Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[Shadowferal]

Which is completely mad, and which is just meant to dis-inform. Everyone who knows about german history knows, that Hitler and his party were nationalist right wing fanatics.

I agree. But were I to show them this, they would refuse to believe it. And that's what it boils down to, simple-minded belief.

[Deleted]

As a european I think this could be a good thing.

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Noone will deny this has the potential for disaster however


So far the most striking thing to me has been how petty the so called 'intellectual liberals' have acted .. complete hysteria.

[Deleted]

If killing 10 million plus innocent civilians with the atom bomb didn't stain history I doubt this will.

You're aware that incident is a stain in history right?

[Spectral]

Unfortunately we are now a global civilization...

Can you define what you mean by "global civilization"? I would tend to think of civilizations as discrete entities that share cultural and legal characteristics and that are bound as defined nation-states. That gets pretty blurry when we go far enough back and find city-state civilizations that don't share governments, but are generally thought of as a single civilization (think ancient Greece).

In no sense would I say that Canada and Afghanistan are the same civilization. They don't share culture, they're genetically dissimilar, religiously dissimilar, not under the same governments, and so on.

[Darkeon]

Kinda like how Clinton was saying she would challenge the results if Trump was elected, or she wouldn't, she will let you know! Or how she said the election was rigged for over a year straight. Or how she said Trump wants to take your guns away and there is nothing you can do about it. Except for Second Amendment people *wink wink*.

The media might have over-hyped a Clinton loss, but Trump himself over-hyped a Trump loss.

While I can't deny that, at some points, Trump did let out the impression that he had little chances of winning, I still fail to see how it's relevant to the hypocrisy of those violently protesting.

[Spectral]

How do you know?

Do you really pretend "Trump isnt that bad?"

Did you listen to his inauguriation speech? Do you actually understand what he plans to do?

Take a look at Turkey. This is the way trump is trying to take.

Here's the full transcript.

Which quote do you object to? I suppose it's sentiments along these lines:

At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.

We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world -- but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.

If these aren't the sentiments you find troubling, let me know.

[May90]

No. Nickelback, Diet Coke and premature ejaculation aren't left wing either.

Everybody who is bad is left wing! Haven't you figured their point out yet?

[Underverse]

We call it "America first" you call it "Nationalistic Hitler bullshit". We say we can make America more prosperous- you say "It can not be done". We say "Make America great again" you say "America was never great" We wave American flags, and you burn them. We revere our history despite its stains and EVERY nation has its own stains- you castrate it and demonize it and try to erase it. You would rather change America into a system much like the EU but on a grander scale- we'd rather have America for Americans and put those in power who are from here and have our well-being at heart- that is something you can not get in the EU when a foreign government in Brussels imposes laws upon you that your nation foolishly signed on for when it joined that "collective" of bureaucrats.

We believe in individualism and choosing our own destiny- you believe in collectivism and everybody is a racist.
We believe in life is what you make of it- you believe in your life sucks because of an evil white man.
We believe in freedom and you believe in financial enslavement and Obamaphones.
You stick your nose in the air and refuse to listen when you were in control- you slap our hand away when we offer it.
We ask to come together- you call us NAZIS and attack people and destroy property.
We talk to true civil rights leaders to make real change- you call them uncle toms while you stick to 40+ years of failed Democrat policy's.
We believe America has a destiny and its greatest days are ahead- you believe in destroying its very core foundations.

That is why you lost all 3 branches of government and the supreme court for an entire generation this election. Make peace with that while you stomp your feet and place blame on everybody else but yourselves. The sad part of this whole thing- is you haven't even learned your lesson and will require another ghetto stomping in 2020. Maybe another ass beating will change your tune a bit. Especially- when you find that Trump actually makes good on his promises unlike the last half dozen Presidents. Obama is gone and Hillary was defeated. Game over man....game over.

You know, I would love to see Trump succeed. I would love to see America reach new heights under his leadership. That would be great.

But let's look at what's happened so far. More or less every one of his promises has already turned out to be a lie. Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it? Not happening. Drain the swamp? Nope. The swamp is the swampiest it's ever been. Almost his entire transition team and cabinet is woefully inexperienced; half of them don't even know what their jobs are.

But back to the point. Which of Trumps policies do you think will 'make America great again'? He hasn't really outlined much in the way of details. Every time he opens his mouth he just rambles about American greatness, his wealth, how awesome he is, how terrible a problem is, and so forth. The clearest solutions he's proposed are things like 'build a wall', which doesn't dignify consideration and is clearly not well thought out.

