Who is your favorite Warchief and why?

[Syegfryed]

Ner'zhul wasnt warchief.

he was warchief in some time, when the alliance forces pass the dark portal, he was warchief of the clans in draenor

[Rend Blackhand]

Ner'zhul wasnt warchief.

Ner'Zhul took over the Horde on Draenor during the time of the Alliance Expedition to Draenor.

[rowaasr13]

Thrall however did very little if anything until it was already too late to interject, dont say he did much to help, it was mostly VJ responsible for the civil war.

Reading your reply further it seems you didn't catch what I'm referring to or did not know this piece of lore: after bombing of Theramore, Jaina retrieved Iris and was about destroy Orgrimmar. "Useless" "non-conquering" "Peace-Chief" stopped her from wiping out much much more Orcs than died in SoO.

Ill grant that he destroyed Durnholde, freed Orc Kind and saved the Darkspears and Tauren, yes, he created the New Horde, but once he had done just that, he became too content.

Uh, let's look at it that way:
Before Thrall: No Horde at all, no territory, no capital. After Thrall: New Horde, Orgrimmar, Central Kalimdor.
Before Garrosh: see above, after Garrosh: tons of Orcs died, and some other Horde population, Orgrimmar razed, Alliance maintains bases close to Orgrimmar and everything Garrosh did in Ashenvale is reversed. Alliance threatens and CAN FOLLOW UP on promise "to end the Horde" if they do that shit again.

Can you please tell me AGAIN, who given Horde most stuff among those two?

[Deleted]

Before Thrall: No Horde at all, no territory, no capital. After Thrall: New Horde, Orgrimmar, Central Kalimdor.
Before Garrosh: see above, after Garrosh: tons of Orcs died, and some other Horde population, Orgrimmar razed, Alliance maintains bases close to Orgrimmar and everything Garrosh did in Ashenvale is reversed. Alliance threatens and CAN FOLLOW UP on promise "to end the Horde" if they do that shit again.

I think you forget that Garrosh did not want the warchief title but Thrall kinda forced it on him.
So if you blame the actions of Garrosh you might just aswell blaim Thrall for not being there for him to support him.

Thrall should had convinces Vol'Jin and Cairne to support him from the start instead he left and Taurens and Trolls started to rebel against the warchief for? being the general that was leading the Horde to victory against the Scourge.

And btw Garrosh left all Horde settlements now stronger with steel so that the Horde have more secure cities.
Cause of him the Dragonmaw and Blackrock clans jioned the Horde. (not sure if they still are now)
He made sure that Kalimdor is now more secure without Theramore (and yes it was a big threat just see the barrens invasion)

Yes he lost the battle and the Horde (if it is still the Horde - alot see it now as the red Alliance) is now in a bad shape but it is also the fault of the other Horde leaders to not try to follow the warchief. And next to that what did Vol'jin do as warchief after SoO? or Sylvanas? for the Horde that is.
They put us into wars when we have not even the power to defend our main cities against the Alliance is that a good warchief? to make more troops die on the battlefield and keep everything in ruins? atleast Garrosh had an idea behind his war, Sylvanas plan atm got nothing that is leading to a better situation for the Horde.

[Zulkhan]

So if you blame the actions of Garrosh you might just aswell blaim Thrall for not being there for him to support him.

I would rather blame Thrall for putting in charge someone who needed "support" to begin with. For which retarded reason you give absolute, dictatorial power over a whole faction to some dude who was still learning and had no idea how to run the show? Why everyone has to bear the inevitable consequences of such a poor and badly thought choice?

Thrall should had convinces Vol'Jin and Cairne to support him from the start instead he left and Taurens and Trolls started to rebel against the warchief for? being the general that was leading the Horde to victory against the Scourge.

More like the general who was baby-sitted by an actual veteran to make sure he didn't screw up the whole campaign. Garrosh had some merits in regards of the Northrend campaign but the glorification he earned was miles above what he actually deserved. In fact that's one of the reasons behind his relentless war campaigns, he wanted to prove himself by achieving stuff entirely on his own, so that he could properly feed his ego in a way the abundant "shared" merits of the Northrend campaign didn't manage to do. He literally says that in the Tides of War novel.

