The better trained and educated citizens are the better off everyone is. Education and training shouldn't cost a single penny to the student. With sensible restrictions like excluding junk degrees/jobs and "repeat learners".
The better trained and educated citizens are the better off everyone is. Education and training shouldn't cost a single penny to the student. With sensible restrictions like excluding junk degrees/jobs and "repeat learners".
Taxing high-priced real estate is fine, but then using the proceeds to subsidize tuition, bringing in more people to the city, driving up prices even further? Seems like a net neutral, to me.
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There's no denying that college for everyone would be great. However, the issue is the cost on government and the amount of government funding that could potentially be wasted.
Are we going to fund people's education on areas of study which have very little chance to benefit society? Art degrees, let's face it, would be a huge waste of government funding 95% of the time.
Are we going to fund people who have no other motivation other than "Well it's free so I might as well give it a shot."? What happens if they fail and end up wasting everyone's time? I feel like this is much more likely to happen if you can just go there with absolutely no risk other than time wasted if you fail.
I think the biggest advantage to the current system of having people pay for their education is that they're motivated to do well because they don't want to waste a bunch of their own money. If we could find a way to implement a system where it's free but only for certain degrees (those most valuable to society), and where you have to pay back the government if you fail to finish your degree, then I might be able to get on board. Otherwise I feel like the cost on society is too great to justify the benefit to society.
I can only comment on grants here in Georgia. You lose you financial aide status if you don't maintain a GPA of at least 2.0 or if you withdraw from to many classes.
2.0 is laughable low though, I'd like to see it raised to 3.0
You ask some people on here and they would swear I am a total moron and granted I'm not taking something like nuclear physics, but my GPA is 3.9 - I'm trying this semester to reach that 4.0 as a matter of principal lol
So far I've got a perfect 100 in my Constitutional Law class this semester. Woot
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$46 per credit hour?
That's ALL IT COST? Holy crap, most students would gladly pay that compared to most prices. O_O
$1500 a year for a full load of 15 credit hours per semester!
I imagine most people would gladly pay back a student loan if it was only $6,000 at the end of four years. That's less than a car for crying out loud.
"BUT IT'S NOT FREE!!!1111"
Can people stop saying this like it's an argument? Everybody know it's not "free".
Exactly. Which is why they don't argue that 'hurr taxes are theft' or 'hurr, tuition free education isn't -really- free'.
Reasonable people are debating whether or not tertiary education requires either a nominal fee in the vein of HECS or should be tuition free outright, not whether or not it's okay to levy taxes for the public benefit.
People absolutely should question the value of a public utility. It would be silly not to. That's the whole fucking point of the entire debate.
Should the government fund the creation and maintenance of public highways?
Most would say yes. That is a very valuable public utility.
Should the government provide a "stripper fund" with which government officials can go out on the weekends and pay for as many lap dances as they want at their local strip club?
Fuck no. That can come out of their own pockets. No one would ever approve of this because it's not a valuable public utility.
Should the government pay for everyone's college?
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how they go about it. Some would agree, some would disagree. It's pretty split and for good reason.
I can see SO MANY gender studies degrees in the coming years.
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You don't seem to be aware that these sorts of degrees are decreasing as a percentage of total graduate degrees.
Then again, I doubt you're familiar with what gender studies actually encompasses.
Tax money exclusively taken from the sale of expensive homes. Jelly people hating the rich.
On topic, yeah let's see all the state schools go free and cripple the economy for years and degrade the value of the educations given when something like no child left behind comes up. A city school doing this is /yawn
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Well yeah since half of them found out they were pretty worthless. Then again the more colleges become free, the more you're going to need graduate degrees for shitty jobs, but people don't think about that. I mean you could be a manager 15 years ago with a high school diploma and now they're not really even hiring without graduate level degrees at some places.