Old God Lore Ruined?

[Selastan]

Mhhh...so these void lords created the Old Gods? That's kinda odd to me since Old Gods are physical and the Void wouldn't be something that has "physical" beings inside it no?

I think that is why they came out as repulsive flesh mountains. Beings of the Void manifesting in a physical state just isn't right. Its not gonna be pretty. Kind of like how the monster from Steven King's IT manifests as a giant spider. Its the closest thing to its true form the human mind understand. Old Gods formed in the Void don't translate well to physical reality, and come out as shapeless blobs of flesh, eyes, mouths, and tentacles.

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This is actually a great point. We used to imagine Titans as beings on a scale certainly that the Keepers measured up to, the way we measured up to the Keepers. Beings of great power that shaped the landscape, climate and life of lands, and that could take on armies.

We never imagined them as being so gigantic, that they don't normally interact with worlds, because they are far too big for such delicate shaping, relying on their proxies to do so. They are being the size of planets, whose battles extinguish suns. It's not that Old Gods are no longer super powerful, able to doom worlds. It's that the Titans are able to crush Gods in their fists.

Idk about extinguishing suns. A planet sized titan would be smaller to a sun than we are to them.

[Aquamonkey]

Idk about extinguishing suns. A planet sized titan would be smaller to a sun than we are to them.

Infuriated by this unthinkable murder, the Pantheon launched an all-out assault on Sargeras and his Burning Legion. Star withered and died as the battle raged across the cosmos, scarring vast stretches of reality. Nihilam, known thereafter as the Doom World, became warped and twisted by the apocalyptic conflict. The titans of the Pantheon wielded powers incomprehensible to mortal minds, yet even they could not overcome Sargeras's fel-fueled might.
--Chronicle v1

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Tbh I sometimes feel WOW got too epic :P

I somewhat miss warcraft 2 feeling of orcs vs humans and so on.

[Cheapnecrolyte]

I think that is why they came out as repulsive flesh mountains. Beings of the Void manifesting in a physical state just isn't right. Its not gonna be pretty. Kind of like how the monster from Steven King's IT manifests as a giant spider. Its the closest thing to its true form the human mind understand. Old Gods formed in the Void don't translate well to physical reality, and come out as shapeless blobs of flesh, eyes, mouths, and tentacles.

Ehh, but one can presume that the Void, as a vampiric force, is driven to devour matter and all energy, including the matter and energy of the Old Gods - if they have any. Meh!!=[<3

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except we dident take down yog and cthun, only their phsyical forms, they are still very much alive
look at yash, it was fucking ripped out of the planet by a titan, and still is alive

Finaly someone said that. But i think Yash is perma dead. Yogg and Cthun are alive.

[Donald Hellscream]

The old gods are attack dogs shat out by the Void Lords so it isn't surprising that they didn't match the strength of Aman'thul or Sargeras.

Given that the titans in their full size is as big if not bigger than an entire planet it would also be stupid if the old gods were more powerful.

[SirBeef]

Finaly someone said that. But i think Yash is perma dead. Yogg and Cthun are alive.

Wrong, only N'zoth remains alive. The other three are completely dead. This has been confirmed by Blizzard. They are moving away from the Old Gods/BL lore into new stuff, they are not going to keep them around. Once N'zoth is killed, we can move on. Besides, The Old Gods are physical beings. They may have corruption that still remains and taints areas, people, and creatures but they are not spirits that can manifest in other physical bodies.

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Infurieated by this unthinkable murder, the Pantheon launched an all-out assault on Sargeras and his Burning Legion. Star withered and died as the battle raged across the cosmos, scarring vast stretches of reality. Nihilam, known thereafter as the Doom World, became warped and twisted by the apocalyptic conflict. The titans of the Pantheon wielded powers incomprehensible to mortal minds, yet even they could not overcome Sargeras's fel-fueled might.
--Chronicle v1

Pretty sure that quote is in reference to time. Alluding that their battle lasted so long stars withered and died during the course.

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That's only because Old Gods are only a threat to "living" things. Titans are immune to the corruption they cause, and due to this the Old Gods don't have any power over them.

The Old Gods, by functional nature, only have power when they have a following. Which is why having living things to corrupt and enslave is so important to them, they gain power through zealotry.


I personally think Old Gods are still quite mystical. Their creation, for one thing, is largely a mystery beyond "physical manifestation of void lords". Not to mention what happens when an Old God dies (and why that happens) are too a mystery. Infact, there are still many, many things for Blizzard to iterate on in Old God lore, you're just not looking that hard.

The whole point of the Old Gods is to corrupt nascent Titans so the Void lords can use it to destroy the physical universe according to Chronicles.

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Wrong, only N'zoth remains alive. The other three are completely dead. This has been confirmed by Blizzard.

Show me exact post where it is said. Or video where it is officialy said.

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Tbh I sometimes feel WOW got too epic :P

I somewhat miss warcraft 2 feeling of orcs vs humans and so on.

Agree on that. But at the same time you can't have a expansion without dangerous bosses. Also the fact that every player now are special snowflakes adds to that problem. What we need is a H vs. A expansion - to focus on the war in WARcraft. We should all just be soldiers again.

