Who is your favorite Warchief and why?

[Friendlyimmolation]

"So, we've got to get Odyn to give us his Pillar of Creation. How do we do it?"
"Let's begin by pissing him off, stealing his Val'kyr and making a pact with his main enemy."

Common sense 101

You know aside from the fact odyn doesn't care at all.

so no.

he did more than this, just look orgrimmar and the horde power before/after him, and how he fuck up the ally bases on durotar/kalindor

also, theramore>>>>

I must have forgot when Garrosh did all of that after just a month as WC.

[Zulkhan]

My guts would totally tell me Orgrim Doomhammer because the guy was great in his own way but preferences aside, if I have to be objective then Thrall easily wins the top spot. Yes, he had his flaws and wasn't perfect but ultimately achieved more for the orcs and the Horde than any other Warchief ever did, diametrically opposed to Garrosh who did a lot of ruckus and mess but, on the end of the day, achieved literally nothing besides wasting Horde resources everywhere. He rebuilt Orgrimmar, I guess? That's literally all and is not really much once compared to all the bullshit.

also, theramore>>>>

Theramore is regarded as a success only because people forget that Garrosh's main goal was dominion over Kalimdor, plan that failed miserably and made the destruction of Theramore an absolutely moot achievement (more so once considered what Garrosh needed in order to achieve it).

[Syegfryed]

Theramore is regarded as a success only because people forget that Garrosh's main goal was dominion over Kalimdor, plan that failed miserably and made the destruction of Theramore an absolutely moot achievement (more so once considered what Garrosh needed in order to achieve it).

the plan failed because everyone pussy out, and pandaria and SoO happens

[McNeil]

Thrall in WC3, Garrosh in WoW.

[Zulkhan]

the plan failed because everyone pussy out, and pandaria and SoO happens

Bullcrap. Everyone followed Garrosh's plan, regardless of anyone's opinion about it. The plan failed because Garrosh's plans always fail. His planning is always reckless and ambitious, ultimately chewing more than one could swallow. He did that once again in MoP when he failed to control the Divine Bell and sacrificed several of his soldiers for nothing. If the rebellion happened and only a bunch of crazed fanatics kept following Garrosh is exactly because 90% of the Horde grew tired of Garrosh's bullshit and empty promises.

[Sinraye]

Sylvanas because she's Sylvanas. It's like asking which is your favorite super hero and you answer Batman, and then they ask why Batman among all these super powered heroes and you answer because he's Batman. In other words, Sylvanas is Batman.

[Syegfryed]

Bullcrap. Everyone followed Garrosh's plan, regardless of anyone's opinion about it. The plan failed because Garrosh's plans always fail. His planning is always reckless and ambitious, ultimately chewing more than one could swallow. He did that once again in MoP when he failed to control the Divine Bell and sacrificed several of his soldiers for nothing. If the rebellion happened and only a bunch of crazed fanatics kept following Garrosh is exactly because 90% of the Horde grew tied of Garrosh's bullshit and empty promises.

you sound a bit salt, did garrosh stole your lunch?

he left the "plan" to take kalindor because of pandaria, this is a lot obvious

[Baneador]

Garrosh, with him the Horde reached the industrial era, he took territories for the horde, forged alliances and kicked asses, then Pandaria happens and Blizzard transform him in Hitler, sadly.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Garrosh Hellscream.

He gave us wins, he gave us the new Orgrimmar, he gave us MoP's Horde vs Alliance storyline... Sylvanas has been warchief for such a short time that I can't comment on her actions as of yet, so far I've only seen her fail vs Greymane with that Val'kyr story.

[TheFirstOnes]

You do realize sylvanas was doing stuff before she became WC


Anyways its a tie for me between Sylvanas and Cata Garry, for 2nd place and Vanilla through wotlk thrall for 1st place.

And half of that stuff was under garrosh's rule. And half of what she did either failed, ended in a stalemate, or was done by other people. Want me to bring up ver victories?

