RIP Elite Sets

[Raelbo]

You guys act like people are inspecting you in cities and drooling at your gear. That doesn't happen

The irony is that even the guy with the awesome gear is probably so self absorbed and worried about trying to impress everyone else with how awesome he is that he doesn't even notice the other 2 people on his realm who are in the same position.

This must be one of the saddest protests I have ever seen.

[Deleted]

Mythic PVE gear should be removed from the game as well once the tier ends, but i guess its too late for that.

The argument being? (Except for the elitist attitude portrayed in this post already)

[Not A Cat]

You're saying the same thing again.

Where do you get the idea that ANY elite set is available apart from the current season's one?

Why do you keep saying this? No elite sets are available except the current season's.

Well elite sets weren't added until cata, but pvp didn't drastically change from WotLK to Cata rating wise

[toxiq]

Let's say there's a night elf male DK called "deethkinght". For years he had played arena, but never got higher than 1700 because he's just not good at games, and also lacking in intellect.

Legion hits, he plays WWDK at the start of season and gets 2.3. He never improved as a player, he just played an insanely retarded comp in a retarded expansion.

Now deethkinght has every elite set in the game despite going back to being stuck at 1700 every season after.

Remember your elite set that was pretty damn hard to get in season 11? 5 years ago that barely anyone got? Yep, this guy has it.

Deethkinght in his previously highly prestigious transmog then proceeds to run around in BGs saying stuff like "kill heler noobis" and "omg why no heal".

Your rewards are now worthless.

You are so wrong dude...here is another example. That guy deethkay could be playing warr or hunter at season 11, or some MLS/shater/shadowplay castershit, these setups were basicly as OP as WWDK at the start of legion season 2. It was press 3 buttons get 2.2k back then. So people literraly spammed fears 24/7 and got 2.2-2.5k do they deserve Elite gear? Its WoW PVP you are talking about, there is/was FOTM every single season and trust me, Legion season 2 WWDK is nothing compared to season 5 TSG, or season 7 beastcleave, or season 9 KFC.
There are also a lot of people who just deleted the gear coz there was no xmog back then. Do they deserve to have it?

[Krusza]

Seriously? Its exatcly the same thing They have only cosmetic value now and both are useless in any other way. Both were "hard" to obtain back in the day when they were top tier.

Quote for truth, since for every 1 elitist person (arguing against the release of elite pvp gear for transmog) there are 50 other people with the same mythic raiding tier from WoD who never did it when it was relevant.

Let me explain the difference between elite gear and tier gear.


Tier Gear:

Becomes irrelevant with the release of every new tier. It's not a reward, it's a means to progression. You get better gear to progress to the next tier and so on. This is a fundamental core of MMORPGs, you get better gear to get better gear to get better gear.... etc.


Elite Gear:

Forget the fact it's gear, it's a cosmetic reward. It's not related to progression, you don't use it to progress through the next season and it's not a progression stepping stone. It doesn't give any advantages apart from being an exclusive cosmetic reward to players who reached a rating threshold in a certain season.

You cannot compare the two because elite gear isn't really "gear", it's a cosmetic reward.

[Not A Cat]

Let me explain the difference between elite gear and tier gear.


Tier Gear:

Becomes irrelevant with the release of every new tier. It's not a reward, it's a means to progression. You get better gear to progress to the next tier and so on. This is a fundamental core of MMORPGs, you get better gear to get better gear to get better gear.... etc.


Elite Gear:

Forget the fact it's gear, it's a cosmetic reward. It's not related to progression, you don't use it to progress through the next season and it's not a progression stepping stone. It doesn't give any advantages apart from being an exclusive cosmetic reward to players who reached a rating threshold in a certain season.

You cannot compare the two because elite gear isn't really "gear", it's a cosmetic reward.

You can only use that argument for WoD and Legion though. Before WoD it was a means to progression and not just cosmetic.

