The Nighthold Mythic Race Progression

[fuzzylogic111]

Why are you guys discussing tuning and how fast bosses are falling over as a negative on blizzard;s part?

Do you know how much time and effort these guilds racing for #1 put into their raid?

Blizzard cannot tune for these madmen doing 5+ split runs as well as THOUSANDS of mythic+ clears on their mains... of course bosses are going to fall over if you have a full set of heroic gear and fully decked artifact... the raid is tuned for the average mythic raider (3-4 day a week guild, one character requirement ect.) so they can clear it with enough time to rest before the next patch.

If anything the question should be how can they stop split runs, not they need to tune bosses tighter for a 0.001% of the game's community.

top raiders are more important than the rest of us

[jsz]

asia has entered the race, prepare for some shady shit

[Metaz]

Why are you guys discussing tuning and how fast bosses are falling over as a negative on blizzard;s part?

Do you know how much time and effort these guilds racing for #1 put into their raid?

Blizzard cannot tune for these madmen doing 5+ split runs as well as THOUSANDS of mythic+ clears on their mains... of course bosses are going to fall over if you have a full set of heroic gear and fully decked artifact... the raid is tuned for the average mythic raider (3-4 day a week guild, one character requirement ect.) so they can clear it with enough time to rest before the next patch.

If anything the question should be how can they stop split runs, not they need to tune bosses tighter for a 0.001% of the game's community.

And I think that is the problem with Legion, time = power. They went from WoD to Legion with no weekly breakpoint

[munkeyinorbit]

pretty sure you are some kind of autistic manchild ;^)

Infracted

Did they get a ban for cheating as well?

[Deleted]

top raiders are more important than the rest of us

Not true, and this is exactly the limit of wow esport and world firsts. Take for example Lionel Messi (or Tom Brady, if you follow NFL). They are more important than millions of players around the world playing their game. Why? Because they create interest in the game, millions of people look at them, they GENERATE business. Method and Serenity? No one gives a damn shit about them. Thats the real truth. Except us on these forums and some thousands of people around the world. Millions of WOW players dont give a damn about what they do (and most dont even know who they actually are) and they play WOW for totally different reasons. Method/Serenity/whatever generate just a very tiny small business for the game and Blizzard. So no, they are not important than rest of us.

[Vestig3]

Some people in these thread could be perfect glamour magazine writers coz the stories some of you make up is just... wow

[Craaazyyy]

Not true, and this is exactly the limit of wow esport and world firsts. Take for example Lionel Messi (or Tom Brady, if you follow NFL). They are more important than millions of players around the world playing their game. Why? Because they create interest in the game, millions of people look at them, they GENERATE business. Method and Serenity? No one gives a damn shit about them. Thats the real truth. Except us on these forums and some thousands of people around the world. Millions of WOW players dont give a damn about what they do (and most dont even know who they actually are) and they play WOW for totally different reasons. Method/Serenity/whatever generate just a very tiny small business for the game and Blizzard. So no, they are not important than rest of us.

well they're more important than you or me, so they're more important than US

[fuzzylogic111]

Not true, and this is exactly the limit of wow esport and world firsts. Take for example Lionel Messi (or Tom Brady, if you follow NFL). They are more important than millions of players around the world playing their game. Why? Because they create interest in the game, millions of people look at them, they GENERATE business. Method and Serenity? No one gives a damn shit about them. Thats the real truth. Except us on these forums and some thousands of people around the world. Millions of WOW players dont give a damn about what they do (and most dont even know who they actually are) and they play WOW for totally different reasons. Method/Serenity/whatever generate just a very tiny small business for the game and Blizzard. So no, they are not important than rest of us.

They are mavericks who are ahead of their time. You don't have the vision to see their value.

[Vakna]

Honestly think Serenity being two bosses ahead of Method on day 1 is not gonna be that big of a deal, especially if Gul'dan takes more than a couple days to kill. The longer he lives the less important a 2 boss differential is earlier in the raid.

[arr0gance]

Honestly think Serenity being two bosses ahead of Method on day 1 is not gonna be that big of a deal, especially if Gul'dan takes more than a couple days to kill. The longer he lives the less important a 2 boss differential is earlier in the raid.

Well of course, Method is going back to do more Heroic splits just to make sure they steamroll past the competition that much sooner. I don't even know why these threads exist since it's obvious Method will just will in the end. It's like Worlds with League of Legends. Every year people say "the gap is closing" between Korean teams and the rest of the world and every year it's a Korean sweep. Method simply has the best World of Warcraft raiders. There isn't competition. It's a statement of fact.

[Deleted]

They are mavericks who are ahead of their time. You don't have the vision to see their value.

I've been playing videogames for 20 years but I admit I've always been very skeptical about the success of esports and, honestly, I doubt things will change. Videogames arent a "niche" like during the years of C64/Amiga/SuperNES/x486. Videogames today generate a huge business and are already played by hundred of millions of people... but truth is, except South Korea, people like playing them, but dont give a damn about who is the best in playing them. When some random famous sport guy can generate A LOT more (and by a lot i mean a huge fucking lot) streaming followers than the best guys in WOW... that pretty much sums it up.
Esports can surely improve some but not by much.
Take for example poker... even poker is a niche, yet it beats esports by HUGE numbers. And it got to these numbers pretty fast. Esports just arent meant for this kind of society.

[Vakna]

Well of course, Method is going back to do more Heroic splits just to make sure they steamroll past the competition that much sooner. I don't even know why these threads exist since it's obvious Method will just will in the end. It's like Worlds with League of Legends. Every year people say "the gap is closing" between Korean teams and the rest of the world and every year it's a Korean sweep. Method simply has the best World of Warcraft raiders. There isn't competition. It's a statement of fact.

