Trump travel ban blocked nationwide

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I like it´s not even really "Trump´s travel ban", but you think it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTF...86196640147125

[Jimmy Thick]

Um, funny how Trump gets this backlash...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/16/th...of-immigrants/

Donald Trump has received much flak from Democrats and Republicans alike for his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the U.S through executive authority. However, the past six presidents have all used the executive power to bar different classes of immigrants.

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”


President Barack Obama has used the authority this statute provides six times in his tenure. In July 2011, Obama barred the entry of “anyone under a UN travel ban; anyone who violates any of 29 executive orders regarding transactions with terrorists, those who undermine the democratic process in specific countries, or transnational criminal organizations.”
In April of 2012, he barred the entry of anyone “facilitating computer or network disruption that could assist in or enable serious human rights abuses by or on behalf of the government of Iran and Syria; anyone who have sold or provided goods, services, or technology to Iran or Syria likely to be used for such purposes; or to have materially assisted anyone whose property or interests are described.”


Former President George W.Bush used this authority six times as well during his tenure, typically on government officials. In January 2004, he signed an order “barring entry for public officials who solicit or accept bribes in exchange for any act or omission in their public duties that has serious adverse effects on the national interests of the U.S.; anyone who provides or offers to provide such a bribe; any current or former public official whose misappropriation of public funds or interference with public processes has had serious adverse effects on the national interests of the U.S.; or the immediate families.”

The groups Bush barred for entry included members of the Mugabe government in Zimbabwe and the Lukashenka government in Belarus.

The authority of the president to bar certain classes of aliens was used six times by former President Bill Clinton. For example, in May of 1994 Clinton signed an order “barring entry for members of the Haitian military, their immediate families, any major participants in the coup d’état of 1991.”

Then in January of 1998, Clinton signed an order “barring entry for members of the military junta in Sierra Leone, and their families.”

Former President George H.W Bush only used this executive authority once in his four years of office. When he did use it, it was actually to undo a previous executive order by President Ronald Reagan that suspended entry of officers and employees of the Nicaraguan government.

Former President Ronald Reagan used this executive authority five times while in office. In September of 1981, he barred the entry of “any undocumented aliens arriving at the borders of the United States from the high seas.” In August of 1986, Reagan signed an order “barring entry for any Cuban nationals or immigrants except in certain cases.” These “certain cases” included Cuban nationals who had applied for entry into the U.S as immediate family members and those who under law were “special immigrants.”

Former President Jimmy Carter used this executive power only once and in a way quite similar to what Trump has proposed. In April 1980, as the U.S embassy in Tehran was under terrorist control, Carter signed an order invalidating “all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States.” The order said that the U.S “will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires.”

Law Professor Jan Ting of Temple University told The Daily Caller that “absolutely and without any doubt” does existing law allow Trump to restrict immigration of certain nationalities or religious groups.


Jimmy Thick-So other Presidents get a pass because...

[Kontinuum]

Trump bid to restore travel ban rejected
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38872680

[Deleted]

Um. No, kiddo. It's not illegal for a judge to make a ruling on a matter of law.

It's actually kind of what they're there for.

What if they are "so-called" judge ?
I don't know what that means but I would guess it is a judge in every aspect but in opposition to Trump supremacy.

When one leader is attacking the press and the legal system, one should start to be worried.

[Mormolyce]

Are we seriously still repeating "but Obama did it" from your friendly neighbourhood right wing mouthpiece?

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Are we seriously still repeating "but Obama did it" from your friendly neighbourhood right wing mouthpiece?

Right.. when Obama did it outrage.. flip out.. dictator!!!! Now their guy does it "but its ok.. I mean the other guy did it and we approve.. totally within the law"

[Escariot]

trump is just doing what he promised he would in the campaign, unlike every other head of state ever


and besides the american people voted, and now he is doing what they voted for


inb4 some liberal mentions popular vote

[Zeek Daniels]

Trump bid to restore travel ban rejected
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38872680

If you look at the constitution, And the powers given to the executive branch, then the president has both the power and authority to close its borders to aliens. The Judicial branch has the power and Authority to block the Legislative branch or Executive branch if they deem somthing is not within the bounds of the Constitution.

However like many have stated,
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

So the Judicial Branch should not have a leg to stand on. Its is constitutional and its been done in the past with Zero backlash from the Judicial branch.

Are we seriously still repeating "but Obama did it" from your friendly neighbourhood right wing mouthpiece?

The truth hurts doesnt it. Dont try to downplay it. Plenty of other presidents have used this type of order to varying degrees. Doesnt matter if your right or left, Both dems and Reps presidents have used this type of action to block certain aliens from entering the country.

Oh and if you dont think these 7 countries should have been banned then as Obama why he named them the most dangerous countries in terms of vetting aliens, as their goverments are hostile and dont cooperate in the vetting process.

[Deleted]

trump is just doing what he promised he would in the campaign, unlike every other head of state ever


and besides the american people voted, and now he is doing what they voted for


inb4 some liberal mentions popular vote

He also said he would not oppose the election result if he won, we all know how that went.
I guess he is doing what he said he would do and what he said he would not do.
If he starts doing things he never mentionned he will be the first omni-president.