Raise a few val'kyr

Take The Ruins of Lorderon

Take out the scarlet crusade (Not really her doing...but ok).

Take PARTS of gilneas, while losing it at the same time.

Dying 3 TIMES (Yes, 3 times..).

Killing the LK (Not totally her doing either, since tirion did more of the work, and we're non-cannon...I THINK).

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Sylvanas because she's Sylvanas. It's like asking which is your favorite super hero and you answer Batman, and then they ask why Batman among all these super powered heroes and you answer because he's Batman. In other words, Sylvanas is Batman.

But, there are difference between them.

Batman is ATLEAST likeable, with the actions that he does. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that he actually defeated peeps....ALONE!

[Dartz1979]

sylvanas cause she's so sexy and the first female main horde leader.. horde needs to have more female lores they only have sylvanas. and garona from what i seen.

[TheFirstOnes]

Bullcrap. Everyone followed Garrosh's plan, regardless of anyone's opinion about it. The plan failed because Garrosh's plans always fail. His planning is always reckless and ambitious, ultimately chewing more than one could swallow. He did that once again in MoP when he failed to control the Divine Bell and sacrificed several of his soldiers for nothing. If the rebellion happened and only a bunch of crazed fanatics kept following Garrosh is exactly because 90% of the Horde grew tired of Garrosh's bullshit and empty promises.

Actually, it was not because of the fact that garrosh was "Always a failure". Remember Theramoore? Remember what ACTUALLY happened with the divine bell? Remember the vale? Garrosh conquered, he fought, and he destroyed. He lost, because he under-estimated our might. We built an army, he had peasents fight us, while he was absorbing the heart of an old god. He used that power against that old god's will. He controlled it, he was stable. He thought us as peasents, but we were together. Garrosh would've won..but...like all BS plot-lines go...

FRIENDSHIP ALWAYS WINS! .....

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sylvanas cause she's so sexy and the first female main horde leader.. horde needs to have more female lores they only have sylvanas. and garona from what i seen.

So..you vote for her cause she's a female, and hot? Despite her being a necro failure?

-___- Ok....

[Friendlyimmolation]

And half of that stuff was under garrosh's rule. And half of what she did either failed, ended in a stalemate, or was done by other people. Want me to bring up ver victories?

Raise a few val'kyr

Take The Ruins of Lorderon

Take out the scarlet crusade (Not really her doing...but ok).

Take PARTS of gilneas, while losing it at the same time.

Dying 3 TIMES (Yes, 3 times..).

Killing the LK (Not totally her doing either, since tirion did more of the work, and we're non-cannon...I THINK).

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But, there are difference between them.

Batman is ATLEAST likeable, with the actions that he does. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that he actually defeated peeps....ALONE!

To say garrosh actively tried to help the forsaken is a joke

The forsaken devastated the alliance of northern ek, their strongest position is now in the hinterlands, she destroyed the alliance when they invaded from gilnaes and from the plaugelands and from alterac or wherever the storm pike came from. The destruction of the scarlet crusade wasn't her doing? The forsaken pretty much took scarlet Monstary apart.

Sure she lost gilnaes but took it back up until legion where the forsaken blockade left.


Even when garrosh tried to hamper her she succeeded, Garrosh cracked under pressure or something else.

[TheFirstOnes]

You know aside from the fact odyn doesn't care at all.

so no.



I must have forgot when Garrosh did all of that after just a month as WC.

Atleast he did something. Atleast he TRIED! And atleast he actually did damage to us.

Also, odyn doesn't care? I'm pretty sure, that when you make a deal with the sea-witch that's trying to kill odyn, while wanting immortality, while en-slaving his val'kyr, pushing back his duty as a titan-watcher, you'd be pretty confused, and rather kind of pissed. Right? Yeeeaahhh....

