Val'kyr and the Lich King

[TickTickTick]

Maybe what he meant was that atthe begining LK just took already existing Val'kyrs, and then later on kept on creating more. Not that he never created any.

[Trollokdamus]

Maybe what he meant was that atthe begining LK just took already existing Val'kyrs, and then later on kept on creating more. Not that he never created any.

I believe his point was that all the Odyn Val'kyr were created while all the LK ones were subjugated and converted. That's how he tried to explain the differences between them in order to answer the question he was asked.

It could be that the Lich King subjugated a Val'kyr in the Shadowlands (or even one of the Spirit Healers) which then served him as his prime Val'kyr and did all the raising. Svala can be handwaved due to rule of cool (or the prime Val'kyr is in the background and not showing). Maybe Svalna.

I don't think any Val'kyr beside Eyir have that kind of power. Else Sylvanas wouldn't have to worry about her own Val'kyr going extinct and her entire Stormheim arc would have been pointless.

[Deleted]

maybe because there is thousands of pages of lore in the game
its hard to remember it all sometimes...

All the more reason to be careful with what's tweeted.

[Rafoel]

I think the problem lies at what exactly is need to create a Val'kyr. Could any titan keeper create his own Val'kyr? Could mortal mage? Could Kil'jaeden?

Val'kyr certainly have unique connection to the Shadowlands, the realm of dead. Odyn's Val'kyr can pull spirits of great warriors from Shadowlands and transport them to Valhalla. Rogue Val'kyr help unfortunate adventurers and ressurect them. Scourge Val'kyr have similar abilities.

Meanwhile, Lich King's connection to the realm of dead is probably the strongest of all characters in lore. Given the proximity of Ulduar, the place of Titan Keepers, it is natural that the Lich King learnt about the existence of Val'kyr and used his absolute power over undead (Val'kyr are considered as undead, they are basically empowered ghosts...) to bind them to his will. After studying their nature he appearently learnt to create them on his own. The whole process, taking female vrykul spirit, ripping it out of her body, and then granting it these special abilities, not much unlike Lich King's own... it is logical it would be within the Lich King's power to accomplish that.

[Syegfryed]

the thing is, the guy just asked if the source of power from the valkyr are different ( odyn and LK valkyr, if one use light and other void basically) ) but instead of respond, he said this wrong nonsense, like, lul

[Qualia]

the thing is, the guy just asked if the source of power from the valkyr are different ( odyn and LK valkyr, if one use light and other void basically) ) but instead of respond, he said this wrong nonsense, like, lul

To be fair, in that sense, the answer wasn't really nonsense (the content of the answer is still pretty weird, however). The other guy asked him if Odyn's Valkyrs are being made of Light while LK's Valkyrs are beings of Shadow. He wasn't asking Afrasiabi about their source of power, but what they were made of instead. Afrasiabi's answer implied that all of them were made by Odyn - in other words, are beings of Light - just that LK's Valkyrs were subjugated / converted.

[Deleted]

Lich King having Val'kyr has been a giant plot hole ever since Chronicles and Legion connected them with Odyn and Helya.
It makes very little sense for the Lich King not to have known about Helya, Helheim and Odyn what with him having Val'kyr and the Kvaldir having a presence in Northrend, not to mention him subjugating most Vrykul who should have basic knowledge of those matters. Thing is, it also makes very little sense for Helya not having featured in WotLK, as she would've been pretty pissed at the Lich King taking over her business.

[DeicideUH]

Lich King having Val'kyr has been a giant plot hole ever since Chronicles and Legion connected them with Odyn and Helya.
It makes very little sense for the Lich King not to have known about Helya, Helheim and Odyn what with him having Val'kyr and the Kvaldir having a presence in Northrend, not to mention him subjugating most Vrykul who should have basic knowledge of those matters. Thing is, it also makes very little sense for Helya not having featured in WotLK, as she would've been pretty pissed at the Lich King taking over her business.

I don't see it as a "giant" plot hole.

My guess:

Lich King found about the Val'kyr by conquering Vrykul clans in Northrend. He started by enslaving existing Val'kyr, then began to replicate the rites to create his own. Those lesser Val'kyr we saw aplenty in Northrend are probably the Lich King's version, and greater Val'kyr were mostly enslaved ones (with a few, like Svala, being created by him).

Neither Helya nor Odyn could do much against the power of the Scourge. Both being imprisoned in their realms, all they could do was send minions, which couldn't stand a chance against the Lich King's armies.

[Deleted]

I don't see it as a "giant" plot hole.

My guess:

Lich King found about the Val'kyr by conquering Vrykul clans in Northrend. He started by enslaving existing Val'kyr, then began to replicate the rites to create his own. Those lesser Val'kyr we saw aplenty in Northrend are probably the Lich King's version, and greater Val'kyr were mostly enslaved ones (with a few, like Svala, being created by him).

Neither Helya nor Odyn could do much against the power of the Scourge. Both being imprisoned in their realms, all they could do was send minions, which couldn't stand a chance against the Lich King's armies.

When you need to make up your own additional headcanon, it's a plothole. Even if the headcanon makes sense and doesn't require twisted logic.
Bottom line, they wanted to bring back Val'kyr but neglected to explain why the LK had them in the process.

[Benomatic]

afrasiabi is as bad as ridley scott. Red wine gibberish.

[Deleted]

Indeed, the Lich King is probably the only person who can create more vrykul and val'kyr. That's why Sylvanas will try to steal the crown of the damned for herself sooner or later. If she doesn't, she'll die. It's that simple.

The forsaken have surprisingly small presence on the Broken Isles. Wouldn't be surprised if that's intentional and they're preparing an attack to Icecrown Citadel as we speak.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Indeed, the Lich King is probably the only person who can create more vrykul and val'kyr. That's why Sylvanas will try to steal the crown of the damned for herself sooner or later. If she doesn't, she'll die. It's that simple.

The forsaken have surprisingly small presence on the Broken Isles. Wouldn't be surprised if that's intentional and they're preparing an attack to Icecrown Citadel as we speak.

atleast try to learn the lore. The forsaken all moved to the broken shore, even their blockade of gilnaes,