Study Reveals 72 Terrorists Came From Countries Covered by Trump Vetting Order

[Deleted]

I agree. I was just using your words in your context. Mainly to see if it was an anti-religion thing (re: those that subscribe to the given biases, obviously not ALL religions do) vs an anti-Muslim thing.

Considering I spent a good 3 years teaching English in both Bangladesh and India, I am very much against the Religion, and I think it's a burden on many wonderful people.

[AlphaOut]

So, again, you'd divert attention - and real time - and real resources - On a marginal threat, that already has very functioning counteractions - For the purpose of..... what, again?

Literally zero attention is being diverted from an agency that works strictly on a national level, versus an agency that works solely internationally. Two different entities, two different fundings.

[stabetha]

We already have safeguards in place to vet people prior to arriving here from suspect countries. Giving into fear-mongering and eroding human rights in the name of security not only helps the terrorists win (literally and figuratively) but damages us as a people.

More white Christians have committed acts of terrorism and killed more people on American soil than any other terrorist group in the world in the past 15 years. Why aren't we preventing Christians from other countries from coming here? Why aren't we putting them all in camps just in case?

lol scolds people "for giving into to fear mongering", then does his own fear mongering

[Deleted]

You realize that countries like Pakistan have had female heads of state, and the USA has not, right? That the USA just passed laws allowing for marriage equality, and has a very poor history of gay rights? Stop pretending there's some massive divide, here.

And England has only two women prime ministers, but you still don't see Honor killings as a standard in England do you? Nice false Equivalences.

[DSRilk]

No. I know exactly what Sharia Law is. I am opposed to it in all forms and all interpretations because it is never interpreted as a good thing.

Do a little fact checked, or will this hurt your narrative. Look up Women's rights in Sharia dominant countries. Look up the rights of Gay people, Look up Age of consent.

Am I being irrationally fearful where EVERYWHERE even in the "Moderate" Muslim places, that it seems to be a pretty big trend for these aspects of Sharia to manifest, regardless of the countries legal laws.

Rotheram was legal under Sharia Law. Am I supposed to forgive those Moderate Muslims?

The laws were pretty similar in Christian nations for a very long time. The real question is, how do you get them to change? In the Christian countries, it was due to moderate reformers - a group of people who are just now starting to rise up in the Muslim world. So my argument would be that, while I sadly see no good short term solution, a decent long term solution is to help foster an environment where moderate Muslims can help transform their religion into something much more inline with the rest of what I would call the (mostly) civilized world.

[Deleted]

Literally zero attention is being diverted from an agency that works strictly on a national level, versus an agency that works solely internationally. Two different entities, two different fundings.

I mean on a grander scale. If something is a very small, marginal threat - that is already very much contained - Why spend ANY resources, on that - when ANY resources, could be re-directed to account for greater threats?

It's just a Math equation - if not enough people are being damaged by X things, funnel the money for protection of X thing, to handle Y thing instead.

I am questioning the purpose of the very action, at all.

[Damajin]

And what about the IRA bombers? Timothy McVeigh? The bomber of the Centennial Olympic Park? The Wisconsin Sikh temple shooter? Dylan Roof?

You act like it's somehow uniquely Islamic, and it's not. Islamic terrorism isn't occurring due to their faith, it's geopolitical. Which is why they're comining largely from the Middle East, when most Muslims aren't Middle Eastern.

This is disengenuous because radical Islam doesn't make any distinctions between geopolitics and faith. Sharia governs the entire facet of human existence.

Moreover it's systemic, the rest of your bomber examples are lone wolf types and thus not worth basing any policy around other than the general overarching anti terrorist/terrorism laws. You want to trot out all these "moderate" or Western Muslims who have an infinite variance in the degree of their practice of Islam as the defining example but it doesn't work like that because the problem is still Muslims, period. That they're coming from the M.E. is due to our destabilizing interventionism and cowboy actions there, if we were destabilizing Muslim Asia to the extent that we are the M.E. you'd be saying Asia instead, so the location doesn't matter, the existence of lukewarm to non practitioners doesn't matter.

What matters is that we've got a serious problem as does Europe with radical Islam that even as it moves into the West doesn't ever normalize and become compatible with the indigenous host population and there's no reason to believe that is going to change no matter how far we bend over backwards for these cavemen. Therefore not only pushing them out and returning them to their own lands but also stopping that aforementioned interventionist foreign policy is the only thing we can do. This is a oil and water situation at its core.

[DSRilk]

lol scolds people "for giving into to fear mongering", then does his own fear mongering

I think he was trying to show the potentially hypocrisy, not actually "fear mongering" and stating that we SHOULD do those things; but perhaps I misunderstood him.

