1. #5741
    Just logged to check, Method had 20 folks inside NH, Serenity had only 14...

  2. #5742
    Quote Originally Posted by victork8 View Post
    Limit is going for WFs no matter how much they wanna say they don't. They raid 24/7, why else would they? Why would they run splitruns? They just don't stand a chance, 3 days a week guilds from EU/NA are on the same boss.

    Except this is completely false because Limit only raids 5 hours a night

  3. #5743
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurathansal View Post
    Just logged to check, Method had 20 folks inside NH, Serenity had only 14...
    Must be on break 22 online 18 inside atm

  4. #5744
    Quote Originally Posted by Volinor7 View Post
    Except this is completely false because Limit only raids 5 hours a night
    Is that why they started raiding at about 11AM when Nighthold mythic released?

    I know for a fact that they raid shitloads, and that they do splitruns, and all that jazz. They're practically the most hardcore non-hardcore guild out there.

  5. #5745
    Quote Originally Posted by victork8 View Post
    Is that why they started raiding at about 11AM when Nighthold mythic released?

    I know for a fact that they raid shitloads, and that they do splitruns, and all that jazz. They're practically the most hardcore non-hardcore guild out there.
    Progression Schedule
    Days: Sunday - Friday
    Hours: 7:00 PM - 12:00 AM CST
    Hours extended by unanimous vote, but never to encroach on daytime working hours except on the first Tuesday of mythic release.
    We will raid the first Saturday of a tier as well.

  6. #5746
    Quote Originally Posted by victork8 View Post
    Is that why they started raiding at about 11AM when Nighthold mythic released?

    I know for a fact that they raid shitloads, and that they do splitruns, and all that jazz. They're practically the most hardcore non-hardcore guild out there.
    this is what it looks like when you have zero idea what you're talking about

  7. #5747
    Quote Originally Posted by victork8 View Post
    Is that why they started raiding at about 11AM when Nighthold mythic released?

    I know for a fact that they raid shitloads, and that they do splitruns, and all that jazz. They're practically the most hardcore non-hardcore guild out there.
    Idk why every single tier this conversation gets dragged out and region fanboys dredge it back up. Yes guilds like Limit and Midwinter raid from open of Mythic to often 1-2 am on the first Tuesday. They then drop their hours significantly. Limit raids only roughly 5 hours a day outside of unanimous guild vote for extending hours. They also add a Sat raid (a usual offnight) the first week of a tier, but not beyond that. Midwinter raids roughly 8 hours a day for the first two weeks of the tier and by the third week they are usually around their normal farm hours (sometimes slightly above based on progression and schedules). Guilds like Serenity, Method, and Exorsus raid 14-15 hours a day with no days off for multiple weeks. Even if tier goes beyond 2 weeks they keep much higher hours (When Archimonde made the 3rd reset Method was still raiding 12 hours a day according to them). The EU/US debate is boring. There are talented teams on both side. Whether you want to admit that its simply an ability of time invested than that is up to you, but it does not change that it is a fact. If there was a US guild devoting 14-15 hours a day for those prolonged periods they'd be right up in the competition as well, but they are not. Its no secret that the average US citizen has less flexible work hours and time off than the average EU citizen. Citizens across all socioeconomic backgrounds in the EU are afforded multiple weeks of "holidays" including students. In the US if you had a job that gave you the time off needed for such a schedule you are in a good enough job you would not be a progression raider. Not to mention US students again don't have the flexibility of EU students. This isn't a sob US story post, its the realities of the lifestyles between the two regions.

  8. #5748
    Quote Originally Posted by RumAndJuice View Post
    Progression Schedule
    Days: Sunday - Friday
    Hours: 7:00 PM - 12:00 AM CST
    Hours extended by unanimous vote, but never to encroach on daytime working hours except on the first Tuesday of mythic release.
    We will raid the first Saturday of a tier as well.
    They have more or less the same schedule as Danish Terrace but got beaten by them in both EN and ToV. Difference is Danish Terrace only picks players from a country with 5 million habitants.

  9. #5749
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    Holy fucking shit just read my previous posts. I've addressed your incorrect points like 4 times now.

    TLDR, zerg strats are always better if you have the numbers for them. Serenity had the numbers so the zerg strat was better for them. If Method had the numbers then they used an inferior strat. If Method did not have the numbers then they used the best strat for them. This is not an insult to either guild.

    This isn't rocket surgery people.
    Obviously it was a strat that worked well for them Same for method. Both guilds certainly did the maths depending of their setup. But i'm still sure than the most reproductible strat isn't Serenity's one for a raid compo more ..."classical", and guilds still on augur will have a lot of difficulties to do this one (Each reset will help a lot because of additional gear).
    I agree with you for that: this zerg strat (once everyone will have enough gear to do it) will be the one everyone will use. Right now, really few can do that

  10. #5750
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    Prestige is starting to get some low percentages regularly, they might break the wall soon.