And btw Garrosh left all Horde settlements now stronger with steel so that the Horde have more secure cities.

The steel has barely any usefulness since the main foundation of his buildings remains stone, the actual reliable material when you have to build anything. For the most part the steel was there just as an ornament, to give the buildings tons of mean-looking spikes and that sweet warlike aesthetic Garrosh apparently adored.

For such reason he also rebuilt Orgrimmar in what it is today. He made it fireproof anyway. At least there's that.

Cause of him the Dragonmaw and Blackrock clans jioned the Horde. (not sure if they still are now)

Which mostly happened because he needed fervent boot-lickers at his side, proved from how all these people joined his "True Horde" in the end. Morever, while it seems he effectively handled the Blackrock affair and somehow convinced them to abandon the Dark Horde in favor of his own Horde, Garrosh literally did nothing in order to get the Dragonmaw into the fold, he disappeared the whole time and simply shown up after everyone else already handled both the diplomatic stuff and the overthrowing of Mor'ghor.

He made sure that Kalimdor is now more secure without Theramore (and yes it was a big threat just see the barrens invasion)

If "security" would have been his actual concern than he should have simply marched against Theramore with his assembled army and swiftly conquered the place. That would have been a pure and legitimate success. Instead, since Garrosh is amazingly ambitious, he treated Theramore as part of a "bigger plan" and to make it work he stole the freaking Focusing Iris from the Blue Dragons, not only risking to enrage a whole Dragonflight against his faction but actually leaving such artifact in the hands of the enemy, an horrendous mistake that almost guaranteed the complete annihilation of Orgrimmar and the extermination of most of the orcish race, as well of tons of Horde members. Only Thrall and Kalecgos are to thank if that didn't happen and Garrosh undeservedly dodged the proof that he was full of shit.

Yes he lost the battle and the Horde (if it is still the Horde - alot see it now as the red Alliance) is now in a bad shape but it is also the fault of the other Horde leaders to not try to follow the warchief.

Oh they tried. Everyone did, for way too much time. People repeatedly got along with his ideas just to inevitably suffer the consequences in way or another, constantly enduring losses while gaining nothing in return except pretentious speeches and empty promises. There's eventually a point where enough is enough.

And next to that what did Vol'jin do as warchief after SoO? or Sylvanas? for the Horde that is.
They put us into wars when we have not even the power to defend our main cities against the Alliance is that a good warchief? to make more troops die on the battlefield and keep everything in ruins?

I mean, sending people to die for nothing while leaving ruin and destruction behind is precisely what Garrosh did most of the time. So I don't even know to what you're refering to since, in their brief and for now hardly memorable reigns, none of them did anything of the sort. Even a crazy bitch like Sylvanas shown more logical thinking in such short time than Garrosh did in his whole reign.

[Deleted]

he was warchief in some time, when the alliance forces pass the dark portal, he was warchief of the clans in draenor

Ner'Zhul took over the Horde on Draenor during the time of the Alliance Expedition to Draenor.

Yes he was leading clans for some time. But never get title of Warchief.

Its like if you say Bolvar was king of stormwind when he led humans.

True Horde warchief of that time was Orgrim Doomhammer and he was on Azeroth.

[Volitar]

I like the way they did nothing with Vol'jin and then immediately killed him off.

[Rend Blackhand]

Yes he was leading clans for some time. But never get title of Warchief.

Its like if you say Bolvar was king of stormwind when he led humans.

True Horde warchief of that time was Orgrim Doomhammer and he was on Azeroth.

This wa after Doomhammer died, he was the warchief

[Deleted]

This wa after Doomhammer died, he was the warchief

Thrall was warchief after Doomhammer

1st Warchief - Blackhand (killed by Orgrim)
2nd Warchief - Orgrim Doomhammer (Get title after he killed last Warchief)
3rd Warchief - Thrall (Given title by Orgrim)

[Caerule]

Ner'zhul was indeed Warchief on Draenor after the Dark Portal was destroyed, so he does count as a Warchief. It's right on the first page of his character biography.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Ner%27zhul

But you could argue that doesn't count, as he was never Warchief to the orcs on Azeroth. He was the closest thing there was to a leader of the Orcs before Gul'dan overthrew him, during the formation of the Horde. But back then he never got the title of Warchief.