You can't solve all of the America's problems with patriotism. And you certainly won't solve them without people who know what they're doing.

[Daymanmb]

You replied just to nitpick a word I used? #triggered.

Definitions of words is not trigger worthy, except when you reply passive aggressively because you've been corrected. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings, I thought you could learn something today. I stand corrected, myself. Look, we have something in common!

[minteK917]

Hitler on the left, the guy that blamed the red jews for everything ever???? LOL. My god American public schools are bad.

[Release]

Can you define what you mean by "global civilization"? I would tend to think of civilizations as discrete entities that share cultural and legal characteristics and that are bound as defined nation-states. That gets pretty blurry when we go far enough back and find city-state civilizations that don't share governments, but are generally thought of as a single civilization (think ancient Greece).

In no sense would I say that Canada and Afghanistan are the same civilization. They don't share culture, they're genetically dissimilar, religiously dissimilar, not under the same governments, and so on.

It's an imprecise term but illustrated the point I was trying to make. I used the term to describe how despite the cultural differences etc that you listed which are all true we live in a modern world where for right or wrong that is becoming increasingly irrelevant. China shares few aspects of western civilization (though they are slowly changing) but the West needed to work with them to solve a problem like climate change or worldwide food production. I am getting at problems that at no other point in history have ever happened because they are problems that every single person on this planet shares and that impacts everyone necessitating global cooperation rather than isolationism.

[Daymanmb]

My god American public schools are bad.

Wait for Charter Schools to be the norm...

[zoomgpally]

You are right. The last 8 years have shown that many people in the U.S. will hate something/someone and trust something/someone without fully understanding it/them.

Obama runs for President? "He's a damn Muslim!! Where's his REAL birth certificate!?!?"
Affordable Health Care? "Evil socialism!!!"
An inexperienced demagogue runs for President? "He'll make America great again!!"

These last 8 years have shown the level of ignorance that the U.S. population has for politics, and in some cases reality. It is a scary thought that we are one of the major powers on the planet and yet we're this stupid. Trump didn't make people like this, he just played on it. And the worst thing is that he won.

You forgot to mention Trump himself was one of the idiots demanding a birth certificate

[Daymanmb]

You forgot to mention Trump himself was one of the idiots demanding a birth certificate

He pretty much started this fake news bullshit.. and believe it or not, infowars just ran a video 4 weeks ago confirming Trump to be right on this matter.. facts dont matter anymore.. the more insane your rhetoric, the more youre believed.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack...iracy_theories

[alexw]

I think you missed a few talking points.

Regardless, it won't be a stain. It will be talked about for years to come.
There is a huge concerted effort to delegitimize Trump, and there has been since he announced he was running.

These aren't grassroots efforts, they are funded by the same Establishment people who Trump claims to be against.
Nothing will change, as Trump and the Clintons run in the same political elite circles and outside of a few social issues are essentially the same.

Hopefully he doesn't mess things up too much, but we have checks and balances in place to prevent that. The fear-mongering is real, however.

Actually from what I am seeing these are VERY grass roots efforts. People who I know who have never been political and activist are getting political and activist.

[Independent voter]

Trump surprised everyone once already, I'm just saying...

[alexw]

Hitler on the left, the guy that blamed the red jews for everything ever???? LOL. My god American public schools are bad.

Its a right-wing thing that's fairly common over here. They can't accept that Hitler shared an extreme form of their ideology so he has to be a leftist.

According to them all mass-murdering dictators are leftists which is baffling to me. Since we even have large numbers of right-wingers currently espousing exactly the same rhetoric Hitler did, and they identify with the right, but their idol is a leftist....

[Daymanmb]

Trump surprised everyone once already, I'm just saying...

He surprised people who werent paying attention.

[alexw]

Here's the full transcript.

Which quote do you object to? I suppose it's sentiments along these lines:


If these aren't the sentiments you find troubling, let me know.

Fascism in other words. That's what he is describing.

[cLax0n]

I just have a feeling that Obama and other top officials close to him including the CIA are just letting Trump have his day only to slam him and make it that much sweeter.

Trumpets are going to get even more angrier once they realize Trump isn't going to fix their problems; once they realize he's going to make them worse. Once these Trump supporters (majority of them Republicans/Conservatives) strip themselves of every last bit of ethics in a chauvinistic attempt to support Trump because they cannot back out now without looking dumb. Thats when the Liberals/Democrats/Moderates/Traditional Conservatives will take our country back with complete disregard for what these Trumpets feel/want because Trumpets have proven over and over again to truly being deplorable.