Terrorism and Immigration - Risk Analysis

[Kalis]

Christians kill far more Americans than Muslims do.

What, doesn't count because reasons?

The reasons being they are already in the US and not being imported, is a very valid argument.

You shouldn't be looking to import people so as to increase their representation on homicide statistics.

[bergmann620]

Plus the Old Testament is primarily defensive in its martial scope, Judaism has never really liked non-Jews and tried to be apart from them where possible, whereas Islam is expansionist.

They are very different religions in their intent.

"Hereby you shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Jebusites."

Their intent is to exert social control over people, largely for the wealth and ego of their founders and chosen people.

[Zan15]

you don't know what that fin is attached to. so until you know for sure what that fin is attached to do you jump into the water?

you also have no idea what is attached to people from non muslim countries anymore then you do from them, but i don't see anyone rushing to prevent say, people from Ireland to enter the country. they have a long history of terrorist attacks.


many people all over the world have a beef with the US, how much fear are we going to live in that one day one of them might kill you.

do you have the same level of fear getting in your car everyday where your chance of death is 1 in 606?

do you avoid stairs? 1800-1
Firerams? 358-1
Planes? 9800-1
dogs? 120,000-1
lighting 175,000-1

you probably should have more to fear being accidentally shot while being bitten by a dog who just got struck by lighting.

[Vyxn]

hahahahahahahahaha

cant purchase a gun with a criminal record now can you
so let me ask who do we call in Syria to find out if a refugee has a criminal record?

[TZucchini]

FBI Director Admits US Can’t Vet All Syrian Refugees For Terror Ties

FBI director James Comey said during a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing on Wednesday that the federal government does not have the ability to conduct thorough background checks on all of the 10,000 Syrian refugees that the Obama administration says will be*allowed to come to the U.S.
“We can only query against that which we have collected,” Comey said in response to a line of questioning from Mississippi Rep.*Bennie*Thompson.
“And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/21/fb...#ixzz4XTN7XJiJ

And yet, our vetting process seems to be sufficient enough.

"The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is 1 in 3.6 billion."

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cant purchase a gun with a criminal record now can you
so let me ask who do we call in Syria to find out if a refugee has a criminal record?

The private sale of firearms requires no background checks.

[Kalis]

"Hereby you shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Jebusites."

Their intent is to exert social control over people, largely for the wealth and ego of their founders and chosen people.

Judaism is not expansionist, e.g. they have major issues with converts, it is primarily defensive in nature. Islam is expansionist and was intended to be.

You are trying to make comparisons to religions with very different mindsets. Neither Judaism nor Islam can be called a religion of peace, that epithet being applied to Islam is especially laughable, considering it is and was meant to be, a martial religion.

As far as we know Christianity was intended as a religion of peace, unfortunately Constantine the Great buggered that up and it has pretty much failed to live up to the billing ever since, but I digress.


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[Vyxn]

Christians kill far more Americans than Muslims do.

What, doesn't count because reasons?

there has been 17 deaths in the last 50 years from which Christianity was used as the motive for those murders

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And yet, our vetting process seems to be sufficient enough.

"The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is 1 in 3.6 billion."

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only been importing refuges in great numbers of for about two years got to give it some time before you can make a proper assessment

The private sale of firearms requires no background checks.

if the seller is aware that the purchaser has a criminal record he broke the law by selling the fire arm to him

[bergmann620]

there has been 17 deaths in the last 50 years from which Christianity was used as the motive for those murders

I'm still not sure why we care how people rationalize the crimes they've committed. If someone is trying to kill me, I don't care if it's because of their religion, or if it's because we have terrible social safety nets and they need my wallet to buy drugs.

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The figures below apply to the United States:

• The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is 1 in 3.6 billion.

• Since 9/11, an average of 9 people per year have been killed by Muslim Extremists in the United States.

• Foreigners from countries included in the Presidents temporary travel ban have killed Zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and 2015.

I believe foreign and domestic policy should be evidence-based. Looking at the number of deaths each year is only one way to measure risk. Would anyone like to present addition evidence analyzing the risk between immigration and terrorism in the United States?


Sources:

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.o.../pa798_1_1.pdf

https://www.cato.org/blog/little-nat...er-immigration

Classic bullshit, why on earth would you start after 9/11?

[Captain N]

And yet, our vetting process seems to be sufficient enough.