[Combatbutler]

Pretty sure that quote is in reference to time. Alluding that their battle lasted so long stars withered and died during the course.

Why should it reflect time in this particular context? That passage pretty much talks about the intensity of the battle which scarred vast stretches of reality itself.

Besides titans have pure arcane power as blood, destroying a solar system shouldn't be beyond the capability of a titan.

[Cheapnecrolyte]

Something to consider here:

http://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/Gods

Can one ever truly destroy a god, putting a lasting end to its existence? Unfortunately that question has departed the realm of philosophy and become a matter of vital concern. Not long ago, the priests of Hakkar the Soulflayer succeeded in summoning their hungry god physically into Azeroth. Worse, C'Thun has awakened, freed itself, and reemerged from the planet's depths. Many valiant heroes are banding together in the hope of defeating these two evil gods.

[Traveler Voltin]

Even the shadow priest dagger says N'zoth is the only one alive.

[Dalheim]

That was never a possibility. The closest thing an OG came to beating a titan was C'Thun and a noname titan with a double KO. Back when the Pantheon were just the elite ruling sect of a larger titan race. While the OGs and Krasus claimed the 3 OGs would beat Sargeras, they were delusional and Blizzard confirmed the hyperbole.

I feel that this is the fault of Krasus. What did Krasus truly know about Sargeras power and the Old Gods except for myths and legends?

[Imnick]

That's my point. Originally we didn't know how the war between the Old Gods and Titans went down. We just knew that there were more Titans then there were Old Gods, so doing some math you would think that if four Old Gods could rival seven Titans that would make the Old Gods stronger. It was all speculation then though.

If that was your logic it was always kind of flawed.
The seven titans were a universal presence, not exclusive to Azeroth. The four Old Gods have never been stated to be the only four, they've always been the four that live on Azeroth.
You were drawing a conclusion based on a very shaky premise.

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The whole point of the Old Gods is to corrupt nascent Titans so the Void lords can use it to destroy the physical universe according to Chronicles.

What you're saying isn't really contradicting what he's saying.
The awakened Titans, the beings he was talking about, are immune to Old God corruption, else they wouldn't need to get in while they were still gestating :P

[Matthias]

Wrong, only N'zoth remains alive. The other three are completely dead. This has been confirmed by Blizzard. They are moving away from the Old Gods/BL lore into new stuff, they are not going to keep them around. Once N'zoth is killed, we can move on. Besides, The Old Gods are physical beings. They may have corruption that still remains and taints areas, people, and creatures but they are not spirits that can manifest in other physical bodies.

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Pretty sure that quote is in reference to time. Alluding that their battle lasted so long stars withered and died during the course.

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That is just such a buzz kill to me. Fighting C'thun and Yogg'saron was awesome. But when we defeated them I was always under the impression that they would return and be far more powerful at some point and we only stood a chance because they were extremely weakened.

[Selastan]

Wrong, only N'zoth remains alive. The other three are completely dead. This has been confirmed by Blizzard.

Yogg is still alive, we see this in the pre-legion questline where we go to Ulduar. Y'Shaarj and C'thun were almost resurrected, so they aren't permanently dead like mortal characters.

[Raetary]

Yogg is still alive, we see this in the pre-legion questline where we go to Ulduar. Y'Shaarj and C'thun were almost resurrected, so they aren't permanently dead like mortal characters.

yogg isnt alive, what we saw in ulduar were echoes and saronite vapors.

[Nibelheimy]

yogg isnt alive, what we saw in ulduar were echoes and saronite vapors.

You don't know that for sure, so don't state it as fact. Its misleading.

[Raetary]

You don't know that for sure, so don't state it as fact. Its misleading.

Are you kidding? Its litterally what was told and presented in there.....

[Caerule]

The Old Gods are dead. The sources on this are numerous. But if you want the latest one, the Priest dagger claims it. And it knows what it's talking about, because it's quite implied that this thing is the remnant of a fifth Old God. But yes, the dagger makes also makes it clear that it always was destined for there to be one Old God left. Old Gods don't corrupt worlds together. They're not team players. They wage war till one remains, which then grows out to consume the entire world.

Yogg-Saron and C'thun aren't just dead. They needed to die. And now N'Zoth can mature into a world-wide terror.

There's two reasons people think the Old Gods are still alive.
1. The Old Gods don't rest peacefully. The Sha. The voices of C'thun. The corruption of N'Zoth. Old Gods just refuse to die gracefully. Y'shaarj's heart was still speaking, giving visions, spawning horrors, spreading corruption.
2. Old lore states that the Titans couldn't kill them, and it wasn't clarified too well why that was. So people theorized that they were unkillable. Or that the world would end if they ever died. We now know the Titans couldn't kill them, because the Titans killing them would be unsubtle, and would leave a potentially fatal wound on Azeroth.

Those two reasons may be stuck in people's head. But that doesn't mean they ended up being true. It is just not the case.

It's good that C'thun and N'Zoth are dead. Now we get to face one Old God. A free one. With power far beyond an immature Old God, in competition with others. N'Zoth is the Supreme.