[Krusza]

You are so wrong dude...here is another example. That guy deethkay could be playing warr or hunter at season 11, or some MLS/shater/shadowplay castershit, these setups were basicly as OP as WWDK at the start of legion season 2. It was press 3 buttons get 2.2k back then. So people literraly spammed fears 24/7 and got 2.2-2.5k do they deserve Elite gear? Its WoW PVP you are talking about, there is/was FOTM every single season and trust me, Legion season 2 WWDK is nothing compared to season 5 TSG, or season 7 beastcleave, or season 9 KFC.
There are also a lot of people who just deleted the gear coz there was no xmog back then. Do they deserve to have it?

Oh, I know there has always been a retarded season for specific comps.

What you need to realize is that you can dismiss that player. WoD Turbo elite shaman? Yeah, no.

The problem is that someone can play an OP comp in season 21 and get an elite set from 10 seasons ago when their spec might have been an underdog spec. Someone who played and got it that season would probably be very happy with their set, as it's extremely rare. Well not any more! Your spec 10 seasons later can global people to 2.2 mmr so they get your set!

[Deleted]

Let me explain the difference between elite gear and tier gear.


Tier Gear:

Becomes irrelevant with the release of every new tier. It's not a reward, it's a means to progression. You get better gear to progress to the next tier and so on. This is a fundamental core of MMORPGs, you get better gear to get better gear to get better gear.... etc.


Elite Gear:

Forget the fact it's gear, it's a cosmetic reward. It's not related to progression, you don't use it to progress through the next season and it's not a progression stepping stone. It doesn't give any advantages apart from being an exclusive cosmetic reward to players who reached a rating threshold in a certain season.

You cannot compare the two because elite gear isn't really "gear", it's a cosmetic reward.

Except the fact that it was a method to progressing your character from season to season, in order to gain more power. Sound a lot like PvE tier gear doesn't it?

Season 12 Elite: http://www.wowhead.com/item=85077/ma...late-shoulders

Season 15 Elite: http://www.wowhead.com/item=102685/p...late-shoulders

[Serissa]

What is my set?

I have 8 elite sets and my spec was OP every single season?

Yeah, okay. Considering there's no way to know what sets they are, you're making up horseshit.

It doesn't really matter what set exactly. Because if you was not OP that specific season then you bought boost. Buying boost doesn't make reward more prestigios comparing to faceroll OP class.

Yes I totally bought a boost on a class that I got elite sets for every season prior.

[supertigerlamp]

This is the definition of non-issue, imo.

If you're that insecure with yourself that you have to worry about whether or not people are able to enjoy getting these sets well after they were relevant, that's a you problem. It doesn't take away from your accomplishments and achievements if you got them when they were difficult. All you are looking for is the ability to continually be a special little snowflake so you can continue to feel superior to people you've never met.

Enjoy the fact you did it when it was difficult. No one can take that away from you. That you're upset you can no longer wear those achievements like a sandwich board to flaunt to other people is something you'll either learn to deal with, or you won't. Anyone that quits a game they otherwise enjoy because of something as inconsequential as this -- you won't be missed.

[Not A Cat]

Except the fact that it was a method to progressing your character from season to season, in order to gain more power. Sound a lot like PvE tier gear doesn't it?

He's talking about stats, and elite gear stopped having stats at the start of WoD and was purely cosmetic to try and soften the gear curve in pvp. A great change imo

[Krusza]

It doesn't really matter what set exactly. Because if you was not OP that specific season then you bought boost. Buying boost doesn't make reward more prestigios comparing to faceroll OP class.

Anyone who got an elite set when their spec wasn't OP bought a boost?

Are you retarded, sir?

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He's talking about stats, and elite gear stopped having stats at the start of WoD and was purely cosmetic to try and soften the gear curve in pvp. A great change imo

It stopped having stats after season 12 (first mop season)

Even then, it was only a slight weapon advantage. Rest of the gear was the same as normal.

[Raelbo]

You don't care because you didn't get it during vanilla. People who get it during vanilla do care.

Of course people care about awesome feats they accomplished back in the day, and sure, for some of those people, hanging onto some pieces of gear is a reminder of those accomplishments. What I am saying is that they don't give a toss about the gear anyone else got, which is why this idea that you should feel threatened by some undeserving peon getting the same gear long after the fact is just silly.

In short, the gear you got back in the day has value to you. It has nothing to do with how easy the gear is to obtain today.

