Fury as AfD politician urges Germany to 'stop remembering Nazi crimes'

[Mayhem]

Defending their right for free speech = defending their ideas? Eh...

You defeat nazis by making everyone despise their ideology through consistent discussion, not by banning it and making its followers into martyrs - and forcing your way of life on everyone else.

You can´t defeat nazis, everyone already despises their ideology, it´s not like they are people you can reason with.

[Ravenblade]

Defending their right for free speech = defending their ideas? Eh...

You defeat nazis by making everyone despise their ideology through consistent discussion, not by banning it and making its followers into martyrs - and forcing your way of life on everyone else.

With Nazi ideology it's like throwing weed seeds in dung, eventually it will multiplicate so much that you have to fight with fire.

Normal people, who are not as educated or interested will see one point they agree with and join a movement, in time they will be taught to agree with everything without second thought. This is fully abused by the far right which likes to emphasize on fears and deep-seated emotions in order to promote an ideology which ultimately favours one's total voiding of emotions in order to get rid of former peers or people which are declared enemies of their ideology in a form of cleansing. It is something that is very perfidious in the context of history that the people who have enjoyed the most benefits of freedom of speech during the Weimar Republic ended up being the first ones totally removing it. We know their true faces they can try different masks but we know where it ends. Something that wants freedom of speech being totally obliterated at their final step should be allowed to have their opinion but not be given public platforms so they can do the same thing again. This is why I am not buying into this "alt" thing of the right, or some sort of "reformed right". In the end, if you filter it down and remove the embellishments you can see it's the same old, same anti-democratic and anti-humanist old.

[ranzino]

As per latest statement from the Federal Constitutional Court the NPD is loud and nasty, but utter insignificant. No pitchforks required anymore...

[lolpve]

Read the speech in German, he did not say the Nazis should not be remembered. That's if any of you millennials can read a second language.

Also, the comparison of Merkel to the East Germans is apt considering she was a propaganda secretary for the youth communists there. Clearly anyone who so vehemently supports a communist has questionable moral integrity.

[Ravenblade]

As per latest statement from the Federal Constitutional Court the NPD is loud and nasty, but utter insignificant. No pitchforks required anymore...

That's because the NPD has become the party of social rejects whereas the AfD is even acceptable for people in suits even though ideologically both parties are convergent due to Höcke's flirting with the NPD and their core ideologies.

Read the speech in German, he did not say the Nazis should not be remembered. That's if any of you millennials can read a second language.

Also, the comparison of Merkel to the East Germans is apt considering she was a propaganda secretary for the youth communists there. Clearly anyone who so vehemently supports a communist has questionable moral integrity.

I am not a millennial but I know Mr. Höcke for a very, very long time. He is very well aware that nothing riles up more people than ambiguous language. Ask his former party colleague and close friend Oskar Helmerich what Höcke really wants and you'd be inclined to lean towards the version that most people saw. This "I have totally been misunderstood!" spiel is totally typical for him. That man is not an idiot but he is someone who does everything with consideration.

[Slant]

Read the speech in German, he did not say the Nazis should not be remembered. That's if any of you millennials can read a second language.

Also, the comparison of Merkel to the East Germans is apt considering she was a propaganda secretary for the youth communists there. Clearly anyone who so vehemently supports a communist has questionable moral integrity.

Can you be any more biased? German is actually my first language and let me tell you that he phrased his speech rather carefully to imply a lot of shit. When asked, he can still deny everything but we know his neonazis friends are cheering for the hidden meaning. He's attacking the politicians in Berlin while being worse than they are. At least they're not constantly ambiguous. Oh, they'll evade questions like masters, but double meanings at every corner just to flip flop around when the heat is up? That's not integrity. That's scheming and deceiving behaviour.

And... Merkel doing something something in the GDR 30 years ago vs. Being the chancellor of this country for over a decade and steering us safely through tumultuous waters so that we suddenly become a success, "Europe's engine", have enough resources to feed 1 million refugees and another country being on the drip feed from our money... which one weighs more... which one is more relevant... man, hard decision. I can't do it, you help me... should I give a fuck about what she was forced to do in a totalitarian regime or pay attention what she does as the leader of a democratic nation to a point where some people want her to lead the "free world" as Trump seems unwilling to do so?

[Deleted]

The fact most people here who are infuriated by that guy seem to be German only proves how utterly brainwashed the Germans are. Do the modern arabs even know their ancestors completely annihilated Egyptian, Persian and god knows what other civilization? How many Americans even care that the supposedly greatest state in the world is built on stolen land and the biggest genocide in history? And I'm pretty sure most think Japan deserved to get nuclear bombed. Speaking of Japan, how many Japanese people feel ashamed of their WW2 actions? Not many it seems to me. How many English know or care that Churchill was responsible for killing 2 million Indians during WW2, of whom he thought the same as Hitler did of jews?

And if you think self-flagellating yourselves over this for all eternity makes your country better or superior, it doesn't. It only makes you weaker. Might is right has and always will be the rule. WW2 was a war like all wars. It wasn't about good vs evil and Germans are not evil people. The sooner Germans accept this the better.

[Slant]

The fact most people here who are infuriated by that guy seem to be German only proves how utterly brainwashed the Germans are. Do the modern arabs even know their ancestors completely annihilated Egyptian, Persian and god knows what other civilization? How many Americans even care that the supposedly greatest state in the world is built on stolen land and the biggest genocide in history? And I'm pretty sure most think Japan deserved to get nuclear bombed. Speaking of Japan, how many Japanese people feel ashamed of their WW2 actions? Not many it seems to me. How many English know or care that Churchill was responsible for killing 2 million Indians during WW2, of whom he thought the same as Hitler did of jews?

