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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    Germans didn't start a WW alone. It was bound to happen one way or another, and pretty much all major powers would be involved.
    I think you want to find too much complexity when there is few of it.

    Let's take a look at complex wars, where no specific nation was explicitly looking for war:
    - WW1: every country was ready for war, a spark set it all up, there is no obvious guilty country
    - French Revolution Wars: the French people wanted to remove the monarchy, the other countries panicked and wanted to invade, but patriots are much more eager to fight than royalist soldiers.

    Then, let's take a look at obvious wars:
    - Louis XIV wars of conquest: it was always obvious, it had a big ego, and he wanted to make France grand, he kept on attacking his neighbours for no other reason than glory and territory
    - France-Germany in 1870: France was brilliantly played by Bismarck and deserved to be defeated as it was.

    Then, about WW2, let's take the major players at the start of the war:
    - Russia: Stalin was more into Socialism in One Country and had just butchered the army, he didn't want a major war.
    - Poland: just willing to survive between two giants
    - Balkans: arguably more stable than in 1914, this was not a major boiling region
    - Spain: civil war ending, no interest at all in a major conflict
    - Scandinavia/Benelux: small countries mostly peaceful
    - France/UK: traumatised by WW1, they kept delaying stopping Hitler by force, they didn't want more trenches

    Which leaves us with:
    - Japan: imperial country wanting to expand, at war with China who wanted to stay independent. But it was a local conflict at the time, not really part of a World War.
    - Germany: Hitler made few efforts to hide his hatred of Slavic people and his wish to expand the third German Empire, he kept expanding until France and Britain finally woke up.

    So yes, it's not unreasonable to say that Germany started WW2 alone (not WW1 though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    MMOC has a bad case of changing history.
    Says the guy that is trying to pull his own facts from his own ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilanth View Post
    You mean like how the left is obsessed with identity politics?
    The right talks an awful lot about identities for the side that supposedly doesn't like identity politics. Muslims this, Mexicans that, Chinese this, gays this, transexuals that, women this, etc.

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    They are neither left or right, they are totalitarian which means not tolerating left, right, or pretty much any other side to a story other than theirs.

    They will naturally carry both left and right wing soscioeconomic elements within, but from an outsider pov they don't seem up for debate so i don't really have to classify them as anything more than 'predator'.
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    Ah yes, the failed Democratic Left party. It's no surpise that these people still use and play with 20th century political tactics. Still using that race and gender identity politics. Meanwhile every republican and liberterian knows you guys have lost on every talking point, like lost forever! That party is unfortunately over and they deserved it. They have been oppressing people for centuries. Never forget 1863, when the republicans freed the slaves. Never forget

    They will never bounce back from this disaster. Game Over, believe me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    Ah yes, the failed Democratic Left party. It's no surpise that these people still use and play with 20th century political tactics. Still using that race and gender identity politics. Meanwhile every republican and liberterian knows you guys have lost on every talking point, like lost forever! That party is unfortunately over and they deserved it. They have been oppressing people for centuries. Never forget 1863, when the republicans freed the slaves. Never forget

    They will never bounce back from this disaster. Game Over, believe me
    You realize the democrat party was the conservative party at that point in history right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    You realize the democrat party was the conservative party at that point in history right?
    no it was not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    They have been oppressing people for centuries. Never forget 1863, when the republicans freed the slaves. Never forget

    They will never bounce back from this disaster. Game Over, believe me
    You get a F for history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democr...8.E2.80.931860

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    It's true because wikipedia say so.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRoy View Post
    It's true because wikipedia say so.
    /s
    Or you can look it up in the dictionary, history books or any number of reliable sources, I don't see how denying what has actually happened helps. It's in the past and does not reflect the views of most right wings today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracos854 View Post
    Yeah they switched . . . . lol

    Everyone was like hey lets switch names because we hate each other, ok 3, 2, 1 switch!

    Just kidding that's a conspiracy theory democrats made up to white wash their dark history or should I say dark wash their white history.

    1924 democratic KKK convention says hi

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_D...nal_Convention

    Lincoln was a Republican, just like Fredrick Douglas and MLK

    #EPICFail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    no it was not
    Yes, it was. The parties shifted sides during the civil rights era when the Democrats pissed off all the southern racists by signing the civil rights act and the Republicans swept in with the southern strategy to pick up the angry southerners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    Yeah they switched . . . . lol

    Everyone was like hey lets switch names because we hate each other, ok 3, 2, 1 switch!

    Just kidding that's a conspiracy theory democrats made up to white wash their dark history or should I say dark wash their white history.

    1924 democratic KKK convention says hi

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_D...nal_Convention

    Lincoln was a Republican, just like Fredrick Douglas and MLK

    #EPICFail
    There was a democratic republican party, neither of these are representatives of today's party and maybe you should read what you linked.

    again F in history and F in reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    Yeah they switched . . . . lol

    Everyone was like hey lets switch names because we hate each other, ok 3, 2, 1 switch!

    Just kidding that's a conspiracy theory democrats made up to white wash their dark history or should I say dark wash their white history.

    1924 democratic KKK convention says hi

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924_D...nal_Convention

    Lincoln was a Republican, just like Fredrick Douglas and MLK

    #EPICFail
    They switched in the 60s-70s. Republicans used to be the liberal party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Yes, it was. The parties shifted sides during the civil rights era when the Democrats pissed off all the southern racists by signing the civil rights act and the Republicans swept in with the southern strategy to pick up the angry southerners.
    Everyone was like hey lets switch names because we hate each other, ok 3, 2, 1 switch!

    Seriously, can you be anymore disrespectful to the ones that came before you. Re-writing history now I see?

    I think you're mad over your parties TRUE history!

    Btw, most native americans are republican. From its conception to present!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    Everyone was like hey lets switch names because we hate each other, ok 3, 2, 1 switch!

    Seriously, can you be anymore disrespectful to the one that came before you. Re-writing history now I see?

    I think you're mad over your parties TRUE history!

    Btw, most native american are republican. From its conception, until now
    People didn't switch names, they switched parties. The conservative southerners were pissed off at the Democrats for signing the Civil Rights Act. The Republican party was all to happy to pick them up using the Southern Strategy. The Republicans became more conservative to appeal to their new voter base while the Democrats became more liberal as they picked up the liberals leaving the newly conservative Republican party.

    Learn history before spouting nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    no it was not
    Facts disagree with you. But thanks for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    no it was not
    Why does MMO-Champion always ends up talking about Republicans and Democrats?
    This discussion is about Nazis, not Trump or Hillary.
    Also, a party which advocates more power to the government is not liberal. Stop using the word liberal for democrats.
    Liberal is liberty, both personal AND economic.

    As of the topic at hand, left and right are not about economy, it comes from the French Revolution.
    The left is for republic and liberty, the right is for monarchy and tradition.

    So unless you skew the meaning of Left and Right for the sake of your argument, Nazis are right wing since they were more conservative than progressist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    People didn't switch names, they switched parties. The conservative southerners were pissed off at the Democrats for signing the Civil Rights Act. The Republican party was all to happy to pick them up using the Southern Strategy.

    Learn history before spouting nonsense.
    Again, no respect for the ones that came before you. And you're wrong, very wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheerbleeder View Post
    Again, no respect for the ones that came before you. And you're wrong, very wrong.
    Ok, then explain why the southerners switched from Democrat to Republican.

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