[Rhaide]

That's probably what will continue to happen. Trump does a thing, if people don't comply he'll fire them and replace them with someone who will. Because fascist.

Weird, never heard of a boss firing an employee for not doing what they say.

Legality notwithstanding.

[Deleted]

If you look at the constitution, And the powers given to the executive branch, then the president has both the power and authority to close its borders to aliens. The Judicial branch has the power and Authority to block the Legislative branch or Executive branch if they deem somthing is not within the bounds of the Constitution.

However like many have stated,
Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

So the Judicial Branch should not have a leg to stand on. Its is constitutional and its been done in the past with Zero backlash from the Judicial branch.



The truth hurts doesnt it. Dont try to downplay it. Plenty of other presidents have used this type of order to varying degrees. Doesnt matter if your right or left, Both dems and Reps presidents have used this type of action to block certain aliens from entering the country.

Oh and if you dont think these 7 countries should have been banned then as Obama why he named them the most dangerous countries in terms of vetting aliens, as their goverments are hostile and dont cooperate in the vetting process.

"... the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which is now 8 U.S. Code 1152:

No person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152

You are still wrong.

[ranzino]

President may ban refugees, but not Green Card and Visa holders or dual citizenships. Maybe if Trump would have worded his EO better.... ?

[Deleted]

And she did her job by denying an unlawful order from the president.

she didn't think the EO was unlawful, and even if the EO was unlawful, her orders were to go to court, you are now saying that an order to go to court is unlawful.
You are just plainly absurd.

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Sorry i dont follow, Whats wrong with following the constitution? Or did it change when i wasnt looking?

Given that a complete and utter ban on all Muslims would be perfectly constitutional (not legal mind you) - maybe you should revisit it?

[Mormolyce]

The truth hurts doesnt it. Dont try to downplay it. Plenty of other presidents have used this type of order to varying degrees. Doesnt matter if your right or left, Both dems and Reps presidents have used this type of action to block certain aliens from entering the country.

Oh and if you dont think these 7 countries should have been banned then as Obama why he named them the most dangerous countries in terms of vetting aliens, as their goverments are hostile and dont cooperate in the vetting process.

Well I could educate you but here, read this it'll save time:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ration-restri/

If these countries are so important to block travel from then why don't you explain to me why not one single country of origin of any successful terrorist attacker is included in the list? Where's Saudi Arabia? UAE? Egypt? Lebanon? You know, the places the 9/11 bombers came from?

The Fort Hood shooter - he was born in Virginia but hey let's be generous and go back a generation. His parents were Palestinian - also not on the travel ban.

The Boston Bombers were Chechens who grew up in Kyrgyzstan and came to the US by way of Russia. None of which are in the travel ban.

San Bernandino attack. Guy was born in Chicago, parents were Pakistani. Also not in the travel ban.

Orlando nightclub shooting - another American. His parents were from Afghanistan. You guessed it - not in the travel ban.

It's almost like... this is a purely cynical political move designed to gratify dumbfucks and racists who don't know facts from "alt facts", and has no intention whatsoever of actually stopping any terrorist attacks.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

[Zeek Daniels]

"... the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which is now 8 U.S. Code 1152:

No person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1152

You are still wrong.

Posting somthing that doesnt apply nice try though. Thats on an individual basis, Aka if the ban was only Men from Sudan could get visas but women couldnt. This is a blanket ban on ALL aliens. If your code applied then where previous presidents allowed to ban but not Trump.

Your Act does not apply to a whole nation but just to an individual person.

-edit- also thats for the issuing of visas. Looks like the pertains specifically to the visa process not on immigration. So someone in charge of handing out Visa's cant discriminate against people but let others in. Thats got nothing to do with laws against immigration.

[JCD000]

Um, funny how Trump gets this backlash...
(snip)

Other than the Cuba ban, the other ones are all for having done crimes or being complicit with criminals/terrorists, not simply being born on a piece of land.

[Deleted]

Posting somthing that doesnt apply nice try though. Thats on an individual basis, Aka if the ban was only Men from Sudan could get visas but women couldnt. This is a blanket ban on ALL aliens. If your code applied then where previous presidents allowed to ban but not Trump.

Your Act does not apply to a whole nation but just to an individual person.

Except he didn't banned ALL aliens. If that was the case, he wouldn't have this problem. The EO does discriminate.

[Zeek Daniels]

Except he didn't banned ALL aliens. If that was the case, he wouldn't have this problem. The EO does discriminate.

Currently who is being discriminated and who is exempt according to the Executive Order?

[Hashtronaut]

It's funny because everyone is only against this ban because Trump put it in place.

If Obama or Hillary had done this everyone whose currently against it would be praising them.
It's temporary anyway, by the time everyone is done arguing about it a new vetting process will be in place and the ban will be over.

[Draco-Onis]

It's funny because everyone is only against this ban because Trump put it in place.

If Obama or Hillary had done this everyone whose currently against it would be praising them.
It's temporary anyway, by the time everyone is done arguing about it a new vetting process will be in place and the ban will be over.

Obama or Hillary didn't do it so nice deflection and it is permanent for Syrian refugees (exemption for Christians).