Nazis were right wing, not left

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we are not talking about the nature of reality we are talking about what the Nazi party thinks about reality - then their propaganda is a very good source.

"What the Nazi party thinks about reality" and "What reality is" are two different things.

And we should talk about reality, as this is not a right wing filter bubble.

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Propaganda is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

The movie i refer to actually is desinformation, as it propagates exactly the opposite of what fascism led to.

and that has nothing to do with what fascism Is.

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So that movie may be a good source on that.

No, as it only contains biased informations.

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and that has nothing to do with what fascism Is.

Actually, it is all about what fascism did to the world, and not what it was meant to be.

Or do you think communism should be displayed as a utopian fantasy where everyone is same and everyone is happy? While it didnt work out?

Communism is a idology which failed. As like fascism. Still we see a rise of the same idea as like we had in the early 20th century.

It will fail again.

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No it isnt, that is what this thread is about. Did you actually read any of the posts?

fascism is a reformation of syndicalism, inspired by world war one.
That's historical fact.

[Vizardlorde]

Nazis were right wing, far right.

Even as a right winger I don't have any issue with saying that, there are untold factions within the right, I am not a Nazi and their politics was very different from mine. I care as much about that as people like Osama Bin Laden and Piers Morgan being Arsenal fans, their evil does not reflect on me just because we have something in common.

PFFT you are a british moderate right winger by our standards you are no better than a soviet communist

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fascism is a reformation of syndicalism, inspired by world war one.
That's historical fact.

Read some Mussolini quotes sometimes. Then you probably understand what fascism means.

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"What the Nazi party thinks about reality" and "What reality is" are two different things.
And we should talk about reality, as this is not a right wing filter bubble.
Actually, it is all about what fascism did to the world, and not what it was meant to be.
Or do you think communism should be displayed as a utopian fantasy where everyone is same and everyone is happy? While it didnt work out?
Communism is a idology which failed. As like fascism. Still we see a rise of the same idea as like we had in the early 20th century.
It will fail again.

Again this was the claim:

This video was put out by the Nazis in 1935, it explains fascism perfectly.

Not what it leads to, or not.

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I believe I already explained that

You forgot the part where it is about "used to promote a political cause or point of view".

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Read some Mussolini quotes sometimes. Then you probably understand what fascism means.

Like this one:
In 1919 Benito Mussolini described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left"?

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Not what it leads to, or not.

Actually, it doesnt explain "fascism perfectly", as it explains fascism from a biased point of view. Dont you know the difference between bias and information that is based on facts?

Do you know the difference between desinformation and information?

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Like this one:
In 1919 Benito Mussolini described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left"?

More the one where he says fascism is a perfect symbiosis of corporate and state power.

[Forogil]

Who is Kim John II?

A variant spelling of the Eternal Leader of the necrocracy of N. Korea: Kim Jong-il.
Remember that the birth of the Eternal Leader was prophesised by a double rainbow and marked by the sight of a new star and a swallow in the sky.

However, the political compass seems inaccurate - Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jong-il, Trump, Cruz, and Thatcher are not about equally authoritarian. It's not only that the dictators (Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jong-Il) had more possibility to be authoritarian - they also actively worked to ensure that the state had that power.

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fascism is a reformation of syndicalism, inspired by world war one.
That's historical fact.

Fascism is a nationalist movement based upon a corporative state. A Neo-Roman Empire ideology.

[Forogil]

The Nazi 'brand' was far more than just those two, it had very authoritarian and strong anti-jewish ideology behind it.

Yes, it was an obvious simplification.
However, the authoritarian part goes together with the nationalism. The anti-jewish ideology goes together with both nationalism and socialism. (The Jews were also at times persecuted in Soviet Russia - partially since they were seen as the archetypical capitalists.)

Trump is the opposite of an ideologue - he shifts and twists to suit his narcissistic personality.

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Like this one:
In 1919 Benito Mussolini described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left"?

Yes, the Third Alternative. He hated both liberalism and socialism.

[Swizzington]

Except having the word "socialism" in it doesn't make it magically socialism. That is like saying North Korea is a fucking Democratic country because it has Democratic in its fucking name like it does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea Its full name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We KNOW that they are a dictatorship.

Well said. I'm finding it hard to believe that there are actually people seriously saying the Nazis were left wing.

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That whole bit about white identity politics though, that's real.
The lefts current fondness for that risks bringing forth some real problems, because when the majority group starts considering themselves a 'minority' (i.e not the whole of whom others consider themselves a minority) then bad things start to happen to minorities - And its typically very hard to make the majority culture stop think about themselves as that once they start.
Its also worth noting that due to some inherent proposition of living in a free society, these are not solvable problems either.
Imagine if the Germans hadn't elected to vote for Hitler, but instead just started refusing to shop at Jewish stores and interacting with them in any way, at some point, they would just leave.
Would that have been 'wrong' ? The only way to say that would require people to not have the right to spend their own money.
its scary, and its coming unless the left starts to advocate for civil unity really fucking fast.
because that's the problem with telling white people anything, because at some point, they start thinking about themselves as white people.

No. That would just cause ethnic tension and lead to bloodshed.

[Kalis]

PFFT you are a british moderate right winger by our standards you are no better than a soviet communist

Some posters on here claim I am far right, because I want stricter immigration policies *cough*rym*cough*

And I'm also a racist according to another. Though when challenged to say who I am supposed to be racist against, they didn't actually know.

Presumably I'm just a general racist and ethnicity isn't a factor to me - though I think that ignoring ethnicity would make me really crap at the whole racism thing - that poster then promptly called everyone from the Middle East a backward racist, which was odd.

[Elim Garak]

No, as it only contains biased informations.

Biased doesn't mean wrong.

You forgot the part where it is about "used to promote a political cause or point of view".

If you wanted to know what Nazis fascism was wouldn't it be logical to know their point of view on it? Also doesn't fascism falls under a political cause?

[Slybak]

Fascism is counter-revolutionary, in the sense that Joseph de Maistre defined counter-revolutions as "not ... a reverse revolution, but the reverse of the Revolution" - and as such is explicitly right-wing. It is the assertion of a particular hierarchy, based on national identity, in the context of that hierarchy's absence. That absence is universally blamed on forces and institutions of left-wing social corruption; Marxists, foreigners, Jews, etc. Only when those forces are overthrown and defeated can that hierarchy assert itself once again, and democratic politics is conceptualized as itself a corruptive force that stands in opposition to fascist goals. Thus fascism is autocratic in means.

It is nationalist in that it situates the protection of the national identity from these left-wing forces as the primary obligation of state power. It is socialist in that it works to mobilize the body politic into a single cohesive unit for the sole purpose of achieving this end. It is not conservative, in that it rejects orthodox traditionalism in favor of revolutionary traditionalism, but it is still very much right-wing.

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Biased doesn't mean wrong.

But biased also doesnt mean true. In the case of the movie, at the end nothing about it was true.

If you wanted to know what Nazis fascism was wouldn't it be logical to know their point of view on it?

Yes, but i wouldnt act as if fascism was what nazis pretend it to be. As it just wasnt. It failed miserably, it only adressed the bad in humans. It led to million of deaths. It destroyed germany and other european countries leaving the people behind in a split country.

When we talk about fascism, we have to talk about what it really did to mankind, and not what the nazis tried to pretend it would be. As those both definitions are quite different.