RIP Elite Sets

[Deleted]

Eh yeah. If you want to join a serious PvP guild (they do exist), or even join a RBG pug, or find a serious Arena mate you need achievement that shows that you got the shit. Not some fancy transmog set. Achieves matters, it is pretty much the only thing we can measure skill level with. Smh

My 2.7k ach from wrath dont say anything really since 2.7k is nothing like it was back then. Thats my point. Someone getting 2k now and not getting 2k in cata is their fault and they prob couldnt even get it back then hence why they dont got elite gear to show for it and are crying on forums.

[Bighud44]

Let's say there's a night elf male DK called "deethkinght". For years he has played arena, but he never got higher than 1700
because he's just not good at games and also lacking in intellect.

Legion hits, he plays WWDK at the start of season and gets 2.3. He never improved as a player, he just played an insanely retarded comp in a retarded expansion.

Now deethkinght has every elite set in the game despite going back to being stuck at 1700 every season after.

Remember your elite set that was pretty damn hard to get in season 11? 5 years ago that barely anyone got? Yep, this guy has it.

Deethkinght in his previously highly prestigious transmog then proceeds to run around in BGs saying stuff like "kill heler noobis" and "omg why no heal".

Your rewards are now worthless.

You post proves to most of the WOW players why elitist ruin the fun in the game, "because he's just not good at games and also lacking in intellect" So according to you, if someone isn't as elite as you are, or cant reach past 1700 they lack "intellect"? Really? SO your definition of intellect is someone good a WOW PVP? There are hundreds of thousands of players who raid, and don't PVP. So these people have less of an intellect than you? Get real......

PVP is one aspect of the game. If running around showing off your computer PEN13 is what gets you off, more power to you. Just dont degrade other's intellect to satisfy you need to noticed.

[Krusza]

right. so 99.99% of the things you get in this game for doing things successfully are not rewards. yet somehow it has managed to survive for a decade without giving most players a reward ever. amazing.

this shit is so weird coming from someone who sounds like he plays just for the reward, not because he enjoys the journey.

So the only thing you've ever gotten in this game is gear?

[Ixxie]

the change will come soon, Plebs just have to whine abit more

[Deleted]

So the only thing you've ever gotten in this game is gear?

no ofcourse not. i got lots of currency, reputation, experience, gold and what not. But all of those things are just means to further progression and by your logic are thus not rewards. The real kicker is that by your logic, the first mount you get is not a reward because it increases your progress, but the second mount you get is a reward because its a cosmetic change.

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My 2.7k ach from wrath dont say anything really since 2.7k is nothing like it was back then. Thats my point. Someone getting 2k now and not getting 2k in cata is their fault and they prob couldnt even get it back then hence why they dont got elite gear to show for it and are crying on forums.

that is indeed the point. the game is vastly different from 5 years ago. One can debate whether it's better/worse/harder/easier now or when it changed, but at the end of the day it's simply very different. So different that, as you say, things you did 5 years ago have no real bearing on what you do today.

You say the prestige from 5 years ago doesn't say anything today. so, you must care about the gear for some other reason?

[Lifewish]

I miss elite sets

[Protean]

Without prestigious rewards there's pretty much no point in playing something that's supposed to be competitive.

Worthless rewards for a lot of effort = not worth the effort.

The prestige should come from current season content. Not the past.

I only see this being a problem for "i used to be good but nah brah now I only play casually" people (read: used to play retardedly-easy comps, got boosted, etc)

[Krusza]

The prestige should come from current season content. Not the past.

I only see this being a problem for "i used to be good but nah brah now I only play casually" people (read: used to play retardedly-easy comps, got boosted, etc)

This argument is always used by people that don't even play.

Getting 2k now is not the same as getting 2.2 10 seasons ago, it's absurdly easy now. That's why I don't want current players getting old sets.

[Deleted]

no ofcourse not. i got lots of currency, reputation, experience, gold and what not. But all of those things are just means to further progression and by your logic are thus not rewards. The real kicker is that by your logic, the first mount you get is not a reward because it increases your progress, but the second mount you get is a reward because its a cosmetic change.

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that is indeed the point. the game is vastly different from 5 years ago. One can debate whether it's better/worse/harder/easier now or when it changed, but at the end of the day it's simply very different. So different that, as you say, things you did 5 years ago have no real bearing on what you do today.

You say the prestige from 5 years ago doesn't say anything today. so, you must care about the gear for some other reason?

Im saying that getting 2k in legion isnt even close to how it was in cata for example so why would you get the gear from cata if you got 2k in legion? Not saying 2k in cata was harder or easier but a player that didnt even play pvp or even at all in cata shouldnt not get that elite gear if they started in legion and started playing dh pressing 2 buttons and whops im 2k sweet. (And yes I know they talked about elite being 2.2k if reintroduced but atm its 2k so lets stick with that for this argument.)

[Noxina]

Im saying that getting 2k in legion isnt even close to how it was in cata for example so why would you get the gear from cata if you got 2k in legion? Not saying 2k in cata was harder or easier but a player that didnt even play pvp or even at all in cata shouldnt not get that elite gear if they started in legion and started playing dh pressing 2 buttons and whops im 2k sweet. (And yes I know they talked about elite being 2.2k if reintroduced but atm its 2k so lets stick with that for this argument.)

