After ICE arrests, fear spreads among undocumented immigrants

[Deleted]

It is when the entire country is at war...

America is the closest place to at least hold onto some quality of life. Many people flee south but we don't talk about them much because they aren't trying to enter the almighty America.

There is no war in mexico.

[Violent]

Yeah getting rid of the cartels would involve stopping American demand for Mexican drugs.

Reagan tried by making many drugs illegal and increasing the punishments for them, but 30 years later that obviously hasn't worked.

I don't think the average citizen of Mexico fleeing the war is running the country lol.

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That doesn't stop their lives being threatened. That doesn't stop their families lives being threatened...

You should... Who do you think runs a country? ANY country? I can give you a hint. It's NOT the people in "charge".
The back-bone, the blood, sweat, & tears of any nation are on the faces of the everyday-average citizen.
Until they wake up and realize THEY are the Cartels, it won't change.

And I'm sorry you think that way, but the world has enjoyed drugs looong before any Mexican cartels popped up.

[Deianeira]

about time ICE earns their pay.



less mooches on the governments dime, higher pay, more jobs. Whats the downside?

Well if you think that they will raise the wages for the "real Americans" that are gonna fill these jobs you are sorely mistaken. And even if it does they will have to raise the prices of the goods they produce and so there will not be any net gain as you think

[Scathbais]

Thats their problem. They need to rethink their business model rather than break the law hiring illegal criminals to work for peanuts

Very true. They should just raise food prices to offset the increased labor costs. I would much rather pay more for food, knowing that it is going to pay the salaries of taxpaying Americans than to get cheap food and have the government confiscate my wealth and inefficiently dole it out to illegals in various freebie programs.

[prwraith]

They need to follow legal channels if they want citizenship. End of story.

The legal channel needs some major improvements.

And this kind of stalin esque security force raiding homes and taking peoples families and kids away is exactly what america is. This country has become so fucking pathetic. Americans should feel nothing but shame.

[Violent]

The legal channel needs some major improvements.

And this kind of stalin esque security force raiding homes and taking peoples families and kids away is exactly what america is. This country has become so fucking pathetic. Americans should feel nothing but shame.

How come it's always that same tired mentality as, "Oh America, you're older now you shouldn't be doing the same things everyother country has done before. You're the big kid on the block now, and should know better!"

Fuck that, and Fuck you too.

[Tennis]

As it should. They are here illegally.

I'm not denying that. However it doesn't mean we should lose our humanity.

[Violent]

That's not how power works. A person with a gun can control a much larger group.

A person with money can control even more.

Blaming a majority for the actions of what is quite clearly a minority is absurd.



Yes and they have all had their fair share of conflicts. The opium wars etc. This is just a modern ramification of the drug trade.
It doesn't mean that it's something that is impossible to solve or at least curb. But it would require cooperation with the US which would involve moving drug production outside of Mexico. It would require at least decriminalizing the manufacture of narcotics and controlling distribution.

With that logic, Cartels have the Money & the Guns. AND! AND! They're not an official part of the NATION.. THEREFORE, that means it IS indeed the average JoeBlow, trying to get rich & powerful using drugs, money & guns.

You were saying?


Edit: LOL! Bro.. No one buys Mexican dirt weed. America grows our own now, Thank you.
And our Coke comes from SOUTH AMERICA.. Not Mexico.. Bro Mexico is like that cheap Dollar store on the corner NO ONE goes to..
You can say they're selling Coke & Weed.. But really it's just Flour & Oregano.

[Deleted]

We're not at war with Eurasia either...

There is very much a war going on, it's a civil one.

There is no civil war in mexico either.

[Barnabas]

I'm not denying that. However it doesn't mean we should lose our humanity.

the humane thing is to allow them to stay to pay for their second home in mexico or wherever they came from?

[prwraith]

How come it's always that same tired mentality as, "Oh America, you're older now you shouldn't be doing the same things everyother country has done before. You're the big kid on the block now, and should know better!"

Fuck that, and Fuck you too.

We SHOULD know better. We SHOULD be better.

And yet we're acting like the toddler in the playroom despite all the resources at our disposal. You're preaching making the mistakes of the past over and over again. Why would you be willing to settle for being mediocre? When did average become the goal rather than great. when did americans lose the drive to be better than they are to be better than everyone else.

We're settling for second best, the 3rd prettiest girl and not the prom queen. And the saddest part of it all is this is avoidable. We have ALL the information. We KNEW exactly what we were doing and did it anyway.

[Macaquerie]

We should send an army of edgy internet trolls to go combat the cartels, that'll show them.

[The Penguin]

You're not aware that the cartels in Mexico's biggest customers are in the US?

No the US government is not in direct conflict with Mexico, but international politics are rarely that simple.

Source please. I don't deal in worthless opinions or ideologically driven political agendas.

[Barnabas]

The average joe is not a member of the cartels? Yeah, some places in the US are helping to curb this by legalizing weed. Until you start making your own cocaine you're fucked.

They are citizens of Mexico still but not all citizens of Mexico are members of the cartels...

Meanwhile mexico itself is doing jack shit to curb it. It's always the US burden to prevent mexicans from escaping their country or their drug cartel problem or whatever other problem they have. What do they do for us? Charge us a fee when we go on vacation there?

[Violent]

We SHOULD know better. We SHOULD be better.

And yet we're acting like the toddler in the playroom despite all the resources at our disposal. You're preaching making the mistakes of the past over and over again. Why would you be willing to settle for being mediocre? When did average become the goal rather than great. when did americans lose the drive to be better than they are to be better than everyone else.

We're settling for second best, the 3rd prettiest girl and not the prom queen. And the saddest part of it all is this is avoidable. We have ALL the information. We KNEW exactly what we were doing and did it anyway.

Because we've gotten nothing but BS from everyone for thinking we WERE better than everyone else. We used to be, sure.
But now that happened, the rest of the world is trying to grow up to.. By pointing out our own mistakes.

[The Penguin]

Source for common knowledge? Google it.

Fuck it, it took 2 seconds:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...xico-violence/

That is not a war, or an act of conquest or the like.

Or shall we say Mexico is at war with us in turn for not doing what they should as a sovereign country?

No? I thought as much.

[Tennis]

the humane thing is to allow them to stay to pay for their second home in mexico or wherever they came from?

These people are desperate. Barely scraping together a living and yes, paying taxes. Aren't they what we want in our country?

[Deleted]

Then what's it called when armed civilians are fighting the government?

Armed criminals*

It's called organized crime.

[Barnabas]

Yes they are. They're fighting a losing battle.

Oh boy :golfclap: for that. let me know when their government wants to stop being corrupt pieces of fecal matter.

[prwraith]

Because we've gotten nothing but BS from everyone for thinking we WERE better than everyone else. We used to be, sure.
But now that happened, the rest of the world is trying to grow up to.. By pointing out our own mistakes.

And that's exactly the great thing about it. This country used to be hungry for it. We made plenty of mistakes and we fixed plenty of our mistakes. That's how it should be. But now instead of our own mistakes we're making russia and germany's mistakes. Mistakes that WE pointed out to them.