Building Unholy For Mythic+ Only.

[clickedmango]

Hey all!

Looking for your feelings on the best talents builds and stat priorities for unholy dk that plans to only really do Mythic+.

Ive heard a lot about pure mastery builds with Clawing Shadows? Also a few others. Really any information you can give would be great. Epidemic seems pretty cool too! Any good?

[Zethras]

I'm pretty sure the optimal build is Frost. :>

[spanishninja]

unholy m+ is only decent for places with huge trash pulls. the ramp up time witj wound is pretty tough on sustained trash dps

[Emeraldon]

Assuming not Skittish:

BS
PP
CS
SB
Whatever
IC
Defile

This is assuming you have 67%+ mastery.

Epidemic isn't taken because you have to use runes to damage, and by doing so you lose FS/CS damage and bursting damage.

[Cerunnir]

unholy m+ is only decent for places with huge trash pulls. the ramp up time witj wound is pretty tough on sustained trash dps

Thats not true at all, Unholy can hold their own easily on AOE. Both sustained and burst AOE is top notch, and can only be compete against by a handfull of classes. We have AMAZING burst AOE, and excellent sustained AOE.

[Nayami]

Epidemic is useful if mobs will survive your Death and Decay + Scourge Strike/Clawing Shadows spam, otherwise don't bother taking it. Usually I use 1 or 2 Epidemic stacks, and hope that during that time my pet will apply some wounds, then I use DnD + SS combo and after DnD ends, I use up the rest of my Epidemic stacks. I found its AoE useful on +12 and +13 mythics, but anything lower than +10 and trash packs will barely even survive DnD + SS combo, so you take Pestilent Pustules instead.

[Deleted]

I'm pretty sure the optimal build is Frost. :>

As Unholy, i eat Frost in 2s arenas. :>

The dude is asking for uh specc, no the frost boredom specc

[TiagoRamos]

In sims Soul Reaper gives me more dps in M+... gg

[Cerunnir]

In sims Soul Reaper gives me more dps in M+... gg

What kind of sim? Because that sounds very wierd, as defile is the stronger AoE talent.

[clickedmango]

I have played Frost for my entire DK career. I only got to about 870 with it and then I just wanted to try something new. I may even go back to Frost if I find myself dissatisfied with Unholy. However, I will say I have minimal idea on how to use Unholy the best and I still do fairly admirable dps. Especially burst aoe on pulls that was definitely doing better than Frost. I mean frost clearly has some insane cleave and decent aoe, but if anything I felt like I had to struggle and put a significant more amount of energy into sustaining good aoe as Frost. Unholy feels like it was made to be better at AoE, feels more naturally built as part of the package. Even its single target feels strong, maybe not top, but definitely competitive.

The problem is Im just reading so many different guides and reviews on the best way to build unholy for M+ and I cant find anyone who will explain why I should do such and such, they just show numbers. Numbers are clearly important but not without explanation. That's kind of what I am looking for here.

[TiagoRamos]

Ask Mr Robot, at least in the M+ section.
Anyways, im running defile in dungeons... feels better...

[Saltysquidoon]

unholy m+ is only decent for places with huge trash pulls. the ramp up time witj wound is pretty tough on sustained trash dps

I don't know unholy's pretty good at killing bosses so there's that sometimes killing bosses matters?

The issue I have with unholy is DnD's cool down is too long for M+ you basically only get to deal AoE every 2nd or 3rd pack.

[spanishninja]

I don't know unholy's pretty good at killing bosses so there's that sometimes killing bosses matters?

The issue I have with unholy is DnD's cool down is too long for M+ you basically only get to deal AoE every 2nd or 3rd pack.

that's why I said that it's good for large packs, not great for frequent pulls of 2-3 mobs at a time. Unholy is definitely more balanced for tyrannical though, especially when somebody is covering you for AOE.

[Vycaus]

Assuming not Skittish:

BS
PP
CS
SB
Whatever
IC
Defile

This is assuming you have 67%+ mastery.

Epidemic isn't taken because you have to use runes to damage, and by doing so you lose FS/CS damage and bursting damage.

For M+, this is largely correct. SR or Defile at 100 is pretty much player pref.

As for why, Bursting Spores causes your wounds to explode for damage. Sludge belcher causes your Abom to AoE in a circle, and with Infected Claw, it will apply wounds to all targets hit. DnD/Defile causes your scourge strike to hit all targets, and thus, pop all wounds. With Bursting spores, it causes each mob to cleave, on top of your aoe dot/dnd ticking, on top of you AoE scourge striking. Given that Dark Transformation is about a 1m CD, you can do this on pretty much every other pack.

UH does very well in the hands of someone who is planning ahead, either by the 3-4 GCD mark, or the 1-3 CD usage in a dungeon. you'll want to use Apoc on trash if you are 90s from a boss (3-4 trash packs away). A.) 6 wounds popping for aoe, B.) debuffs on targets.) C.) Ghouls explode after 15s. Uh is 100% about CD stacking for maximum effect, and I've never seen any class put up burst AoE numbers like I can, nor have I seen another class to 36m damage in 1 global.

[Deleted]

For M+, this is largely correct. SR or Defile at 100 is pretty much player pref.

As for why, Bursting Spores causes your wounds to explode for damage. Sludge belcher causes your Abom to AoE in a circle, and with Infected Claw, it will apply wounds to all targets hit. DnD/Defile causes your scourge strike to hit all targets, and thus, pop all wounds. With Bursting spores, it causes each mob to cleave, on top of your aoe dot/dnd ticking, on top of you AoE scourge striking. Given that Dark Transformation is about a 1m CD, you can do this on pretty much every other pack.

UH does very well in the hands of someone who is planning ahead, either by the 3-4 GCD mark, or the 1-3 CD usage in a dungeon. you'll want to use Apoc on trash if you are 90s from a boss (3-4 trash packs away). A.) 6 wounds popping for aoe, B.) debuffs on targets.) C.) Ghouls explode after 15s. Uh is 100% about CD stacking for maximum effect, and I've never seen any class put up burst AoE numbers like I can, nor have I seen another class to 36m damage in 1 global.

One of the most rewarding things in the game at the moment, for me, is those long pulls in mythics, using FE and sludge belcher to get wounds on as many unique mobs as i can, then dropping dnd and watching those numbers fly.

[TiagoRamos]

Sometimes I also use blighted rune weapon. great to stack wounds fast on trash and awesome in bosses to avoid FS 2 wounds retardness.
But yeah I absolutely understand why PP is used, but give BRW a go, even in raid

[Deleted]

Sometimes I also use blighted rune weapon. great to stack wounds fast on trash and awesome in bosses to avoid FS 2 wounds retardness.
But yeah I absolutely understand why PP is used, but give BRW a go, even in raid

I have been tempted to give brw a go purely because of on pull range crap.

I will hsve a play with it.