[Deleted]

Ner'zhul was indeed Warchief on Draenor after the Dark Portal was destroyed, so he does count as a Warchief. It's right on the first page of his character biography.
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Ner%27zhul

But you could argue that doesn't count, as he was never Warchief to the orcs on Azeroth. He was the closest thing there was to a leader of the Orcs before Gul'dan overthrew him, during the formation of the Horde. But back then he never got the title of Warchief.

He never get official warchief title (of our horde).
If he is on pool then also Kargath Bladefist should be there as warchief of Fel horde.

But as we speak about our horde then those 2 should not be on pool.

[Zulkhan]

He never get official warchief title (of our horde).
If he is on pool then also Kargath Bladefist should be there as warchief of Fel horde.

The Horde of Draenor was a bit more related to what "our" Horde was at the time (a bunch of imprisoned orcs on Azeroth and the Warsong clan avoiding capture) compared to the Fel Horde that grew utterly disconnected and actually antagonistic towards Thrall's Horde.

[Deleted]

The Horde of Draenor was a bit more related to what "our" Horde was at the time (a bunch of imprisoned orcs on Azeroth and the Warsong clan avoiding capture) compared to the Fel Horde that grew utterly disconnected and actually antagonistic towards Thrall's Horde.

Yes and Warchief of that horde was Orgrim Doomhammer. Thrall after him and Blackhand before him. He was warchief even to orcs who were still on Dreanor even if they we cut from eachother. No mather what Nerzhul was doing there.

[thesmall001]

Vol'jin because he recognised when the honor and pride of the Horde was under threat from ego and cowardice. He stood up for the full coalition and the freedom of all the members of the Horde that was promised when each joined. He sensibly engaged into mutually beneficial alliance but without the deferred judgement Thrall had for those that had -on the whole- persecuted the races of the Horde (often without great cause beyond racism or vengeance) and was generally less soft that Thrall whilst still holding and encouraging the same values.

When the rest of the races were quelled or seduced by Garrosh's populist but authoritarian approaches, Vol'jin was the only one who had the guts to stand up and make his voice heard. Even Sylvanas allowed herself to appease Garrosh. Vol'jin called Garrosh's bluff and walked his people from the shelter of the walls of Orgrimmar because he knew the hearts and minds of his people.

He was likely the wiseest Warchief we've had and high on the list of bravest. Plus his book made him into a total bad-ass without making him seem OP. Damn that book was great. I maintain that nobody can read that book and not come out with a hard-on for Vol'jin. He'll be back. I hope he'll be back. Politics was never his intention or end-game.

[Shaqthefat]

Yes he was leading clans for some time. But never get title of Warchief.

Its like if you say Bolvar was king of stormwind when he led humans.

True Horde warchief of that time was Orgrim Doomhammer and he was on Azeroth.

He was warchief of the 'Horde of Draenor"

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Horde_of_Draenor

[Deleted]

He was warchief of the 'Horde of Draenor"

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Horde_of_Draenor

And this topic is about warchief of "our" Horde. He was not warchief of "our" Horde.

[Morgaith]

The dead ones, fuck the horde.

[Rend Blackhand]

Thrall was warchief after Doomhammer

1st Warchief - Blackhand (killed by Orgrim)
2nd Warchief - Orgrim Doomhammer (Get title after he killed last Warchief)
3rd Warchief - Thrall (Given title by Orgrim)

You're right. That was my screw up.

What I meant was after Doomhammer was beaten and the clans which were not put into internment camps fled back to Draenor. Ner'Zhul rallied the clans and invaded Azeroth again for magical artefacts in order to open portals. Orcs like Kargath Bladefist, Grom Hellscream and Kilrogg Deadeye followed him along with their clans and many more. It's more than enough to qualify as a real warchief.

[Shaqthefat]

And this topic is about warchief of "our" Horde. He was not warchief of "our" Horde.

The title is "Who is your favorite Warchief and why?"

It doesn't say which horde it is talking about lol

[Deleted]

I like the way they did nothing with Vol'jin and then immediately killed him off.

The real funny part is that ppl vote on him for doing nothing :P
He is higher then Blackhand the guy that formed the Horde, its crazy this poll.