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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Sorry if I am skeptical about this, it's probably because I watched Trump's inauguration yesterday
    Trump's inauguration is a short-term misfortune. When 4 years later people will be willing to vote for anyone who doesn't resemble Trump, we will talk again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    In four years Italy will probably have elected Berlusconi for the fourth time
    Trump is not the first nor the last idiotic thing the human race has managed to produce.
    Here you are, calling picking Berlusconi and Trump idiotic - and yet advocating for authoritarian measures "for the greater good", as if you've missed the last ~3000 years of history. Personally, I'd rather have clowns like Berlusconi and Trump show up on TV every day with idiotic comments and gestures, than someone who thinks it is up to them to decide what people should be allowed to believe in and what not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    You say this, but then post this on other threads and completely prove me right:
    It was a joke, don't get too carried away with the analogy. It's the opposite of a guilt trip, just in case you haven't noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    Well, you see, regardless of an ideology, an individual following it does not necessarily have to resort to violence to promote it. Mostly, I guess, because he/she doesn't have the power to achieve anything this way. However, when that ideology is proclaimed official by a powerful centralized government... Well, violence is a logical conclusion.
    Are you sure you want to go there? Do you want to know how many single neo nazis beat foreigners into a pulp, torched asylum centres and dormitories?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    Yeah, discussing with right wing fanatics is really useless. They are not able to learn. They are not able to understand. They only see their own opinion.
    Exactly the same with extreme lefties its just no one ever mentions them and the crap they bring with them.......
    Everyone kept saying MoP was shit, but it started at 10M subs. It's big loss was by months 4-6 into MoP, the total loss across those 6 months was only 1.7M compared to WoD losing 2.9M in HALF THE FUCKING TIME. 3 months passed and WoD loses 2.9M players. This is not due to "MMOs dying", but because Warlords of Draenor is a garbage expansion. Cata also lost 2.9M subs across the entire expansion. MoP lost 3.2M across the entire expansion. WoD lost 4.6 Million 7 months after it launched!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybach View Post
    Exactly the same with extreme lefties its just no one ever mentions them and the crap they bring with them.......
    Thing is, we don't have extreme left-wings here. Unless you count the Putinistas, but nobody takes them seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Are you sure you want to go there? Do you want to know how many single neo nazis beat foreigners into a pulp, torched asylum centres and dormitories?
    I'm not saying it never happens, what I'm saying is that it doesn't have to happen for a given individual. But when you set up a system that forces millions to live by that ideology... then there is no "might happen or might not", it will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    Here you are, calling picking Berlusconi and Trump idiotic - and yet advocating for authoritarian measures "for the greater good", as if you've missed the last ~3000 years of history. Personally, I'd rather have clowns like Berlusconi and Trump show up on TV every day with idiotic comments and gestures, than someone who thinks it is up to them to decide what people should be allowed to believe in and what not.
    And how do you legislate against "belief"? Deciding what people should be allowed to believe, deciding that people who already failed at ruling shouldn't fuck the country up again. What's the difference lel.


    Quote Originally Posted by May90 View Post
    I'm not saying it never happens, what I'm saying is that it doesn't have to happen for a given individual. But when you set up a system that forces millions to live by that ideology... then there is no "might happen or might not", it will happen.
    And it what mysterious way does it do so? Mind control? Welp, let's hand out tinfoil to the people who are "prohibited to believe", problem solved.
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    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

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    Good Luck with that - the Germans get told since Kindergarten how evil and super bad the Nazis have been, the worst of the worst - and that all Germans share that burden and have for ever make up for that. Any Patriotic Motion is considered 100% Nazi and literally worse than Hitler.

    Just look how we are taking it up the Arse from the Migrant Crisis. We Germans really have been pussyfied since WW2. Even Sweden is more masculine.

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    No need to remove it from history books, but you Germans can stop self flagellating yourselves over it. You guys aren't any worse than any other nation or powerful group. The jews killed and enslaved many tribes, it's recorded in history books, even their own holy books.
    You're getting exactly what you deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    The fact most people here who are infuriated by that guy seem to be German only proves how utterly brainwashed the Germans are.
    You mean German as in speaking German (which is the traditional meaning of the word the Germans use for themselves)?
    Maybe that is because they actually understand all of his speech and everyone else relies on subpar translations.

    Spoken German is generally two conversations at once--the obvious one that gets translated, and another one about the common ground between the speaker and the audience, which is generally omitted in translations.
    That is also where the impression of Germans being abrupt comes from, because when they speak English or other languages that second, interactive part cannot be expressed (without inserting additional paragraphs after each sentence) so they generally just omit it. When beginners speak German they mostly miss the second conversation, too, because it is expressed using just a word here and there and you can get the gist of the sentence without it.
    (Here is a nice paper about the topic: German Modal Particles and the Common Ground--look at the paragraph with the same name .)