    When did From Scratch killed Augur by the way? Arent they taking quite a bit more time compared to Top 3 ?

  11. #5751
    Quote Originally Posted by victork8 View Post
    Is that why they started raiding at about 11AM when Nighthold mythic released?

    I know for a fact that they raid shitloads, and that they do splitruns, and all that jazz. They're practically the most hardcore non-hardcore guild out there.
    Hardcore non-hardcore

    What is even the definition of hardcore? I think you can be a mythic progression guild (what I imagine you are thinking when you say hardcore) without raiding a billion hours on release. Hardcore to me implies what Method/Serenity/Exorsus are doing with their hours (maybe From Scratch too?), whereas these lower ranked guilds (20-200 top world maybe?) have a hardcore mentality (bash our head against the boss till it dies) but only between the hours of X and Y.

    Whenever there's a hardcore discussion, I feel it needs to be defined, as everyone's perception is different

  12. #5752
    Quote Originally Posted by Yindoo View Post
    Obviously a mistake, but lol'd at rocket surgery. Correct term would be rocket science
    Oh, I meant rocket surgery. The correct term is brain surgery or rocket science. Hence rocket surgery. ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriss View Post
    Obviously it was a strat that worked well for them Same for method. Both guilds certainly did the maths depending of their setup. But i'm still sure than the most reproductible strat isn't Serenity's one for a raid compo more ..."classical", and guilds still on augur will have a lot of difficulties to do this one (Each reset will help a lot because of additional gear).
    I agree with you for that: this zerg strat (once everyone will have enough gear to do it) will be the one everyone will use. Right now, really few can do that
    Fair enough. I had a minor freakout when I thought I was gonna have to repeat myself again. Sorry.

    This is why you don't check mmo-champ before your morning coffee boys and girls.

  13. #5753
    Quote Originally Posted by BeatdownBrigade View Post
    Idk why every single tier this conversation gets dragged out and region fanboys dredge it back up. Yes guilds like Limit and Midwinter raid from open of Mythic to often 1-2 am on the first Tuesday. They then drop their hours significantly. Limit raids only roughly 5 hours a day outside of unanimous guild vote for extending hours. They also add a Sat raid (a usual offnight) the first week of a tier, but not beyond that. Midwinter raids roughly 8 hours a day for the first two weeks of the tier and by the third week they are usually around their normal farm hours (sometimes slightly above based on progression and schedules). Guilds like Serenity, Method, and Exorsus raid 14-15 hours a day with no days off for multiple weeks. Even if tier goes beyond 2 weeks they keep much higher hours (When Archimonde made the 3rd reset Method was still raiding 12 hours a day according to them). The EU/US debate is boring. There are talented teams on both side. Whether you want to admit that its simply an ability of time invested than that is up to you, but it does not change that it is a fact. If there was a US guild devoting 14-15 hours a day for those prolonged periods they'd be right up in the competition as well, but they are not. Its no secret that the average US citizen has less flexible work hours and time off than the average EU citizen. Citizens across all socioeconomic backgrounds in the EU are afforded multiple weeks of "holidays" including students. In the US if you had a job that gave you the time off needed for such a schedule you are in a good enough job you would not be a progression raider. Not to mention US students again don't have the flexibility of EU students. This isn't a sob US story post, its the realities of the lifestyles between the two regions.

    Ur forgetting that a few years ago there were several US guilds raiding this much, like vodka, blood legion etc. and they still got absolutely destroyed in every world first race. So the excuse that EU guilds raid more doesn't rly cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandwhale View Post
    Prestige is starting to get some low percentages regularly, they might break the wall soon.

    When did From Scratch killed Augur by the way? Arent they taking quite a bit more time compared to Top 3 ?
    They are trying to find some kind of exploit to use cuz killing bosses in legit ways are so 2015 for them.

