Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[satimy]

If you are comparing it to Americans, Hitler was not leftwing. Lefties are not nationalists, not by a long shot. And yes, conservatives in America are socialists. If you don't believe me, try to get rid of Social Security and Medicare, and watch them howl in anger.

Both American parties are centrist. If you factor out social issues they aren't that different.

[Machismo]

Clinton got really close to paying off the national debt and in a very short time. How did he do it? He didn't do it. The economy grew and not by much, a few percentage points but the national debt vanished overnight.

That's not exactly true. The deficit got reduced. That was mainly due to increased tax revenue from a booming economy, as well as tax increases that started in the early 1990's.

[Macaquerie]

Clinton got really close to paying off the national debt and in a very short time. How did he do it? He didn't do it. The economy grew and not by much, a few percentage points but the national debt vanished overnight.

No it didn't, he eliminated the deficit and started running a surplus, which only means that the debt stopped growing, not that it was paid off. Also, in hindsight that growth was really just a bubble waiting to burst anyway.

[Venant]

Hitler was not leftwing. Lefties are not nationalists

So I guess the USSR and China don't count as 'left wing', or the Korean communists or the Vietnamese communists or the Cambodian communists

[Machismo]

Both American parties are centrist. If you factor out social issues they aren't that different.

But, social issues matter. Hitler's platform was largely based on social issues.

Both parties are for big government, that's for sure. When dealing with social issues, it would be hard to determine which party is more authoritarian. Both want to ban things they don't like. Both support different safety nets and social programs. They just happen to disagree on what their priorities are. In the end, both parties are rather socialistic.

[Leyre]

i feel happy for american, finally they got a president who will fight for his people instead of letting his country be filled with fucking inmigrants, wish we had a president who put and end to all the colombians polluting our streets

[Wildtree]

Yes the fact that Democrats are completely corrupt and engage in identity politics which has given us trump is a stain.

wait a moment...
YOU sir are part of the problem your country has.
The democrats are completely corrupt.
The republicans are all innocent angels that will go to heaven?

You're either delusional. Or ignorant. Or dishonest.
There is no such thing as one side is the bad side, and the other one isn't.
There's no such thing as only one side is corrupt.
The 20 trillion debt is at large parts the result of lobbyism and that itself is corruption.
Lobbyists of the weapon industry are in the way of meaningful gun legislation and military spending.
Lobbyists of the pharmaceutical industry are in the way of acceptable costs for much of the medical treatments.
And that list goes on, and on, and on.
Both parties are targeted by certain lobbyists.

Just stop it with your partisan nonsense.

[Machismo]

So I guess the USSR and China don't count as 'left wing', or the Korean communists or the Vietnamese communists or the Cambodian communists

We were referring to America in that instance. Someone else actually accused liberals in America of opposing America as a principle. Liberals in other countries are more than capable of being nationalistic, but once again, America tends to screw up the definitions of words. In America, liberals aren't really liberal, and conservatives aren't actually conservative.

[RickJamesLich]

Let the fear mongering from the left begin!

[Machismo]

i feel happy for american, finally they got a president who will fight for his people instead of letting his country be filled with fucking inmigrants, wish we had a president who put and end to all the colombians polluting our streets

Immigrants are great, my entire country was founded by immigrants. I find it strange to oppose something that became the reason why I even live in this country. The only people in America who should be pissed about immigrants, are Native Americans.

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i feel happy for american, finally they got a president who will fight for his people instead of letting his country be filled with fucking inmigrants, wish we had a president who put and end to all the colombians polluting our streets

Trump is just another career politican. America is an oligarchy run by corporations, banks and wall street. If you think Trump will change anything about this you are gravely mistaken.

[Independent voter]

[Eliseus]

Yes, the way the left is acting will become a stain in American history just was their support for Slavery.

[Machismo]

Yes, the way the left is acting will become a stain in American history just was their support for Slavery.

Conservatives were the ones who supported slavery, I hate to break it to you.

[Stockers]

Christ, you lot have had weeks to get used to the idea. Democracy has spoken. Look at all the "peaceful" protests, people getting attacked, windows getting smashed... yeah nice one lads.

[MasterHamster]

Seeing as Trumps presidency can be described as not much else but the victory of demagoguery and ignorance, yes it will.

[Macaquerie]

Hitler's politics were, unsurprisingly, a combination of nationalism and socialism - handouts for Aryans, gas chambers for everyone else. This is why people are always comparing modern day ultranationalist politicians to Hitler, because they similarly advocate policies that amount to little more than stealing from "them" and distributing the spoils to "us" with little attempt to even justify it. Think about how on the campaign trail, Trump kept promising to take the oil from Iraq, and make Mexico pay for the wall, and so on.

[Wildtree]

Conservatives were the ones who supported slavery, I hate to break it to you.

More so..
One side wanted to keep a Zero dollar wage costs situation upheld. And the other side wanted to eliminate that part, since no one can possibly compete in a market where one side has virtually no such expenses.

It's a bit how they cry now about the low wages paid in countries like China and India, or others.

So, the slavery topic was less that of freeing people, but more so an issue of economy and business questions.

[Machismo]

More so..
One side wanted to keep a Zero dollar wage costs situation upheld. And the other side wanted to eliminate that part, since no one can possibly compete in a market where one side has virtually no such expenses.

It's a bit how they cry now about the low wages paid in countries like China and India, or others.

So, the slavery topic was less that of freeing people, but more so an issue of economy and business questions.

It was also about control. There's no control that the issue of slavery was a way to control the voting habits of elected officials, and for one politician to control another politician's state.

[satimy]

Clinton got really close to paying off the national debt and in a very short time. How did he do it? He didn't do it. The economy grew and not by much, a few percentage points but the national debt vanished overnight.

No, Clinton had a balanced budget meaning they added no new debt in 2/8 years. And that's kind of stretch because they were siphoning money out of the social security fund the balance the budget.


Deficit=\ debt