What's more important to Blizzard : retaining old players who worked hard to get something special or getting new players and give them the same rewards for free and let veteran players leave the game because they now are at the same level as newcomers? Blizzard chose the second option and that's one of the reason of subs decreasing imo.

That's a ridiculous strawman. Bringing back new ways to obtain old exclusive vanity items =/= letting veteran players leave the game. Honestly, if a veteran is going to leave the game for such a petulant and frivolous reason, I don't think that there is anything Blizzard can do to keep them and would be better off by focussing on the keeping it's sane playerbase happy.

[Deleted]

It stopped having stats after season 12 (first mop season)

Even then, it was only a slight weapon advantage. Rest of the gear was the same as normal.

Nope:

Season 12: http://www.wowhead.com/item=85077/ma...late-shoulders

Season 15: http://www.wowhead.com/item=102685/p...late-shoulders

[Not A Cat]

This is the definition of non-issue, imo.

If you're that insecure with yourself that you have to worry about whether or not people are able to enjoy getting these sets well after they were relevant, that's a you problem. It doesn't take away from your accomplishments and achievements if you got them when they were difficult. All you are looking for is the ability to continually be a special little snowflake so you can continue to feel superior to people you've never met.

Enjoy the fact you did it when it was difficult. No one can take that away from you. That you're upset you can no longer wear those achievements like a sandwich board to flaunt to other people is something you'll either learn to deal with, or you won't. Anyone that quits a game they otherwise enjoy because of something as inconsequential as this -- you won't be missed.

Honestly, the amount we care about other players is so little these days. The last time I "admired" someone's gear was this dude in full T6 with warglaives who would stand by the tree in the trade district. And again, the raiding scene was barren with respect to where it's at now.

[Krusza]

Nope:

Season 12: http://www.wowhead.com/item=85077/ma...late-shoulders

Season 15: http://www.wowhead.com/item=102685/p...late-shoulders

Yep:

It had stats, but it was the same as the normal gear.

The only thing that was different was the weapon, it had a slight ilvl increase. After S12 everything had the same stats as normal gear, just a different appearance.

http://www.wowdb.com/items/85108-mal...ladiators-pike
http://www.wowdb.com/items/84786-mal...ladiators-pike

And gear:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=84987/ma...ate-chestpiece
http://www.wowhead.com/item=84797/ma...ate-chestpiece

[Deleted]

Yep:

It had stats, but it was the same as the normal gear.

The only thing that was different was the weapon, it had a slight ilvl increase. After S12 everything had the same stats as normal gear, just a different appearance.

Still an increase from season -> season - just like PvE raiding tiers

[rda]

A few hours ago, Holinka confirmed that an idea is in the works that makes you able to purchase old elite sets for 2.2 CR.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/...page=1#post-16

I shouldn't need to point out the flaws in this. It means one-time 2.2 Legion heroes can access every elite set. PvP rewards are barely existent at this point, and this only makes it worse.

I'm sure the people that went from 1600-2200 because how dumbed down Legion is support this change, but I know many other people who will quit because of this change. Elite sets were for people that got high rating in the season when it was current, you can tell how many times people got high rating, and sets from season 12 backwards are incredibly rare now.

I don't think this is a bad thing.

To the contrary, I'd like them to reward currently unavailable sets - such as those for old challenge modes - in some way.

I'd rather they stick a date to each gear piece and / or make it simple to signal that you obtained the reward when it was actual, not post-mortem, in some way (some play on titles? changed character frame to indicate that you are a true glad of whatever period?), but allowing people to get the gear they want is good, not bad.

[Serissa]

Anyone who got an elite set when their spec wasn't OP bought a boost?

Are you retarded, sir?

Anyone? Since when are we talking about "anyone"? Wasn't this entire thread about your butthurt? Because your "effort" buying boosts going to be devalued to zero?

[Not A Cat]

Still an increase from season -> season - just like PvE raiding tiers

The stats were the same on Season 12 gear as Season 12 Elite gear.

But again the claim is that PvE gear isn't the reward for PvE, just a means of progression and that there is no reward. But then PvP is given a reward while PvE isn't. Bad design considering their goal is to allow players to play both, the opportunity for gear should be equal.