2016-2017 NBA Thread

**Blueobelisk** · 2017-01-17, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by PhaelixWW

The NBA last two minute report for the game has a clean video of the incident in question.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. On one hand, that's technically a technical foul. On the other hand, he's the god of basketball and drama/explosiveness like that is what makes the NBA games get views. So...I'd let it slide if I was a ref. It's not like he was preventing them from inbounding.

Originally Posted by fixit

Haven't posted in mmo nba for ages, over the past 2 years i kinda felt there were a lot of under educated and over opinionated dicks here that tried to act like they knew more about bball than the next man. There is no reason at all to call people insults over there sports opinions. If you did that to someones face where i come from it would most likely get slapped off. Anyway, happy new year.

I remember you, fixit. Post some more. Even if I am under-educated and over-opinionated, and I think I know more than Adam Silver about basketball.

**jregz** · 2017-01-17, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Crissi

Reread, and misread phaelix's post. Still, I advise you two to cut it out, since I know this stems back to the debates over the collapse in the previous matchup. Don't bait each other.

Crissi, besides my last comment, when was I baiting or otherwise impolite? Frankly, I thought our debate was quite civil up until his last remark.

Originally Posted by PhaelixWW

I'm not playing dumb, I just think your definition of a collapse is missing a key component. To collapse, it requires not just a swing in points, or a swing in win percentage (which honestly can be exacerbated by the relative difference in the game and the lateness of the run), but it requires that the lead be established before it is lost.

In the previous game, I'd call the 14 point Warriors swing a run and the Cavs 14 point swing a run because they were quick, and back to back. 95% of that game was spent within 5 points of even. The Warriors made a push and grew that lead to 14 super-briefly before the Cavs made a similar push to even the game again.

I've already covered this. Point swings happen, but not that big or that often especially toward the end of games. Said another way: if the Warriors ran off a run to take a 14 point lead with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter against the Cavs (or really any team) and we ran this scenario a million times, how often do you think they'll lose?

There's a reason for that 3.4% win probability for the Cavs at that point.

If it bothers you so much, we can stop here and chalk it up to semantics.

From my POV: I'm going to call a 96.6% win probability that ended in a loss a collapse.

Deleted · 2017-01-17, 11:51 PM

Well the NBA plan definitely worked. As always.

Here we are - usually reserved posters flaming about meaningless regular season game.
One can only imagine what happens in more active forums.

**bergmann620** · 2017-01-18, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Blueobelisk

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. On one hand, that's technically a technical foul. On the other hand, he's the god of basketball and drama/explosiveness like that is what makes the NBA games get views. So...I'd let it slide if I was a ref. It's not like he was preventing them from inbounding.

The thing I think it's important to remember about those 'last 2 minutes' reports is that they, by definition, totally lack context.

I'm not saying that it's a straight-up 1-to-1 ratio or anything, but 'make-up' calls are certainly a thing, and they explain much of what we see in terms of some calls getting made and other calls not getting made. To achieve anything resembling a balanced perspective, we'd need to sit an unbiased observer down and have them review made and missed calls throughout a game and then see how balanced they are.

Having watched that game from open to close, from kind-of biased eyes (I live near Cleveland, and am a fan, but my 'real' team is the Spurs), the Cavs were owed a tech from the stupid one assessed to RJ for winking at Durant, and they were owed a solid no-call for the blatant charge committed by KD against Love earlier in the game that resulted in two free-throws.

As for last night's game, I luckily didn't watch a second of it. That said, if it has any meaning, it has about the same meaning as the beatdown the Spurs put on the Warriors at the beginning of the season. Barring injury or a Spursian intervention, these two teams will settle their differences in the Finals again, and that atmosphere will go a long way toward evening those two teams up.

**jregz** · 2017-01-18, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Arqentum

One can only imagine what happens in more active forums.

Less inclination to grandstand from a high horse over a comment that was, at worst, a mild rebuke.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Originally Posted by fixit

Haven't posted in mmo nba for ages, over the past 2 years i kinda felt there were a lot of under educated and over opinionated dicks here that tried to act like they knew more about bball than the next man. There is no reason at all to call people insults over there sports opinions. If you did that to someones face where i come from it would most likely get slapped off. Anyway, happy new year.

**Blueobelisk** · 2017-01-20, 07:55 PM

All Star starters got named last night.

East Starters: DeMar DeRozan, Kyrie Irving, LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jimmy Butler
West Starters: Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis, James Harden

**bergmann620** · 2017-01-20, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Blueobelisk

All Star starters got named last night.

East Starters: DeMar DeRozan, Kyrie Irving, LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jimmy Butler
West Starters: Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis, James Harden

I know that, to a degree, it's always been this way, but All-Star selection is so fucked.

On the one hand, it could be a lot of fun seeing almost nothing but PG's and SF's out there. On the other hand, where the fuck is Boogie?

We have added more than 6 teams in the last 30 years, and 25% of the rosters in the league are now foreign-born. They need to do something to expand the rosters- Maybe make it so the top 4 guards, 4 forwards, and 2 centers are each team's 'Honorary Starters' and the coaches pick another 10.

(Positions, though, are damn near stupid at this point. There are like 2 star shooting guards in the league, and most 'star' point guards take three shots for every assist they dish. Don't even get me started on 'power' forwards and centers. There are what, 5 starting-caliber centers in the league?)

**Blueobelisk** · 2017-01-20, 11:09 PM