[Zeth Hawkins]

The study broadened that analysis to include "use of a weapon of mass destruction, conspiracy to commit a terror act, material support of a terrorist or terror group, international money laundering conspiracy, possession of explosives or missiles, and unlawful possession of a machine gun. "

While I am no politician, and could be wholly under-thinking this, the broadened analysis appears very reasonable. The people that fall into any of the above categories are very obviously considered a threat to the safety of others. That none have actively committed a terror attack does not preclude those with the means and motive from doing so in the future.

Not a single "terrorist" from the seven countries Trump tried to ban has killed a single American on American soil since 9/11.

Not one.

This is a wonderful fact, an we can only hope that it continues to remain such. But as we are all well aware, loss of life is not a requirement for an event to be classified as a terror attack.

[Breccia]

lol scolds people "for giving into to fear mongering", then does his own fear mongering

I'm pretty sure @Darsithis wasn't seriously suggesting that. And I'm pretty sure you also don't get sarcasm.

[Noxx79]

I am, 100%. Luckily, Muslims are preventable from spreading their Laws, we simply need to oppose the morality of the crazy right at home too. I just don't see the Hypocrisy people like Endus display.

Pence is a barbarian, but Muslims under Sharia are not?

So do something about it, or did you actually vote the barbarian into office? Do something about the real threat instead of the imagined one.

[Breccia]

This is a wonderful fact, an we can only hope that it continues to remain such. But as we are all well aware, loss of life is not a requirement for an event to be classified as a terror attack.

That's true. Injury or property damage is also bad, just not as bad.

But um...I'm pretty sure the injuries and property damage from countries with confirmed kills, also outweigh the list of seven in both of those. I mean, those were two very large buildings in a very crowded city. So, it's still a reason to point out how horrifyingly flawed the list is, if the desire is purely to keep Americans safe from terrorism. Barring actionable intelligence, which the government declined to show any during the 9th circuit court case.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

lol scolds people "for giving into to fear mongering", then does his own fear mongering

If you look up you might just catch a glimpse of the satire that just flew over your head

[Alydael]

That was fact-checked to death already...I realize you refuse to believe the facts, and like Trump insist on lying to people because of simple belief, but your sad beliefs aren't facts.

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Is this a thread about Islam?

How does the Senate Report on Immigration (written mostly by Dems under Obama) not count as facts for you? Did you even read the link?

I know the Dems questioned facts during the election because the facts were all against them so that is the only way they could get nay votes but c'mon, give it up already.

I stand by the Senate's Report on Immigration (which is where the data comes from) as facts, you can question it if you want- that is all you.

[Deleted]

The laws were pretty similar in Christian nations for a very long time. The real question is, how do you get them to change? In the Christian countries, it was due to moderate reformers - a group of people who are just now starting to rise up in the Muslim world. So my argument would be that, while I sadly see no good short term solution, a decent long term solution is to help foster an environment where moderate Muslims can help transform their religion into something much more inline with the rest of what I would call the (mostly) civilized world.

We are not living a very long time ago, Why import those backward values again? They won't reform their religion by assimilation. Do you think Muslims living in the western world is a new thing?

[stabetha]

If you look up you might just catch a glimpse of the satire that just flew over your head

Just because he used satire in his fear mongering doesn't mean it's not fear mongering.

[Deleted]

So do something about it, or did you actually vote the barbarian into office? Do something about the real threat instead of the imagined one.

I don't understand how you people can go "Pence and Muslims want the same thing" and then go "Oh but Muslims are imaginary"

[Noxx79]

We are not living a very long time ago, Why import those backward values again? They won't reform their religion by assimilation. Do you think Muslims living in the western world is a new thing?

You've never actually met an American Muslim, have you?

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I don't understand how you people can go "Pence and Muslims want the same thing" and then go "Oh but Muslims are imaginary"

I see a threat where it exists, not in your mind. The made up threat of sharia law in your mind is closer to what the VP wants than what an American Muslim wants. If the sharia law that you fear is ever to become an actual threat in the us, it will be because of laws weakening the separation of church and state brought forth by the right, rather than the immigration of thoroughly vetted immigrants and refugees.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Just because he used satire in his fear mongering doesn't mean it's not fear mongering.

Kinda does really....since he's not seriously advocating putting christians into camps.

[Endus]

And England has only two women prime ministers, but you still don't see Honor killings as a standard in England do you? Nice false Equivalences.

Honor killings also aren't a standard in the Muslim world, either. So once again, you're lying about Muslims out of fear and hatred.

This is disengenuous because radical Islam doesn't make any distinctions between geopolitics and faith. Sharia governs the entire facet of human existence.

This is bollocks. A lot of people don't draw firm distinctions between politics and their faith. It's by no means unique to extremist Muslims.

Moreover it's systemic, the rest of your bomber examples are lone wolf types and thus not worth basing any policy around other than the general overarching anti terrorist/terrorism laws.

It's not "systemic". That's a straight-up lie. Islamic terrorism is an incredibly tiny fraction of Muslims worldwide. They may be more organized than lone wolf attackers like McVeigh, but they're not more organized than groups like the IRA.