Nazis were right wing, not left

[Mormolyce]

Nazi were Center Authoritarian, not right nor left. They also weren't fascist.

F for your history assignment. See me after class.

[Zecora]

Nazis were right wing, far right.

Even as a right winger I don't have any issue with saying that, there are untold factions within the right, I am not a Nazi and their politics was very different from mine. I care as much about that as people like Osama Bin Laden and Piers Morgan being Arsenal fans, their evil does not reflect on me just because we have something in common.

Exactly! Thank you for getting it, and quoted for teh truths!

[Pannonian]

OP is mixing Left/Right with Authoritarian/Libertarian.

Nazi were Center Authoritarian, not right nor left. They also weren't fascist. Please go read the definition of fascist.

Can you provide any source on that? There is one key difference between facism (like in italy) and nazism namely facism puts the main focus on the state, while nazism on the race, but that doesn't change the fact the nazism is just a part of facism. This is not even a debate in the academical field. Center-authoriatrian? Are you maybe mixing up a few things? Hitler rose to power with the help of the centrist party, but never was the party considered center....

Which definition should i look up?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Facism ?

Or maybe Wikipedias article on facism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism - "In Germany, it contributed to the rise of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which resulted in the demise of the Weimar Republic, and the establishment of the fascist regime, Nazi Germany,"

Didnt even US soldiers fight against facist regimes in europe?

I mean wow... that's a statement i've never encountered so far...

[Orbitus]

The wonderful thing about fascism is that people don't realize the word itself if being constantly challenged.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

I wish I didn't have to hold your hand.

I don't know how that is supposed to refute anything that I have said. Trying to use multiple sources to try to disprove what I said, isn't actually doing that.

Especially this one:

John T. FlynnEdit

In 1944, American right-winger John T. Flynn wrote a polemical work, As we go marching,[12] aimed against socialist and social democratic tendencies that he saw beginning to subvert capitalism. He characterizes fascism based on an analysis of Mussolini's Italy:

Anti-capitalist, but with capitalist features;
Economic demand management...
...through budget deficits
Direct economic planning, reconciled with partial economic autonomy through corporatism;
Militarism and imperialism;
Suspension of rule of law.

[callipygoustp]

I wish I didn't have to hold your hand.

But it makes me tingle inside when you do...

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I don't know how that is supposed to refute anything that I have said. Trying to use multiple sources to try to disprove what I said, isn't actually doing that.

Especially this one:

From our good friend George Orwell:

...the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathisers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.[42]

[Belize]

"No, your side were Nazis"
"No, your guys were the Nazis!"

This is easily the saddest and least productive thing I've seen around here.

[Orbitus]

From our good friend George Orwell:

But that still doesn't refute anything you have claimed. And that doesn't refute the standard definition of fascism, which tends to be primarily right wingers.

[schwarzkopf]

Fun fact OP - Nazis were a very specific combination of evil and nasty.

Trump has only demonstrated a single, so far benign form of fascist (Plutocracy) via his cabinet appointments.

That makes Trump a fascist, not a NAZI.

A drop of lemon vs a lemon farm.

[Forogil]

Thinking that the most part about nazism is whether they were left or right-wing is missing the obvious.

The National Socialist (NSDAP) were first and foremost racists, populists, authoritarian, and statists - and their name suggests what they tried to do: combine left and right as they saw it in their own way: nationalism and socialism.
However, many of the original more socialist members (and also anti-fascists) were killed during the night of the long knives.

And populism goes back beyond England - remember Julius Caesar?

[serenka]

They were far right, yes.

[OnlineSamantha]

From our good friend George Orwell:

So you post a quote to refute something? What? It's not even a good quote. You could say the exact same thing about the word 'communist' in the US in the Cold War. It doesn't have any real relevance to this conversation, because we are talking about the regimes that are literally known for being fascists.

[Tomyris]

This should go straight in the ''Earth is flat'' category of the wonders that rise up on the internet.

[Karrotlord]

From our good friend George Orwell:

Did you ignore the one from Mussolini himself saying it's right-wing?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Can you provide any source on that? There is one key difference between facism (like in italy) and nazism namely facism puts the main focus on the state, while nazism on the race, but that doesn't change the fact the nazism is just a part of facism. This is not even a debate in the academical field. Center-authoriatrian? Are you maybe mixing up a few things? Hitler rose to power with the help of the centrist party, but never was the party considered center....

Which definition should i look up?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Facism ?

Or maybe Wikipedias article on facism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism - "In Germany, it contributed to the rise of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which resulted in the demise of the Weimar Republic, and the establishment of the fascist regime, Nazi Germany,"

Didnt even US soldiers fight against facist regimes in europe?

I mean wow... that's a statement i've never encountered so far...

Fascist lost its meaning. People throw fascism as an insult for anything they see as "authoritarian". And of course, people often see authoritarianism as a fundamental core of the right.

If that was true, what about Stalin?

[Pannonian]

Fascism is a derivation of socialism.
Its a 'third way' - So no, its either left wing, or somewhere in the undefinable centre.

Facism was in the time considered as the third way - next to captialism and communism. That doesn't mean it outside of a spectrum.

Probably though this is the reason why its so hard to pinpoint for some people (by definitions) as our current perception of the spectrum is heavily influenced by the post-WW2 struggle between communism on the one and capitalism on the other side.

For the time nazism was a thing there was no doubt about it being right-wing, as by the 1930s this was still done after the original system of seating order for parties in the original german Reichstag, where nationalists were without a doubt right wing. (The rise of left-wing nationalist is a more recent invention)

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Did you ignore the one from Mussolini himself saying it's right-wing?

Did you ignore the part where the word is being thoroughly challenged by several definitions?

[Dezerte]

Politics is a lot more complicated than "you're either left-wing or right-wing". When Nazism is placed on the right-wing side it's not meant as a slight towards anyone who identifies with the right-wing, it is simply the most accurate position to place Nazism in on the generalized political scale of left and right-wing.

[schwarzkopf]

nationalism and socialism

The Nazi 'brand' was far more than just those two, it had very authoritarian and strong anti-jewish ideology behind it.

Trump is the opposite of an ideologue - he shifts and twists to suit his narcissistic personality.

If you want a WWII comparison - it is Mussolini

[Deleted]

Nazis were fascist aka authoritarian nationalist. And they also were socialists, not capitalists. There was pretty much nothing capitalist about nazism.

Left wing = socialism, right wing = capitalism

So, nazis were left wing.

If you can't handle that truth, go have your temper tantrum somewhere else.

/thread

Fuck me there are some thickheads on the internet.