Did Shia Lebeouf cross the line at Anti-Trump rally? Physically dominates smaller man

[Deleted]

Really >.>

Perhaps America does need safe spaces

[urasim]

I see a guy trying to shout at a camera get shouted out of his pants and shoes. Seems like a protest. Ironically, I didn't expect Lebeouf to be a liberal given his anti-whinyness Let Your Dreams Be Dreams Be Dreams video.

You kinda have to be left to join the cult of Hollywood actors. He's not a liberal in the classical sense. He's an authoritarian leftist. Shoving someone you don't agree isn't being a liberal. It's illiberal.

[Dug]

You make my exact point. He triggered Shia. Thank you.

I'm hardly whiteknighting, as I referred to beta kid as a sad/weak individual. Additionally, I've stated I have no political affiliation so I don't have a horse big enough for me to whiteknight. I don't feel bad about what happened to him. So now it just feels like you're moving the goalpost.

My initial statement was and still stands: Shia would not have done this if someone of his size was there instead, and now he looks like a moron for getting that mad at a beta who was intentionally trying to trigger him.

Great job, Shia. Pat yourself on the back.

Okay that's fine for you to think that. Ultimately Shia wanted the troll gone and he accomplished his goal. Both got what they wanted and the world's still turning.

If you've watched the stream over the past couple of days Shia doesn't just scream in everyone's face who's a Trump supporter. He got in another dude's face that was taller and larger than him but it was such a quick exchange that nothing came of it. Then yesterday a big guy with a MAGA hat came and Shia was having a discussion with him with a normal speaking voice since the guy wasn't there just screaming about memes and jews and whatever else 4chan is telling the trolls to say.

[Jotaux]

Love your consistent objectivity endus....oh wait, your the most biased and contradictory "moderator" I've ever stumbled across. I would love to see a hillary supporter treated this way for you to just say "oh wellz, safe space lulz".....you wouldnt, you're not even funny anymore, it's just so obvious you'll pop into a thread to regurgitate the same bias you always have. He didn't just yell, he continued to chest bump into and invade the man's spaces, a trump supporter did that I'd be pissed as fuck and so would you as you used it to show your own false moral superiority while giving those you disagree with a sneer. Such a fucking joke.

Don't bother with Endus, hes already stated race, sexuality, gender, etc are what defines people. I would have thought that people would have moved past discriminatory beliefs like that.

[Beazy]

You have to admit, Lebeouf screams way better than the other guy.

[Celista]

If you watch the video with the sound off, it looks like Shia is trying to eat him.

Politics aside - I respect freedom of speech and the right to protest - but is Shia crossing the line here with the physicalness?

No, that guy was lucky to not get his ass beat. I've seen physical fights break out for far less.

[urasim]

No. it's not. Again, you can not "hold your ground" in many states and then claim self defense. You can only use self defense if you are unable to flee. But yeah go ahead and think personal attacks while change facts.

Well, I think we have a winner for the silliest and incorrect statement of the day.

"Self-defense is defined as the right to prevent suffering force or violence through the use of a sufficient level of counteracting force or violence."

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...-overview.html

[twiddler]

You kinda have to be left to join the cult of Hollywood actors. He's not a liberal in the classical sense. He's an authoritarian leftist. Shoving someone you don't agree isn't being a liberal. It's illiberal.

Indeed. It's unfortunate that such tactics are only acceptable and expected of conservatives.

[SandmanActual]

Okay that's fine for you to think that. Ultimately Shia wanted the troll gone and he accomplished his goal. Both got what they wanted and the world's still turning.

If you've watched the stream over the past couple of days Shia doesn't just scream in everyone's face who's a Trump supporter. He got in another dude's face that was taller and larger than him but it was such a quick exchange that nothing came of it. Then yesterday a big guy with a MAGA hat came and Shia was having a discussion with him with a normal speaking voice since the guy wasn't there just screaming about memes and jews and whatever else 4chan is telling the trolls to say.

Cool. Glad to hear that.

[Ealyssa]

I understand Shia is a very muscly/buff actor]

Just like WTF ? He is neither of those.

How insecure are you ? Do you need a safe space ?

[Cyberowl]

You have to admit, Lebeouf screams way better than the other guy.

Well, after all he isn't the average 4chan/t_D poster. A nerdy internet tough guy who still waits for his voice to break. :^)

[Endus]

How you, and others in this thread, can downplay shoving someone around is scary.