Didn't people also say that before they changed 98% of their roster for this tier? How can you have the best players in the world, then lose most of them and absorb some other guild and still say you have the best players in the world?


Not really a big follower of either guild but the logic underlying this statement used as a "end of all discussion" item seems innately flawed.

[arr0gance]

Didn't people also say that before they changed 98% of their roster for this tier? How can you have the best players in the world, then lose most of them and absorb some other guild and still say you have the best players in the world?


Not really a big follower of either guild but the logic underlying this statement used as a "end of all discussion" item seems innately flawed.

It's the Method brand which draws the best players. It's a dynasty at this point. There is a certain prestige of having the <Method> tag under your character which encourages you to compete at a world class level.

[Deleted]

Didn't people also say that before they changed 98% of their roster for this tier? How can you have the best players in the world, then lose most of them and absorb some other guild and still say you have the best players in the world?


Not really a big follower of either guild but the logic underlying this statement used as a "end of all discussion" item seems innately flawed.

98%? In a roster of around 30 people, 98% would mean... basically everyone but Sco. They changed a lot but not as much. And beside, like everything based on team competition, its very important the kind of organization you got. Method probably has very good leaders and after that they just need to find exceptional players to fill the roster and to lead them to success.
A lot of times in sports you have had teams filled with the best players that failed because they lacked the right leadership... and honestly at the start of Legion even I thought that serenity had better players, but apparently they lacked the leadership and organization Method has. Now maybe Serenity did learn from their mistakes and will win the race... who knows.

[Deleted]

98%? In a roster of around 30 people, 98% would mean... basically everyone but Sco. They changed a lot but not as much. And beside, like everything based on team competition, its very important the kind of organization you got. Method probably has very good leaders and after that they just need to find exceptional players to fill the roster and to lead them to success.
A lot of times in sports you have had teams filled with the best players that failed because they lacked the right leadership... and honestly at the start of Legion even I thought that serenity had better players, but apparently they lacked the leadership and organization Method has. Now maybe Serenity did learn from their mistakes and will win the race... who knows.

Its all planned out. All members which have left method recently to join a another guild have done this to sabotage these guild and whistleblow all the information they gather

[vsb]

Why are you guys discussing tuning and how fast bosses are falling over as a negative on blizzard;s part?

Do you know how much time and effort these guilds racing for #1 put into their raid?

Blizzard cannot tune for these madmen doing 5+ split runs as well as THOUSANDS of mythic+ clears on their mains... of course bosses are going to fall over if you have a full set of heroic gear and fully decked artifact... the raid is tuned for the average mythic raider (3-4 day a week guild, one character requirement ect.) so they can clear it with enough time to rest before the next patch.

If anything the question should be how can they stop split runs, not they need to tune bosses tighter for a 0.001% of the game's community.

To discourage split runs, Blizzard should release all difficulties at once. I don't think that many guilds would spend much time on split runs then. And infinitely farmable artifact/legendaries/WF are just bad idea in the first place.

[arr0gance]

I don't think that many guilds would spend much time on split runs then.

The best guilds will still spend just as much time farming. The only difference is they might go in to kill the easy bosses first, then go back to farming split runs midway through the week. The only thing this would accomplish is delaying the kills of actually difficult endgame bosses by a day or two.

[Deleted]

To discourage split runs, Blizzard should release all difficulties at once. I don't think that many guilds would spend much time on split runs then. And infinitely farmable artifact/legendaries/WF are just bad idea in the first place.

Opening on the same day wouldnt change anything, they would still do split runs. It doesnt take THAT long for them to do 5 split runs, less than a day. And since no guilds would kill all bosses in just a day (and especially without the gear you can get from split runs), everyone would still do them.

But yeah, Legion is a lot more about farm than WOD. At least in WOD to get ring upgrade you just needed an archi kill... here you are forced to farm AP non stop.

[antelope591]

I've been playing videogames for 20 years but I admit I've always been very skeptical about the success of esports and, honestly, I doubt things will change. Videogames arent a "niche" like during the years of C64/Amiga/SuperNES/x486. Videogames today generate a huge business and are already played by hundred of millions of people... but truth is, except South Korea, people like playing them, but dont give a damn about who is the best in playing them. When some random famous sport guy can generate A LOT more (and by a lot i mean a huge fucking lot) streaming followers than the best guys in WOW... that pretty much sums it up.
Esports can surely improve some but not by much.
Take for example poker... even poker is a niche, yet it beats esports by HUGE numbers. And it got to these numbers pretty fast. Esports just arent meant for this kind of society.

You're posting this while a million dollar CS:GO tourney is going on comprised of players who make 6 figure salaries besides the prize money and teams sponsored by companies like Audi and Visa. They're not making real sport money but e-sports are certanly valid as a career these days. Although not so much for WoW

[Emerald Archer]

Well of course, Method is going back to do more Heroic splits just to make sure they steamroll past the competition that much sooner. I don't even know why these threads exist since it's obvious Method will just will in the end. It's like Worlds with League of Legends. Every year people say "the gap is closing" between Korean teams and the rest of the world and every year it's a Korean sweep. Method simply has the best World of Warcraft raiders. There isn't competition. It's a statement of fact.

That's actually false, Method don't have the best players, Serenity has the best players, but Serenity plays as individuals.

Method has the best leadership team, with all very very good players.

If you look at players individually, Serenity wins easy.

But the reason Method do so damn good, is because of their leadership being miles better than the next best guild.