Clearing mythic now isn't the same as in Cata, someone who didn't play in Cata shouldn't have access to all the Mythic gear from then. Thats how you sound.

[Deleted]

Clearing mythic now isn't the same as in Cata, someone who didn't play in Cata shouldn't have access to all the Mythic gear from then. Thats how you sound.

And thats what ive been saying? Mythic gear shouldnt be available if its not current tier. But just because it is doesnt mean Elite should be as well. Rather take away mythic and make it " prestige " like elite rather than just giving " free " elite to everyone. Please read my previous posts next time. Thanks.

[Vurdah]

Let's say there's a night elf male DK called "deethkinght". For years he has played arena, but he never got higher than 1700 because he's just not good at games and also lacking in intellect.

Legion hits, he plays WWDK at the start of season and gets 2.3. He never improved as a player, he just played an insanely retarded comp in a retarded expansion.

Now deethkinght has every elite set in the game despite going back to being stuck at 1700 every season after.

Remember your elite set that was pretty damn hard to get in season 11? 5 years ago that barely anyone got? Yep, this guy has it.

Deethkinght in his previously highly prestigious transmog then proceeds to run around in BGs saying stuff like "kill heler noobis" and "omg why no heal".

Your rewards are now worthless.

Your opinion is nothing more than ego. Nobody cares about your ego or your achievements in a 12 year old video game. Go outside and achieve something, and then lord that over people.

[Woop Woop]

This argument is always used by people that don't even play.

Getting 2k now is not the same as getting 2.2 10 seasons ago, it's absurdly easy now. That's why I don't want current players getting old sets.

Getting 2.2k in cata was absurdly easy as well, due to rating inflation. What are you talking about?
Every season people complain "last/insert x season was harder/better balanced".

[Deleted]

Im saying that getting 2k in legion isnt even close to how it was in cata for example so why would you get the gear from cata if you got 2k in legion? Not saying 2k in cata was harder or easier but a player that didnt even play pvp or even at all in cata shouldnt not get that elite gear if they started in legion and started playing dh pressing 2 buttons and whops im 2k sweet. (And yes I know they talked about elite being 2.2k if reintroduced but atm its 2k so lets stick with that for this argument.)

why should you get the sets? two reasons:

1) because somewhere around wotlk this game changed design direction where exclusive rewards became fewer and fewer. by now the design philosophy is "if you are good/dedicated, you get rewarded faster, if you are bad/casual you get rewards later". on top of that many rewards that were unobtainable have become obtainable again through BMAH, events, or just straight up added back to the game. It was just a matter of time before they shifted this line of thinking towards the rather large amount of art assets tied up in currently unavailable pvp sets, which a lot of people also asked about. A lot of you guys big argument is "to prevent ruining the game, keep exclusive rewards", and i get that, but lets face reality, the game was ruined in that particular regard like 8-10 years ago.

2) earlier in this threat the OP gave some numbers in that he estimates the amount of people who got legion season 1 elite gear at around 14000 based on data from some pvp websites. If we assume that the top 5% of pvpers get this set (just like the top 5% of raiders are mythic raiders), that means that the entire wow rated pvp community is around 300000 people. Whereas if you look at wowprogress, there are about 51000 raiding guilds that raid in any capacity, if you assume that they have 20 members on average, that puts you at 1m people that raid organized. in short, participation in pvp is very low, and history has proven that giving people something to collect/grind gets them to do stuff. (which is also why i think the sets should be added back without a rating requirement, or a much lower one, since most casual collectors won't ever reach any serious rating, you just want them to pvp at low skill brackets for marks of honor)

[Ealyssa]

Getting 2k now is not the same as getting 2.2 10 seasons ago, it's absurdly easy now. That's why I don't want current players getting old sets.

WTF are you even talking about ???

2K now is way higher skill than 2k2 in cata, period. That's an absolute fact. You clearly don't PVP currently or at trash tier level at best.

[shrunken]

They decided not to add them back to the game. What is the point of this continued crying from sub-2k players?

[Deleted]

They decided not to add them back to the game. What is the point of this continued crying from sub-2k players?

blizz changes their minds all the time if people cry hard enough. though admittedly i don't think they will bring up elite sets again for another season at least or untill participation is so low even the hardcore pvpers start crying.

[shrunken]

blizz changes their minds all the time if people cry hard enough. though admittedly i don't think they will bring up elite sets again for another season at least or untill participation is so low even the hardcore pvpers start crying.

Those people already spoke their mind. They don't want them in the game. I'm sorry so many people in this thread are struggling with a relatively easy benchmark, past and present.

[Deleted]

Those people already spoke their mind. They don't want them in the game. I'm sorry so many people in this thread are struggling with a relatively easy benchmark, past and present.

yeah ofcourse they don't want them back, now and in the future, perfectly understandable from their viewpoint. but if the current trend of decreasing participation keeps going, in a year or two queue times will start to go up. and once that happens they will start crying to blizz about it. and then they may have to swallow a bitter pill and choose between long queue times or give something up in exchange for more participation.

[Tacotuesday]

WTF are you even talking about ???

2K now is way higher skill than 2k2 in cata, period. That's an absolute fact. You clearly don't PVP currently or at trash tier level at best.

That's called an opinion.