"The annual chance of an American dying in a terrorist attack committed by a refugee is 1 in 3.6 billion."

You beat me to it.

We have evidence that shows the very tiny chance of being harmed by a refugee.

I honestly wonder what it must feel like to be that scared...all the time...of everything.

[TZucchini]

there has been 17 deaths in the last 50 years from which Christianity was used as the motive for those murders

There have been ZERO American deaths as a result of terrorism in the past 50 years by foreigners belonging to the countries in Trump's travel ban.

if the seller is aware that the purchaser has a criminal record he broke the law by selling the fire arm to him

And if he doesn't, then he's not breaking the law. And there's no reason for him to find out, because there's no federal law requiring a background check.

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Classic bullshit, why on earth would you start after 9/11?

One of the three starts after 9/11. The other two do not.

[infinitemeridian]

The idea that we should form absolutist, inhumane policies in the pursuit of total safety -- it is the same mentality that cries out for guns in schools, for "zero tolerance" crime policies -- the same mentality that says trans acceptance is dangerous because crossdressing pervs will go into ladies' restrooms and cry victimization -- this idea that we have to sacrifice our values because SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE is going to slip through the cracks.

The US lets in barely ANY refugees to begin with and the vetting process takes up to 2 years. Last year, it didn't crack 2,000 refugees admitted, and that was a HUGE step up from years before, where the numbers were in the single digits.

Frankly, if Trump is so concerned about the vetting process we have in place (Though of course, he has never said what's wrong with it), then his administration could have just continued Obama's policies of letting in a smidgen of refugees WHILE reviewing the vetting process and avoid the bad press they had to have KNOWN would come from this.

This was impulsive, thoughtless policy driven by feverish emotions -- the president's specialty.

[Vyxn]

I'm still not sure why we care how people rationalize the crimes they've committed. If someone is trying to kill me, I don't care if it's because of their religion, or if it's because we have terrible social safety nets and they need my wallet to buy drugs.

knowing and understanding motives is used in prevention, apprehension, and conviction

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The idea that we should form absolutist, inhumane policies in the pursuit of total safety -- it is the same mentality that cries out for guns in schools, for "zero tolerance" crime policies -- the same mentality that says trans acceptance is dangerous because crossdressing pervs will go into ladies' restrooms and cry victimization -- this idea that we have to sacrifice our values because SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE is going to slip through the cracks.

The US lets in barely ANY refugees to begin with and the vetting process takes up to 2 years. Last year, it didn't crack 2,000 refugees admitted, and that was a HUGE step up from years before, where the numbers were in the single digits.

that argument is the same as saying because wearing a seatbelt doesn't save all lives why are we forced to wear seatbelts
It is called minimalizing the risk

[bergmann620]

Classic bullshit, why on earth would you start after 9/11?

I'm sure we didn't change any security protocols after 9/11, right?

[Machismo]

And not taking in refugees will reduce this chance even further, so im all for it!

I assume you are also for a ban and full confiscation of all firearms then, right?

[bergmann620]

knowing and understanding motives is used in prevention, apprehension, and conviction

We know why most murders happen. Poverty, passion, psychopathy. We mostly don't use that knowledge for anything except profiling and conviction, and even for conviction, the 'why' isn't really important beyond establishing that there was a motive.

[Vyxn]

I assume you are also for a ban and full confiscation of all firearms then, right?

yah because we have this big problem of guns getting up on their own and going out shooting someone

blaming the gun is the same as blaming the folk for obesity. if we just ban forks people wont be obese

[Zan15]

there has been 17 deaths in the last 50 years from which Christianity was used as the motive for those murders

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only been importing refuges in great numbers of for about two years got to give it some time before you can make a proper assessment





if the seller is aware that the purchaser has a criminal record he broke the law by selling the fire arm to him

lol how can they be "aware" if they do ZERO vetting (back ground checks)

[bergmann620]

I assume you are also for a ban and full confiscation of all firearms then, right?

Why stop there? Just imprison everyone that makes less than the median income, has had any sort of mental illness, or fails to look European.

[Zan15]

yah because we have this big problem of guns getting up on their own and going out shooting someone

blaming the gun is the same as blaming the folk for obesity. if we just ban forks people wont be obese

blaming the religion for people killing is the same level of stupidity.

blaming a bunch of nuts in a given country and placing that generalization on everyone from that country, is the same level of stupidity.