Just logged to check, Method had 20 folks inside NH, Serenity had only 14...
Just logged to check, Method had 20 folks inside NH, Serenity had only 14...
Idk why every single tier this conversation gets dragged out and region fanboys dredge it back up. Yes guilds like Limit and Midwinter raid from open of Mythic to often 1-2 am on the first Tuesday. They then drop their hours significantly. Limit raids only roughly 5 hours a day outside of unanimous guild vote for extending hours. They also add a Sat raid (a usual offnight) the first week of a tier, but not beyond that. Midwinter raids roughly 8 hours a day for the first two weeks of the tier and by the third week they are usually around their normal farm hours (sometimes slightly above based on progression and schedules). Guilds like Serenity, Method, and Exorsus raid 14-15 hours a day with no days off for multiple weeks. Even if tier goes beyond 2 weeks they keep much higher hours (When Archimonde made the 3rd reset Method was still raiding 12 hours a day according to them). The EU/US debate is boring. There are talented teams on both side. Whether you want to admit that its simply an ability of time invested than that is up to you, but it does not change that it is a fact. If there was a US guild devoting 14-15 hours a day for those prolonged periods they'd be right up in the competition as well, but they are not. Its no secret that the average US citizen has less flexible work hours and time off than the average EU citizen. Citizens across all socioeconomic backgrounds in the EU are afforded multiple weeks of "holidays" including students. In the US if you had a job that gave you the time off needed for such a schedule you are in a good enough job you would not be a progression raider. Not to mention US students again don't have the flexibility of EU students. This isn't a sob US story post, its the realities of the lifestyles between the two regions.
Obviously it was a strat that worked well for them Same for method. Both guilds certainly did the maths depending of their setup. But i'm still sure than the most reproductible strat isn't Serenity's one for a raid compo more ..."classical", and guilds still on augur will have a lot of difficulties to do this one (Each reset will help a lot because of additional gear).
I agree with you for that: this zerg strat (once everyone will have enough gear to do it) will be the one everyone will use. Right now, really few can do that
Prestige is starting to get some low percentages regularly, they might break the wall soon.
When did From Scratch killed Augur by the way? Arent they taking quite a bit more time compared to Top 3 ?
Hardcore non-hardcore
What is even the definition of hardcore? I think you can be a mythic progression guild (what I imagine you are thinking when you say hardcore) without raiding a billion hours on release. Hardcore to me implies what Method/Serenity/Exorsus are doing with their hours (maybe From Scratch too?), whereas these lower ranked guilds (20-200 top world maybe?) have a hardcore mentality (bash our head against the boss till it dies) but only between the hours of X and Y.
Whenever there's a hardcore discussion, I feel it needs to be defined, as everyone's perception is different
Oh, I meant rocket surgery. The correct term is brain surgery or rocket science. Hence rocket surgery. ^_^
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Fair enough. I had a minor freakout when I thought I was gonna have to repeat myself again. Sorry.
This is why you don't check mmo-champ before your morning coffee boys and girls.
Ur forgetting that a few years ago there were several US guilds raiding this much, like vodka, blood legion etc. and they still got absolutely destroyed in every world first race. So the excuse that EU guilds raid more doesn't rly cut it.
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They are trying to find some kind of exploit to use cuz killing bosses in legit ways are so 2015 for them.
I'm just tired of the dishonesty of NA players. I don't care much about NA/EU debate or whoever wins this race. The thing that bothers me is this "we can't play the same hours"-bullshit that i keep hearing from NA-fans. They think EU is some candyland where you can pick free hours off from work like it's apples from a tree. My theory is that this is more of a cultural problem than anything else, NA is highly individualistic, it's all about yourself. While EU suffers from collectivist ideas bred in socialism. It's more about the groups success than anything else. This is the one big thing that differs the regions from eachother, fuck the "can't play"-argument, really. There are hundreds of thousands NA players, surely at least 20 people would be able to go for WFs.
There probably isn't one single reason why NA under-performs. I think your explanation is definitely part of it. But hours argument is probably part of it as well. Sure there are 20 people that could go for WF. But are those the best players we have to offer? Probably not, it limits the pool.
Serenity back raiding now, Warrior + shaman in - not sure which 2 they removed
1day of progress lost already, Lets see what there made of.
The last time a US guild even raided close to method/serenity hours was Blood Legion, Garrosh and they finished world 2. Hardly destroyed. Even then they were raiding 10-12 hours less than method. Vodka, Midwinter never raided anywhere near as long. Why do you think Slootbag raids in EU.
No one is taking away from the amazing skill players in Paragon, Method, Serenity. Not sure why EU can't accept the facts that US just doesn't care as much. It seems to hurt your fragile egos or something. It's strange.
Perfect example. USA basketball DESTROYS the world in basketball. Does that mean no good players come from other countries? Of course not. Some of best players in NBA are foreigners but the other countries don't care as much to focus on starting own leagues to compete with USA on world stage.