Russia calls Romania a 'clear threat' and Nato outpost for hosting US missile shield

[Marcellus1986]

I see and I appreciate your response to my question.

So Russia isn't the invulnerable behemoth that people like to portray it as? That's certainly news we could hear a lot more often around these parts in Eastern Europe.

You'll find that Elim, Ulmita, and other kremlin for-hire trolls that populate Gen-OT don't know anything at all about what they profess to know.

The sooner you realize this, the sooner your blood pressure will normalize.

[Skroe]

@CostinR

here is a comparison based n what I wrote earlier.

Patriot



S-400 (note: the 9M96E2missile is what is used, not the 48H6E)




Basically they are roughly comparable. For contast, this is Aegis BMD



The SM-3 can travel 2172km and reach an altitude of 1450km. Because it's just a big missile.

And then for further contrast Ground Based Midcourse Defense.




It's a big damn rocket, basically a space vehicle.

And it's all part of the different-solution-for-different-threads plan.

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Russia has nothing comparable to Sm-3 and GMD, which is where most of the Ballistic Missile Defense money goes.

[Deleted]

Well if we fallow Russia's logic about Crimeea then Kaliningrad should go to Germany . . . And oh poor Russia is so bullied by this huge, hostile country ... Romania

The original inhabitants prussia were Slavs, germans were invaders. Also all of east germany was Slavic incl berlin. The Sorbs, world's smallest slavic nation are the only ones left in what's called east germany. After what nazis did, it should have been divided imo between poland, sorbs n czechs. Germany got off easy.

USA felt bullied by poor little Cuba n almost started ww3..

[Flarelaine]

I do not claim nor will I ever claim to represent anyone but myself, but Romania as a whole IS anti-Russia, fanatically pro-US and pro-EU. Funny what decades of communism do.

Also pissed off by corruption. Despite the fact that bashing Romania is a national sport for us, I tip my hat at your string of protests.

[petok]

Russia should just fuck off. Who cares about what they say after Crimea? 'Aggressive strategy on its borders' - when's the last time that happened? WW2?

American 'special forces' in Estonia posing for a photo. The fortress of Ivangorod behind is on the russian territory

Maybe it's time to USA to fuck off? Imagine russian army posing on the american border. You'll die of hysteria

[Slant]

For costin.
S-400 = patriot. S-500 a step between Thaad and pac-3. A one-size fits all solution to missile defense isnt possible or economical. Different solutions are needed for different range missiles AND different regimes of flight. Russia has the lowest end covered, which may protect their ground forces from some tactical missiles launched from an MLRS, but tomahawks and other large missiles would be impossible without systems Russia doesn't own.

Ah, explanatory diagram, my old friend, we meet again... I've seen that one before.

Guys, you need to start challenging Skroe to bring something new to the table. This isn't a joke. Start coming up with new arguments. :P

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American 'special forces' in Estonia posing for a photo. The fortress of Ivangorod behind is on the russian territory

Maybe it's time to USA to fuck off? Imagine russian army posing on the american border. You'll die of hysteria

Yes, because it would mean they're on some tiny forgotten piece of shit rock in the Bering Sea, freezing their asses off and being ignored by the US, because it's a freaking piece of shit rock in the Bering Sea. :P

[petok]

Yes, because it would mean they're on some tiny forgotten piece of shit rock in the Bering Sea, freezing their asses off and being ignored by the US, because it's a freaking piece of shit rock in the Bering Sea. :P

Are you just compared proud Estonia to a 'piece of shit rock'? )

[Slant]

Yes, because it would mean they're on some tiny forgotten piece of shit rock in the Bering Sea, freezing their asses off and being ignored by the US, because it's a freaking piece of shit rock in the Bering Sea. :P

Are you just compared proud Estonia to a 'piece of shit rock'? )

Nope, but the only actual place on the planet where the Russians could possibly pose in front of US soil is exactly those two pieces of shit rocks in the Bering Sea. That's the problem with not having any allies in the world near the US.

[Flarelaine]

The original inhabitants prussia were Slavs, germans were invaders.

Wrong. The oldest recorded inhabitants of Prussia were... drumroll... the Prussians. They were a Baltic tribe who got conquered and assimilated by the Germans and even got their name appropriated.

[Slant]

Wrong. The oldest recorded inhabitants of Prussia were... drumroll... the Prussians. They were a Baltic tribe who got conquered and assimilated by the Germans and even got their name appropriated.

Not only that. They then continued to thrive to a point where they ruled Germany. :P

[caervek]

Ukraine also refused any attempts to inspect their anti-air installations in the region immediately after the incident (but so is the rebel side, just to be fair). So the missile could actually belong to either side.

They didn't refuse, the issue was that their anti-air installations in the region had been captured by the rebels prior to the MH17 shootdown, where do you think the rebels got their Buks? eBay? It was comical however the speed at which the rebels removed all their social media posts about their Buks, shooting down MH17, shooting down another plane a few days before, etc.

[Flarelaine]

Not only that. They then continued to thrive to a point where they ruled Germany. :P

Well, the entity then called Prussia did - the Germanised Old Prussians not so much, seeing how they were mostly rural folk.