I saw no "shoving", just Shia getting in his face.

You may want to take some of your own advice from past threads;

Also, keep your safe space stuff to yourself and the rest of the emotionally stunted children on the far left. I prefer to take challenges head on.

Go find a safe space and a coloring book. The real world is where the adults go to talk about issues that are negative and positive. We don't need your fluffy wuffy children language here, nor do we need to censor "harmful" language.

For someone who's been so condemning of safe spaces in the past, it's pretty telling that you're this upset that this guy didn't get one, here.

[Endus]

Love your consistent objectivity endus....oh wait, your the most biased and contradictory "moderator" I've ever stumbled across. I would love to see a hillary supporter treated this way for you to just say "oh wellz, safe space lulz".....you wouldnt, you're not even funny anymore, it's just so obvious you'll pop into a thread to regurgitate the same bias you always have. He didn't just yell, he continued to chest bump into and invade the man's spaces, a trump supporter did that I'd be pissed as fuck and so would you as you used it to show your own false moral superiority while giving those you disagree with a sneer. Such a fucking joke.

I've pretty much never supported the concept of "safe spaces", outside of a room people can retreat to for some peace and quiet on some university campuses. There's no "inconsistency", there's you folks upset that I'm not your ridiculous manufactured straw man.

I'm a firm supporter of free speech. Leboeuf was being rude, here, but I don't see it as being criminal in any way, and it's certainly not something unexpected when someone tries to counter-protest pretty much anywhere. If you can't handle speech in response to your own speech, you've got the right to keep your mouth shut.

[urasim]

I saw no "shoving", just Shia getting in his face.

You may want to take some of your own advice from past threads;



For someone who's been so condemning of safe spaces in the past, it's pretty telling that you're this upset that this guy didn't get one, here.

You are by far the most dishonest person here.

You had to dig up post from really far back and take them out of context. You know very well that the safe spaces I was talking about is a place to hide from idea that oppose yours. There was shoving no matter what you say.

Saying someone should be held accountable for PHYSICAL SHOVING SOMEONE isn't the same as asking for a place to hide from your point of view. Go somewhere else and lie about other people. No one likes dishonest people.

[zEmini]

Watched this without sound. Shia la'whatever is acting like a psychopath. I think if I was ever in that position, I would of instinctively head butted his mouth.

[Endus]

You are by far the most dishonest person here.

You had to dig up post from really far back and take them out of context. You know very well that the safe spaces I was talking about is a place to hide from idea that oppose yours. There was shoving no matter what you say.

Saying someone should be held accountable for PHYSICAL SHOVING SOMEONE isn't the same as asking for a place to hide from your point of view. Go somewhere else and lie about other people. No one likes dishonest people.

I don't see a single point in that video where Shia lays hands son the guy. Not once. Just watched it again to double-check.

And I really don't see how I took anything "out of context". You're literally complaining here that the counter-protestor didn't get a safe space to counter-protest. And in the past, you've been heavily critical of "safe spaces". That's hypocrisy. I only removed the surrounding context because I didn't want to derail this thread with the topics of those threads, just highlight your past position on "safe spaces".

[urasim]

Did you just read the fucking headline or something? In your own source



And here we have a winner for most ignorant statement of the day.

Thanks for the source by the way.

You didn't read very far...

"A duty to retreat generally means that you can't resort to deadly force in self-defense if you can safely avoid the risk of harm or death (by running away, for example)"

I don't see a single point in that video where Shia lays hands son the guy. Not once. Just watched it again to double-check.

And I really don't see how I took anything "out of context". You're literally complaining here that the counter-protestor didn't get a safe space to counter-protest. And in the past, you've been heavily critical of "safe spaces". That's hypocrisy.

HANDS! Shoving doesn't always involve hands. You can use your body or objects to shove someone.

Again, stop being dishonest.

[Deleted]

Thread confirms trolls need safe spaces... It may surprise people but generally if you behave like a cunt in public you get treated like a cunt in public

[twiddler]

HANDS! Shoving doesn't always involve hands. You can use your body or objects to shove someone.

Again, stop being dishonest.

Jesus. If that's the case--if getting into each other's grill is shoving--then both shoved each other... It was like an 8 Mile freestyle battle.

[Mosotti]

I understand Shia is a very muscly/buff actor

If this motherfucker is muscly, them my dick is The Rock. This is just a talentless cretin.