California ranked 42nd nationally in education

[Wolfheart9]

Here is all I get out of that link. The US is doing terrible overall, at least at the K-12 level. That alone should be a rally cry to get more something across the board. But, let's fight over who is the best\worst of the mediocres

It's not fighting over the mediocres, it's 'liberals don't like muh Trump, lets insult liberals!', just search the word 'liberal' in this thread alone.

[Mad_Murdock]

It's not fighting over the mediocres, it's 'liberals don't like muh Trump, lets insult liberals!', just search the word 'liberal' in this thread alone.

Well, yes, there is that too.

[HumbleDuck]

You are a real product of the California school system.

Such a great argument.

[Molis]

I've said it in other posts, I'll say it again : California is horrible. I hate living here. The job opportunities suck. The state is ugly. The culture (food, music, entertainment in general) is horrible, non-existent even. If you have plans to come here, please, do yourself a favor and change them. Stay away. Its horrible here.

Please leave then.

Take everything this guy said and for me it is the opposite.

I was born here and love this state.
Where else can you go from the best beaches to skiing in a four hour drive?
Some of the best wine in the world to a beautiful National park in four hours?

[zenkai]

Of course I'm being serious. Coming from California to college in Nebraska I was way more prepared for college than almost everyone I met.

At least the highschool I went to seemed better than almost any high school in Nebraska. I met kids from just about every major high school in the state at the premier university, and I didn't go to some high end California high school.

Oh, since you wrote High School as one word I thought you where making a joke. (Not picking on your grammar!)

[Gamdwelf]

Oh, since you wrote High School as one word I thought you where making a joke. (Not picking on your grammar!)

I'm on a phone so it doesn't always say what I mean.

[Beazy]

I've said it in other posts, I'll say it again : California is horrible. I hate living here. The job opportunities suck. The state is ugly. The culture (food, music, entertainment in general) is horrible, non-existent even. If you have plans to come here, please, do yourself a favor and change them. Stay away. Its horrible here.

CA has some epic Mexican food, you absolutely must admit that.

I know you must be trolling when you say Entertainment is horrible. CA has been on my top 5 vacation spots list for like 20 years. CA is fun as hell son. You must be a hermit or something.

[urasim]

CA has some epic Mexican food, you absolutely must admit that.

I know you must be trolling when you say Entertainment is horrible. CA has been on my top 5 vacation spots list for like 20 years. CA is fun as hell son. You must be a hermit or something.

Yeah, because someone has that opinion can't possibly be right when it contradicts with yours! They're so wrong they've got to be a troll. /s

[Katchii]

Keep in mind that many of these kinds of stats are based on simple grade metrics. Not all states have the testing bar set at the same level, so it's not all that representative of how educated the students are, just how well they do on the test. If it's not the exact same test, or at least contain the exact same testing material, it's a meaningless comparison.

California has some of the more difficult standards to meet compared to many other states.

[Sam the Wiser]

Californians and those that defend it often forget that a lot of their population lives in poor conditions with lower education. Its one of those states (like Massachusetts) where many of the lesser off areas are ignored in favor of the better funded areas. But the highly liberal population of western California just sort of write them off as not mattering. Same happens in Massachusetts where Western Mass is ignored in favor of Eastern Mass. Occasionally you'll have movements in MA to split the state in two since Western Mass is tired of Boston and the surrounding areas' shit.

Western MA way as well be another state. We'd only stand to gain.

OT: Feels good to be number one.

[callipygoustp]

Please leave then.

Take everything this guy said and for me it is the opposite.

I was born here and love this state.
Where else can you go from the best beaches to skiing in a four hour drive?
Some of the best wine in the world to a beautiful National park in four hours?

See bottom comment.

CA has some epic Mexican food, you absolutely must admit that.

I know you must be trolling when you say Entertainment is horrible. CA has been on my top 5 vacation spots list for like 20 years. CA is fun as hell son. You must be a hermit or something.

I can see how the post could come across as trolling. That was not my intention; really there are much more effective ways of trolling if that was my desire. My intention was to be over the top in mocking the idea that California is NOT one of the best places on the entire fucking planet.

[God Save The King]

You linked something that only deals with a tiny amount of high schools. Sure, if we're talking about all the states with gold medal high schools you'd have a point. The topic is general education. Look at the OP's link. It's all education and effectiveness of the schools in educating people. You're the one being dishonest and cherry picking.

http://www.edweek.org/media/2016/12/...ounts-2017.pdf

He's not even talking about overall grades of students, but the overall effectiveness of the schools in each state. There's obviously issues that need to be addressed, and deflecting these issues, like you just did, only causes more issues.

EDIT:

Chance for success.

School finance.
K-12 Achievement.

Cherry picking is a powerful drug, case in point ^

Usual retort of "nu-uh you're cherrypicking!!!!!11!! here's more links from the exact same cherry-picked site"

Also, since it clearly flew right over your head, I picked a very "cherry-picked" source intentionally. It was meant to show how easy it is to pick information to fit a narrative. It wasn't an actual defense of the state.

No matter how obviously sarcastic/ironic I make something, someone will always take it seriously.

(P.S. Since I'm not an idiot, I actually went through the OP's site before making a retort, I saw all of those links already, but nice try!)

[Rasulis]

See bottom comment.


I can see how the post could come across as trolling. That was not my attention; really there are much more effective ways of trolling if that was my desire. My intention was to be over the top in mocking the idea that California is NOT one of the best places on the entire fucking planet.

I knew you were being sarcastic. How could anybody who live in SF complain about food. That is the biggest thing I miss about living in SF. Access to cheap and delicious foods at all time of the day.

[callipygoustp]

I knew you were being sarcastic. How could anybody who live in SF complain about food. That is the biggest thing I miss about living in SF. Access to cheap and delicious foods at all time of the day.

Bolded for "truth"!

[HumbleDuck]

The number of highly educated people in the state has little to do with their school system overall. Thus, my comment.

The title says "California ranked 42nd nationally in education", OP claims this to be a valid statement solely based on average highschool grades. That is cherry picking, hence my comment.

[HumbleDuck]

Because when discussing education, as most educated people are aware, you're discussing the system that provides education and not the level of education present in the population.

I was under the impression that the educated people are the product of the said education system. Apparently they grow out of the ground. My bad.

[Suporex]

I was under the impression that the educated people are the product of the said education system. Apparently they grow out of the ground. My bad.

Not everyone who lives in California is from California. Just because someone lives in California and has a degree or went to college there doesn't mean they went through K-12 there.

[HumbleDuck]

Not everyone who lives in California is from California. Just because someone lives in California and has a degree or went to college there doesn't mean they went through K-12 there.

We can take that into consideration amongst many other factors ( for all states), but to say that highschool grades are the sole measure of evaluating the education system is outright crazy.
Im not saying education system there is perfect, im simply stating that the OP is cherry picking to make the results fit their narrative.

[Kaleredar]

I think we need to come up with better plans before we throw money at it. More money does not equal better spending, it usually ends up being wasted, it never goes to the people who needs it. Most of the money in my wife's school district goes to bullshit administration jobs, then they try to cut teachers pay saying they make too much.

Coming up with plans involves research and investment into developing ways to help students do better.

Though I feel that California is going to have to take this initiative on its own if Trump's chosen butt-kisser gets appointed to secretary of education.

I can't tell if you're serious or joking.

Not all schools are equal, unfortunately.

[Spectral]

Education rankings should mostly be ignored. The methods for ranking are flawed in the first place, but even if you take them at face value, they most just tell you what the demographic characteristics of the local population are. There's some pretty close to zero exceptions to that rule.