[Puremallace]

Normally Romania would have no worries but with Comrade Trump in the white house I am not so sure. Trump is too flimsy on national security issues. No clue how this guy got elected here guys. Americans were so obsessed with trade that they forgot you needed some type of experience or someone like Putin would step all over you.

[Gaaz]

They didn't refuse, the issue was that their anti-air installations in the region had been captured by the rebels prior to the MH17 shootdown, where do you think the rebels got their Buks? eBay? It was comical however the speed at which the rebels removed all their social media posts about their Buks, shooting down MH17, shooting down another plane a few days before, etc.

Nope. They plain refused to allow anyone to inspect their anti-air installations after the incident. OBSE arrived and could do so only weeks after. Both Russian and US intelligence pointed out that there were Buk systems in the region that were under Ukrainian army control at the time of the incident. There were several aerial photos of these installations with exact coordinates and date stamps. More so, Ukraine started relocation of their anti-air defences right after the incident. There was a photo of a Buk system deep inside Ukraine controlled territory with one of the missiles missing on the rack. We do not know 100% who this system belong to. But common logic dictates that rebels are not complete morons as to relocate their extremely valuable and short supplied anti air defence platform to the rear of Ukrainian army.

[caervek]

Nope. They plain refused to allow anyone to inspect their anti-air installations after the incident.

Because those installations were captured by the rebels prior to the incident.

There was a photo of a Buk system deep inside Ukraine controlled territory with one of the missiles missing on the rack.

No it was deep inside rebel territory, and there was more than one photo, multiple were taken as it travelled towards the border with Russia and escaped never to be seen again.

Seriously if you're going to try crazy out there theories you would be much better off claiming that Ukraine shot it down by remote controlling one of the Buks the rebels captured in order to incriminate them (actually possible but incredibly unlikely).

[Gaaz]

Because those installations were captured by the rebels prior to the incident.


No it was deep inside rebel territory, and there was more than one photo, multiple were taken as it travelled towards the border with Russia and escaped never to be seen again.

Seriously if you're going to try crazy out there theories you would be much better off claiming that Ukraine shot it down by remote controlling one of the Buks the rebels captured in order to incriminate them (actually possible but incredibly unlikely).

Not true. There was a news broadcast on one of the ukrainian channels, that showed that a day before the incident Ukraine had active Buk systems in the area, operating in tandem with KUPOL radio location stations. Videos were time stamped. Also, there was a very distinct transport filmed, that is not normally used for Buk relocation. Something to do with track width as far as I know. However, a photo that shows ukrainian Buk being transported on exactly the same platform shows that Ukraine does use them in that fasion.
Also, several days before the incident there was an inspection of one of these anti-air sites by one of the ukrainian generals. That was also filmed and time stamped (obviously).
You should not discount sattelite photos of the area either. We know for sure that Ukraine did not have sattelites in the area shortly prior and after the incident. They could only see the area on 13, 14, and 15th of July 2014. Therefore, it seems logical that in response to Russian photos, Ukraine posted the ones made by a US Keyhole sattelite, that allegedly showed no Buk systems in the area on the 17th. However, what IS strange is that these photos had time stamps clearly redacted. Shadows were not consistent with time stamp and really makes you wonder as to when those photos were actually taken. US did not confirm legitimacy of these photos either. You can google the said proof yourself and note shadows from buildings. It is clearly way past noon, as shadows fall to the north-east. However time stamps say is is just over 11:30. It is very apparent, especially if you compare it to russian imagery pic to pic.
Is it just me, or there are too many coincidences going on? I would not be surprised to find out if both sides were shooting the same plane. It would not be the first incident of this kind in Ukrainian history either. They shot a civilian airliner over Black Sea just over a decade ago during military excercises and destroyed a 9 storey building in one of the cities with a stray rocket during another.

[caervek]

Not true.

Here's the rebels twitter feed after they captured the last of the anti-air installations, looks like a Buk in an air defense base to me. Obviously this was deleted after MH17 went down, along with their posts about using their Buks to shoot down a Ukrainian air force Antonov 26 at high altitude on 14/07/14, and their initial posts about shooting down MH17 (which they originally thought was another Ukrainian air force plane).

[downnola]

You've proof that Putin killed Boris Nemtsov then?
Your analogy would have been relevant, if you took into consideration what happened in Ukraine right before Crimea and that that is a zone of critical Russian interests.
And, you know, states can't invade(or bomb) other states without UN mandate, but that is what happened in Lybia, Iraq.
And on what authority do you think US operates in Syria. Yeah, on the authority that they can do whatever the fuck they want apparently, and no one else cant.

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Don't flatter yourself much, your duplicitous nature may earn you some short term benefits, but you'll die a sad and lonely death.

I think we found Djalil's alternate account.

[procne]

I must say this thread is hilarious. People threatening each other with nukes.

And then it's very sad... so it's happening, people are already accepting the thought of using nukes against other countries.

[Deleted]

I can't say i'm surprised. The only thing that's left is to see if anything actually happens because of this be it economic or other kinds of fuckery.