    Some orators do not use them in public speeches, because it is considered bad style by some and creates problems when translated. Merkel for example changed from a style using lots of modal particles to one with practically none after being misrepresented in international translations. (Compare her new year speeches of 15/16? and 16/17.)
    Others use it exactly because of the ability to dismiss the secondary coversation more easily and because it is generally understood subconsciously.
    When people notice an use of this as an attempt at manipulation with implied leading questions, they get understandably angry.
    Unfortunately while it only works on people who use the German language instinctively noticing it requires an awareness of the laguage that normally comes with learning a second language well. Thus it works well on the uneducated. (That is why people like him get called "Bauernfaenger" (swindler; lit: peasant catcher) in German.)
    And this is exacly what he is attempting here and why foreigners are hard pressed to understand the outrage--the bit about the manipulation is lost on them, because it doesn't get translated, so they get only half the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I'll just second this; Hitler was a terrible writer. I've read books with ideas that were alien to me, but were fairly well written. Mein Kampf is... not that. It's just full of rantings and conspiracy theories cobbled together into an incoherent mess of hateful delusions.
    Well, it was just a means to funnel him some money to get out of debt. People didn't really read it, just use it as an statement. It could have been blank inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    No. The point is that nationalism and socialism are not ideas which require you to kill people.
    Yes, and and nazi ideology is not simply a combination of nationalism and socialism, it is something else that masquerades under an intentionally misleading name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Comparing Nazism to be similiar to islam in structure not defending it?
    You mean he is implying its not as bad as Islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Funny how you assume i'm far left becease I disagree with you.


    This is a waste of time
    Pretty sure you are far left because of your avatar man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    It was a joke, don't get too carried away with the analogy. It's the opposite of a guilt trip, just in case you haven't noticed.
    You say it's a joke but I honestly can't believe you. Simply because most if not all germans I interacted with seem to share that exact same mentality.


    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    You mean German as in speaking German (which is the traditional meaning of the word the Germans use for themselves)?
    Maybe that is because they actually understand all of his speech and everyone else relies on subpar translations.

    Spoken German is generally two conversations at once--the obvious one that gets translated, and another one about the common ground between the speaker and the audience, which is generally omitted in translations.
    That is also where the impression of Germans being abrupt comes from, because when they speak English or other languages that second, interactive part cannot be expressed (without inserting additional paragraphs after each sentence) so they generally just omit it. When beginners speak German they mostly miss the second conversation, too, because it is expressed using just a word here and there and you can get the gist of the sentence without it.
    (Here is a nice paper about the topic: German Modal Particles and the Common Ground--look at the paragraph with the same name .)

    Some orators do not use them in public speeches, because it is considered bad style by some and creates problems when translated. Merkel for example changed from a style using lots of modal particles to one with practically none after being misrepresented in international translations. (Compare her new year speeches of 15/16? and 16/17.)
    Others use it exactly because of the ability to dismiss the secondary coversation more easily and because it is generally understood subconsciously.
    When people notice an use of this as an attempt at manipulation with implied leading questions, they get understandably angry.
    Unfortunately while it only works on people who use the German language instinctively noticing it requires an awareness of the laguage that normally comes with learning a second language well. Thus it works well on the uneducated. (That is why people like him get called "Bauernfaenger" (swindler; lit: peasant catcher) in German.)
    And this is exacly what he is attempting here and why foreigners are hard pressed to understand the outrage--the bit about the manipulation is lost on them, because it doesn't get translated, so they get only half the story.
    I actually speak German. I still fully agreed with the guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by The One Percent View Post
    No need to remove it from history books, but you Germans can stop self flagellating yourselves over it. You guys aren't any worse than any other nation or powerful group. The jews killed and enslaved many tribes, it's recorded in history books, even their own holy books.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    You say it's a joke but I honestly can't believe you. Simply because most if not all germans I interacted with seem to share that exact same mentality.
    It was a joke in that we can make fun of it. Doesn't mean that we don't take it seriously when needed. Basically, if we're just dicking around, heck, make jokes and laugh about them. But come to me and tell me you think those nazi ideologies have merit and I'll give you an earful of how little merit they had for humanity or Germany, for that matter. We're not robots, we are able to talk in context about something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiegoBrando View Post
    I actually speak German. I still fully agreed with the guy.
    So you chose to ignore the bits where he all but literally said he wanted to resurrect the nazi regime? Okay. Bit naive if you ask me.

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    Just to update people on this and bring this thread to something of a close... Höcke won't be excluded from the AfD after today's party leadership decision. And this pretty much means they have accepted nazi ideology and will have peaked, as people turn away from them. They will decline and vanish into insignificance until even institutions like the constitutional court will deem them too insignificant to do anything about it.
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    Höcke is the unhinged voice of the AfD and the reason they wanted to boot him initially was because the bunch of uneducated people that vote the AfD out of protest or because they don't fully understand them could get the hint here when they notice how much NPD-Scum they gathered under their fingernails. That bunch is disgusting for multiple reasons but not everyone voting for them is. Kind of the same thing you have with Trump really. Just on a smaller scale. I doubt they will have the same success-story tho.
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