Is it Time to Change the 14 Amendment?

[Phlegethon]

Two illegal immigrants can violate our border laws, then crank out children and exploit them for welfare. Which they often do because they cannot survive on their rock bottom wages. The American tax payer takes up the slack.

You listen to your president too much. All he has are alternative facts, you should know that

http://whytrumpisgreat.com/

[Hiricine]

None, because the illegal immigrants that came to the US (the people you're related to) wiped them out in a genocide.

If anything, y'all have an obligation to support the remaining native americans and work to return ALL of the US to them.

Well if there aren't any Native Americans left there isn't much point in talking about them.

To your second point- can you prove that those Native Americans had a claim to the land? Wars were frequent among Native Americans, I'd bet the very tribes that you'd insist have a claim on the land killed someone else and took it from them.

Not to make light of the atrocities committed upon them, but if we're raising the argument that they have a claim to the USA then there has to be some logical basis that proves a tremendously diverse and nebulous group of people have some sort of unified claim to the country.

[Belize]

I'm not sure if it's been pointed out, but I'm not sure "Top Right News" has an unbiased view on the subject.

[Rudkobing]

W Can I do a flock of seagulls?

Yes. Yes, you can.

[Kiri]

Not to make light of the atrocities committed upon them, but if we're raising the argument that they have a claim to the USA then there has to be some logical basis that proves a tremendously diverse and nebulous group of people have some sort of unified claim to the country.

They do not need a unified claim to the whole of the US, just the respective land of a tribe, for the settlers that just settled there to become illegal immigrants.

[Templar 331]

If you're born here you ARE a citizen. End of story.

These children aren't taking away funding for assistance programs, it's conservative law makers who believe in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that want to constantly cut funding to these programs.

[JohnBrown1917]

14th amendment of what country?

[downnola]

Wow, people are arguing to repeal the 14th amendment now? That's a scary thought; good thing hell would freeze over before 50 states agreed on removing it from the constitution.

[Belize]

14th amendment of what country?

Macedonia!

Er... Wait...

[JohnBrown1917]

Macedonia!

Er... Wait...

But a US senator claimed that country does not exist, and they can't be wrong, right?

[ranzino]

Ok, 14th amendment was not installed for sheer love of immigrants but to give citizen rights in a broad sweep to all persons present in USA, slaves included, in 1868. it was part of reconstruction amendments after the civil war.

as said in the video up there, even anchor babies cannot sponsor their parents until themselves turn 21.

[Captain N]

If you're born here you ARE a citizen. End of story.

These children aren't taking away funding for assistance programs, it's conservative law makers who believe in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that want to constantly cut funding to these programs.

But only to poor folks. For the ultra wealthy they need government assistance in the form of tax breaks and other subsidiaries in order to create jobs or whatever other nonsense talking point their constituents eat up as to why it's OK for someone to get a special tax for owning a yacht but they bitch at someone getting the EIC.

[Tikaru]

No
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[cuafpr]

The anchor baby law needs to change / just go away... times have changed.

[Machismo]

The anchor baby law needs to change / just go away... times have changed.

Naw, I like freedom, freedom is awesome.

If someone is born in America, they should be a citizen. Otherwise, this country would have faltered more than a century ago.

[Spectral]

Yes, I think the time has come for some revisions. Jus soli is a perfectly fine principle when you can rely on almost everyone in your nation being there legally and not exploiting the benefit granted by jus soli, but breaks down when the incentives are as strong as they are in a nation with an extremely "generous" welfare state. When the benefits are this large, you're bound to wind up with many people that exploit the system.

A simple revision to account for legal status of the parents (not citizenship - we don't want to create second generation people that are second class citizens or non-citizens) would be fairly straightforward to write and implement. This is only controversial insomuch as radical open borders ideology is the modern political center.

[Shadowferal]

Too many prefer "alternative facts" and ignorant of history. (What country practices "forced labor camps for illegal immigrants?")

14th Amendment isn't going anywhere.

[artemishunter1]

If you're born here you ARE a citizen. End of story.

These children aren't taking away funding for assistance programs, it's conservative law makers who believe in "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" that want to constantly cut funding to these programs.

NOT end of the story. Just because you say it is. 14 amendments NEEDS to be repealed.

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Too many prefer "alternative facts" and ignorant of history. (What country practices "forced labor camps for illegal immigrants?")

14th Amendment isn't going anywhere.

Needs to go somewhere, by that repealed. Its original purpose LONG dead.

[Malacrass]

The US system is bizarre. Why would you hand out citizenship just because someone happened to be born in your country? This isn't just about Mexicans, don't you guys have "citizenship tourists" from all sort of countries, especially China?

As a contrast, it's not super hard to gain the German citizenship, but simply being born here isn't enough. If both parents are foreigners they have to live for eight years in Germany, while having an approved unlimited stay in the country (= not illegal or limited).

[Machismo]

NOT end of the story. Just because you say it is. 14 amendments NEEDS to be repealed.

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Needs to go somewhere, by that repealed. Its original purpose LONG dead.

Yeah, because equality under the law is a terrible thing...