  14. #5754
    Quote Originally Posted by BeatdownBrigade View Post
    Idk why every single tier this conversation gets dragged out and region fanboys dredge it back up. Yes guilds like Limit and Midwinter raid from open of Mythic to often 1-2 am on the first Tuesday. They then drop their hours significantly. Limit raids only roughly 5 hours a day outside of unanimous guild vote for extending hours. They also add a Sat raid (a usual offnight) the first week of a tier, but not beyond that. Midwinter raids roughly 8 hours a day for the first two weeks of the tier and by the third week they are usually around their normal farm hours (sometimes slightly above based on progression and schedules). Guilds like Serenity, Method, and Exorsus raid 14-15 hours a day with no days off for multiple weeks. Even if tier goes beyond 2 weeks they keep much higher hours (When Archimonde made the 3rd reset Method was still raiding 12 hours a day according to them). The EU/US debate is boring. There are talented teams on both side. Whether you want to admit that its simply an ability of time invested than that is up to you, but it does not change that it is a fact. If there was a US guild devoting 14-15 hours a day for those prolonged periods they'd be right up in the competition as well, but they are not. Its no secret that the average US citizen has less flexible work hours and time off than the average EU citizen. Citizens across all socioeconomic backgrounds in the EU are afforded multiple weeks of "holidays" including students. In the US if you had a job that gave you the time off needed for such a schedule you are in a good enough job you would not be a progression raider. Not to mention US students again don't have the flexibility of EU students. This isn't a sob US story post, its the realities of the lifestyles between the two regions.
    I'm just tired of the dishonesty of NA players. I don't care much about NA/EU debate or whoever wins this race. The thing that bothers me is this "we can't play the same hours"-bullshit that i keep hearing from NA-fans. They think EU is some candyland where you can pick free hours off from work like it's apples from a tree. My theory is that this is more of a cultural problem than anything else, NA is highly individualistic, it's all about yourself. While EU suffers from collectivist ideas bred in socialism. It's more about the groups success than anything else. This is the one big thing that differs the regions from eachother, fuck the "can't play"-argument, really. There are hundreds of thousands NA players, surely at least 20 people would be able to go for WFs.

  15. #5755
    Quote Originally Posted by victork8 View Post
    I'm just tired of the dishonesty of NA players. I don't care much about NA/EU debate or whoever wins this race. The thing that bothers me is this "we can't play the same hours"-bullshit that i keep hearing from NA-fans. They think EU is some candyland where you can pick free hours off from work like it's apples from a tree. My theory is that this is more of a cultural problem than anything else, NA is highly individualistic, it's all about yourself. While EU suffers from collectivist ideas bred in socialism. It's more about the groups success than anything else. This is the one big thing that differs the regions from eachother, fuck the "can't play"-argument, really. There are hundreds of thousands NA players, surely at least 20 people would be able to go for WFs.
    There probably isn't one single reason why NA under-performs. I think your explanation is definitely part of it. But hours argument is probably part of it as well. Sure there are 20 people that could go for WF. But are those the best players we have to offer? Probably not, it limits the pool.

  16. #5756
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    Serenity back raiding now, Warrior + shaman in - not sure which 2 they removed

    1day of progress lost already, Lets see what there made of.

  17. #5757
    Quote Originally Posted by Dranged View Post
    Ur forgetting that a few years ago there were several US guilds raiding this much, like vodka, blood legion etc. and they still got absolutely destroyed in every world first race. So the excuse that EU guilds raid more doesn't rly cut it.

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    They are trying to find some kind of exploit to use cuz killing bosses in legit ways are so 2015 for them.
    The last time a US guild even raided close to method/serenity hours was Blood Legion, Garrosh and they finished world 2. Hardly destroyed. Even then they were raiding 10-12 hours less than method. Vodka, Midwinter never raided anywhere near as long. Why do you think Slootbag raids in EU.
    No one is taking away from the amazing skill players in Paragon, Method, Serenity. Not sure why EU can't accept the facts that US just doesn't care as much. It seems to hurt your fragile egos or something. It's strange.

    Perfect example. USA basketball DESTROYS the world in basketball. Does that mean no good players come from other countries? Of course not. Some of best players in NBA are foreigners but the other countries don't care as much to focus on starting own leagues to compete with USA on world stage.

  18. #5758
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realtalk View Post
    The last time a US guild even raided close to method/serenity hours was Blood Legion, Garrosh and they finished world 2. Hardly destroyed. Even then they were raiding 10-12 hours less than method. Vodka, Midwinter never raided anywhere near as long. Why do you think Slootbag raids in EU.
    No one is taking away from the amazing skill players in Paragon, Method, Serenity. Not sure why EU can't accept the facts that US just doesn't care as much. It seems to hurt your fragile egos or something. It's strange.

    Perfect example. USA basketball DESTROYS the world in basketball. Does that mean no good players come from other countries? Of course not. Some of best players in NBA are foreigners but the other countries don't care as much to focus on starting own leagues to compete with USA on world stage.
    Sorry but clearly a newfag.

    US guilds have been trying since the start of WoW to beat EU. Legion and later parts of WoD have been the only times they haven't. Why?

    Over 18 fucking tiers of losing they gave up.

    Death & Taxes bro

  19. #5759
    Quote Originally Posted by arkiizne View Post
    Serenity back raiding now, Warrior + shaman in - not sure which 2 they removed

    1day of progress lost already, Lets see what there made of.
    Been raiding errr 3 hours

  20. #5760
    Quote Originally Posted by Foyee View Post
    Sorry but clearly a newfag.

    US guilds have been trying since the start of WoW to beat EU. Legion and later parts of WoD have been the only times they haven't. Why?

    Over 18 fucking tiers of losing they gave up.

    Death & Taxes bro
    How did you manage to leave 4chan without using that irritating way of writing

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