And if you think self-flagellating yourselves over this for all eternity makes your country better or superior, it doesn't. It only makes you weaker. Might is right has and always will be the rule. WW2 was a war like all wars. It wasn't about good vs evil and Germans are not evil people. The sooner Germans accept this the better.

We don't think we're evil. We actually think we're pretty firmly the good guys. Hence our offering shelter for refugees, because that's what good guys do. Be helpful to those in need. Some mistake it as compensating for our past, but that's not it, as much as they'd like to believe it. It's really hard to be one of the good guys and watch people starve at your doorstep in cold blood. But, since you probably haven't read the thread, I guess it's easy to make that false assumption despite me and other Germans explaining this over and over again. It's an uphill windmillblowing contest against a rolling stone while some jackass poured oil down the hill.

[Deleted]

The real lesson that everyone seems to be ignoring here is that modern Germany and Japan are just much better off without the nationalism and militarism than they ever were with it. Before the world wars, they may have been up and coming nations, but they were very much second-rate powers compared to Britain and America and this insecurity absolutely ate away at them and completely poisoned the national mindset. It wasn't until they stopped fixating on their inadequacies and simply contented themselves with living as peaceful and productive members of the global community that they really unlocked their true potential, and as a result their power and prestige today far outstrips what it was 100 years ago. Oh sure, they come off as a bit goofy and weird, and nobody is really afraid of them anymore, but why should that matter?

This is just so wrong and gullible I don't have any words to describe it.

[THE Bigzoman]

"In my speech in Dresden, I was concerned with the question of how we Germans look back on our history and how this can can help us establish our identity in the 21st century. Undoubtedly, we must be aware in our self-assurance of our immense guilt. It is part of our history. But it is only part of our history," he wrote.

Hmm.

Fair enough.


From where I'm sitting, I think people give Germany too much shit for it. People like to pretend that Germans are more responsible for the appointment of Hitler than the external circumstances that ultimately enabled him in the first place.

It's easier to finger wag at others than it is to look in the mirror.
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The real lesson that everyone seems to be ignoring here is that modern Germany and Japan are just much better off without the nationalism and militarism than they ever were with it. Before the world wars, they may have been up and coming nations, but they were very much second-rate powers compared to Britain and America and this insecurity absolutely ate away at them and completely poisoned the national mindset. It wasn't until they stopped fixating on their inadequacies and simply contented themselves with living as peaceful and productive members of the global community that they really unlocked their true potential, and as a result their power and prestige today far outstrips what it was 100 years ago. Oh sure, they come off as a bit goofy and weird, and nobody is really afraid of them anymore, but why should that matter?

Wrong.

Without the Mejij Restoration, Japan would've be subjugated to western whims like the rest of Asia.

The same could be said about Germany. What do you think drove their transition into respectable powers before the wars?

[May90]

You're living under the assumption that people are intelligent beings who can separate right from wrong by using their cognition.

We've actually had Nazi's in this world on a large scale.
It's not some ideology at which we can laugh because it will never happen, it DID happen. It happened because people aren't as reasonable as you assume them to be.

No, I'm living under the assumption that democracy is for people who are ready to oppose the malicious opinions by legal means without having to shield themselves from them. I trust people to reach a consensus and to get rid of the malicious ideologies long-term more than I trust the government to establish what's good for the society and what's not.

[Deleted]

Do people even uderstand what nazism is? Nazism is national socialism. Not ''i'm gonna kill everything because I love being evil''.

[Jastall]

You already got it before. Even in libraries. Commented, that is. Nowadays, you also get it without comments, if you want to read the dull hateful antisemitic right wing bullshit of a landscape painter..

I'll just second this; Hitler was a terrible writer. I've read books with ideas that were alien to me, but were fairly well written. Mein Kampf is... not that. It's just full of rantings and conspiracy theories cobbled together into an incoherent mess of hateful delusions.

I mean, at least something like the Little Red Book of Mao manages to be relatively concise.

[primalmatter]

Do people even uderstand what nazism is? Nazism is national socialism. Not ''i'm gonna kill everything because I love being evil''.

Very few can seperate it from the actions done in its name.

[JohnBrown1917]

Do people even uderstand what nazism is? Nazism is national socialism. Not ''i'm gonna kill everything because I love being evil''.

And it just so happens to involve killing people, a minor side effect.

[Deleted]

And it just so happens to involve killing people, a minor side effect.

No it doesn't.

[JohnBrown1917]

No it doesn't.

Ye, they just want jews in camps for fun, my bad!

[May90]

No it doesn't.

I hate posting memes, but...

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[Slant]

Do people even uderstand what nazism is? Nazism is national socialism. Not ''i'm gonna kill everything because I love being evil''.

Nobody, certainly not the neonazis, is talking about an economic system when they speak about nazis and nazi ideology. Especially not the apes that are neonazis. Fun experiment for you.. next time you see a neonazi, just say "economy" and watch how he instantly falls asleep. It's just too complicated for their tiny little brains and they have to initiate emergency brain shut down protocols to prevent permanent overheat damage.

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No it doesn't.

Normally I wouldn't post something, since two people already made fun of you, but this is so stupid, you deserve to be laughed at a couple more times... jesus. :P

[Slaughty8]

It's important to remember the History in order to avoid doing the same thing again and again and again.
as the saying goes: "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."
I hope this stuff will be learned and kept in memory by many more generations. Idea of "stop remembering" should be immediatelly censored and make sure it doesn't happen again from their side.