[Dartz1979]

Actually, it was not because of the fact that garrosh was "Always a failure". Remember Theramoore? Remember what ACTUALLY happened with the divine bell? Remember the vale? Garrosh conquered, he fought, and he destroyed. He lost, because he under-estimated our might. We built an army, he had peasents fight us, while he was absorbing the heart of an old god. He used that power against that old god's will. He controlled it, he was stable. He thought us as peasents, but we were together. Garrosh would've won..but...like all BS plot-lines go...

FRIENDSHIP ALWAYS WINS! .....

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So..you vote for her cause she's a female, and hot? Despite her being a necro failure?

-___- Ok....

I like her voice too is very sexy.

[Teri]

Sylvanas, but she needs more continued storytelling after Stormheim.

Remember she might have her own sinister plans, but the Wrathgate plague was not entirely her doing, and the theramore bomb was just as bad if not worse.

She wants a future for the Forsaken, and is similar to Illidan in doing her own things that might be conceived evil by most to do good in the end.

[Syegfryed]

So..you vote for her cause she's a female, and hot? Despite her being a necro failure?

-___- Ok....

this is what the most sylvannas fanbase think, not new here

i bet the devs tough the same thing

[TheFirstOnes]

To say garrosh actively tried to help the forsaken is a joke

The forsaken devastated the alliance of northern ek, their strongest position is now in the hinterlands, she destroyed the alliance when they invaded from gilnaes and from the plaugelands and from alterac or wherever the storm pike came from. The destruction of the scarlet crusade wasn't her doing? The forsaken pretty much took scarlet Monstary apart.

Sure she lost gilnaes but took it back up until legion where the forsaken blockade left.


Even when garrosh tried to hamper her she succeeded, Garrosh cracked under pressure or something else.

Garrosh didn't even help her. He ORDERED Her to take gilneas.

When Sylvanas tried to raise her undead, garrosh saw. He say that they were defiling the laws of nature, something that he learned from thrall. He fought the LKs forces, he saw the undead, rising. He saw them, trying to prevent themselves from the after-life. Garrosh asked her the difference between her, and the LK, because he was questioned. And sylvanas back-mouthed him, he snapped at such a smirkish remark. He called her a bitch, and left. He didn't have time for her meddling. He couldn't be bothered. Besides, sylvanas did call him to such an "Important" event....

Sylvanas pissed him off, she disgusted him, she defied live's rule. And garrosh hated that. Garrosh knows reason. He knows choice, he ordered her. He cared for his army. He doesn't take such smirks from a "Banshee". That's why I love garrosh. He pops, he orders, he sees, he judges, he leads. Simple. He doesn't do some assassins creed shit, or any of that edgy BS. He is an orc, a champion.

Warchief= Orc, not a Dead Elf....

LEADER= Other races, including orcs...

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this is what the most sylvannas fanbase think, not new here

i bet the devs tough the same thing

Nah. The devs atleast punish sylvanas for her actions.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Atleast he did something. Atleast he TRIED! And atleast he actually did damage to us.

Also, odyn doesn't care? I'm pretty sure, that when you make a deal with the sea-witch that's trying to kill odyn, while wanting immortality, while en-slaving his val'kyr, pushing back his duty as a titan-watcher, you'd be pretty confused, and rather kind of pissed. Right? Yeeeaahhh....

Odyn flat out enslaves people for shits and giggles, he probably though sylvanas was hilarious or he just shouted valor a bunch

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this is what the most sylvannas fanbase think, not new here

i bet the devs tough the same thing

"People only like sylvanas cuz she's a girl"

Speaks volumes of you

[shise]

garrosh is the only warcheif I've ever liked. he was building into a great character in cata they kinda threw that away in mop. but he became the biggest manliest orc ever the only orc willing to be a dick and not hide behind the stupid honor pretext.

Do you realize that honor is basic manners for orcs?
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Obviously, Thrall was the greatest from a politics point of view. He was trying to get alliance and horde to work together. He was also powerful and wise as no other warchief of the horde has ever been. Then again, he had other duties on his way...

Sylvanas is dangerous, she is unstable and she doesn´t really care that much for the Horde, she follows her own thoughts ever since the Lich King screwed her.