuild it. One of Hillary's key tasks would have been TO rebuild it.

The Republican bench has been in turmoil ever since the Bush Administration's list of failures wiped out the careers of an entire generation of Republicans, which opened the dour to the Tea Party, extremists and ultimately Donald Trump. The inmates took over the asylum because the guards said "fuck politics".

Maybe post-Donald Trump, we'll give a new look to leaders on the right and the left who aren't fossils, or nut jobs.

You are right, I consider Bernie supporters to be almost as ignorant as Trump supporters. I'd settle for a politician who was consistent in his stances, and wasn't a huge hypocrite.

[derpkitteh]

I have yet to see anyone quantify this. Hillary and the DNC shared some emails that they didn't want Bernie to win.

Still waiting for someone to explain what cheating went on.

I'm someone who voted for Bernie in the primary, and hoped that he'd win it. But I'm under no salty delusions that cheating occurred. He lost. Even without super delegates, he lost. People say "if the super delegates had voted how they really wanted, he would have won", but they talked to all of the super delegates, and most of them still said that they indeed wanted to vote for Hillary, so they were wrong about that as well.

So is there ever going to be any proof of cheating trotted out, or are the Bernie Bros just going to be salty over their own delusions for all time?

they colluded with news networks to spin bernie's win as impossible, to tout her super delegates like it was already in the bag.

super delegates alone are cheating.

[Machismo]

They are?

Man, all the way up to 2008, Democrats and Republicans managed to always find common ground, even among their differences. Cooperation and compromise were the name of the game. Even if they had their differences, they knew that America always came first, and that together, we were stronger.

Then sometime in 2008, Republicans decided that letting Democrats have anything they wanted was the worst thing since Jesus's death and Hitler. "We get 100% of what we want and you get 0% of what you want, or else we're shutting the government down!"

Maybe someday, Republicans will wake up and decide that cooperation, rather than divisiveness is how to make America great. In the mean time, I guess their new leader Putin, who is controlling Trump's puppet strings, will titillate their fantasies.

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Not really. There certainly are more DANGEROUS people than Trump, but the reason they're more dangerous is precisely because they're not idiots. Pence isn't an idiot, but he is a religious zealot.

You just proved my point for me, all partisanship, without recognizing the major faults with your own side.

[Deleted]

Can't hand in anything if they are dead. Nuclear strike on the islamic/muslim world should be a viable option. Nuke Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE and others will kneel. Once they kneel you know the issue is handled. If they don't kneel nuke them all. From the ashes we will build a better world, a western world!

I like Trump have zero no issues with killing terrorists, their family and extended family! You can't be diplomatic with savages you need to answer to what they understand!

And they say mental health is a low priority in the USA.

[Super Kami Dende]

Only to the Idiots that are whinging constantly. To most this will just be another 4 years.

[Skroe]

They are?

Man, all the way up to 2008, Democrats and Republicans managed to always find common ground, even among their differences. Cooperation and compromise were the name of the game. Even if they had their differences, they knew that America always came first, and that together, we were stronger.

Then sometime in 2008, Republicans decided that letting Democrats have anything they wanted was the worst thing since Jesus's death and Hitler. "We get 100% of what we want and you get 0% of what you want, or else we're shutting the government down!"

Maybe someday, Republicans will wake up and decide that cooperation, rather than divisiveness is how to make America great. In the mean time, I guess their new leader Putin, who is controlling Trump's puppet strings, will titillate their fantasies.

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Not really. There certainly are more DANGEROUS people than Trump, but the reason they're more dangerous is precisely because they're not idiots. Pence isn't an idiot, but he is a religious zealot.

One of the most patriotic things we've seen in our lifetimes was in early 2007, after regaining control of Congress, rather than unilaterally ending the war in Iraq as their rabid liberal base wanted, Nancy Pelosi and Congressional Democrats worked with the Administration to build and finance the surge, under the precept of ending the war in a responsible manner, rather than just abandoning vehicles and flying everyone home, as some (Bill Richardson) advocated.

Democrats put the national interest first over one of the big reasons they got elected. Because the job of politicians is to lead, not to live in fear of, their constituents. Too many of my party have forgotten that, thanks in no small part, to PAC's primarying people like Richard Lugar, who made a career of being a country-first patriot.

The upcoming congressional hearings on Russia are really a litmus test for Republicans. I disagree with Democrats on a lot of policies. So, so many. But their country-first patriotism has been on display no less than four times in the past ten years in extremely obvious ways that they HAVE paid for and continue to pay for. Republicans have largely failed to step up. They simply must, and get to the bottom of Russia's actions. More than John McCain, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham need to shred our adversary and call them what they are. Leading republicans who normalize Moscow's crimes because of a domestic political agenda will have compromised their patriotism for the last time.

The entire party is on trial.

[Sliske]

It's not just about being an idiot, we have bigger idiots. I cannot think of a bigger charlatan, or someone who is more fake and disingenuous than he is (except for maybe Hillary). The worst part about it all, is that there are so many people who support him (and her).

Well since you brought up Hillary, Hillary is a canvas, she doesn't even have an agenda or a personality. She is a mirror image of whoever the person she is speaking to is.

So you'd think she'd be a bit smart, you know, like cunning? Well, no. Cause she loses every fucking Election in the same fucking way - by gunning for the popular vote, not the electoral college.

I swear, if she runs in 2020 or 2024 and does the same popular vote run again, I will die of laughter. You're running for the most powerful office in the world and you can't even run correctly?

But even Hillary isn't the biggest moron in American TV politics. I will say that the right in my books have almost got the monopoly on fucking morons , though. Holy shit. Rick Santorum? Ted Cruz? Jeb Bush? George Bush?

[Super Kami Dende]

Maybe someday, Republicans will wake up and decide that cooperation, rather than divisiveness is how to make America great.

The Irony when it is literally the Left constantly segregating people and causing most of the non-cooperative actions.

It's like you guys have zero self-awareness.

[munkeyinorbit]

The thing is that neither Clinton nor any of the bushs were alt-right fascists that got into office with racist bigotry empowered by russian propaganda.

So yes, i think it will be a stain in history books. Or "the great new start of america", considering the idea that winners tell history. And if trump wins at the end, history will tell the story from his point of view.

Yes it will be a stain on American History but not in the way that you think. It will be remembered as a time where a whole lot of "progressive" people were real butthurt because they didn't win the election and chose to ignore Democracy. It is absolutely ridiculous the way you people are reacting and you think it is going to change anything? All of those people that decided to not vote Hillary are just standing there wondering why you are trying to hurt America. Why are you trying to hurt America?