Trump vs. Truth: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

[urasim]

Yes and the proof is in the video you linked. Thanks for that.

I guess words don't have meaning unless you've assigned them meaning. What does rain mean and what does almost rain mean?

[LaserSharkDFB]

rain
noun
noun: rain
1.moisture condensed from the atmosphere that falls visibly in separate drops.

A mist isn't rain. "Almost rain" is good enough for me. Especially since Trump is an idiot with a limited vocabulary.

There's no visible rain drops and people aren't getting wet. I get wetter from the spit when talking to my bucked tooth professor..

Are you kidding? Mist would be *more* visible through a camera than a light rain.

[urasim]

You're trying to define 'visible' as 'visible from a considerable distance through a camera lens'. You're dismissing physical evidence of water on clothes and furniture, as well as the presence of umbrellas/ponchos. You're dismissing the verbal/written statements of people who were there. All to support one man's claim that it wasn't raining.

And I'm supposed to be the insane one.

There's a close up of Trump's speech. He's not wet and not getting wet. You're so delusional.

[Manabomb]

Actually it was raining. With plenty of proof of it.

As for you not actually seeing it personally, fun fact, rain has actually proven difficult to see on film unless in huge amounts and properly shot. This has been known for decades and to actually properly get shots of rain in many old videos they actually put in a little color die into the water they sprayed out to simulate rain to give enough contrast to it that it actually would show up on the film.

Also, of all the things for you to try and claim was false, you chose this?

Which is why you report him for trolling and flaming along with all his other alternative facts cronies and we move on.

That's all alternative facts are, you know. Trolling.

[Ryken]

There's a close up of Trump's speech. He's not wet and not getting wet. You're so delusional.

Explain his coat at 1:45 in your own link. Did he get a bottle of water and splash it on himself on the brief cutaways?

[urasim]

Actually it was raining. With plenty of proof of it.

As for you not actually seeing it personally, fun fact, rain has actually proven difficult to see on film unless in huge amounts and properly shot. This has been known for decades and to actually properly get shots of rain in many old videos they actually put in a little color die into the water they sprayed out to simulate rain to give enough contrast to it that it actually would show up on the film.

Also, of all the things for you to try and claim was false, you chose this?

I'm making a fucking point that these people will lie and spin their own narrative. I didn't watch the entire video, but there's proof there's no rain. Look at the Trump. He's not even remotely wet. They said it started raining when he started speaking. Where did it rain and where's the proof? A tiny amount of water doesn't equate rain. It means it sprinkled a little bit... Why are we ditching dictionary definitions all of the sudden?

[Fugus]

Which is why you report him for trolling and flaming along with all his other alternative facts cronies and we move on.

That's all alternative facts are, you know. Trolling.

Figured he was, but honestly not sure as that level of self-delusion at times can actually be real. I know this because I have some Trump supporting family members and their ability to ignore the parts they don't like even when shoved directly in their face I can only describe as legendary with them actually believing what they are saying and handwaving away the parts they don't like as lies even with pictures and videos.

So overall, not entirely sure if this guy is just this level of deluded on the subject or trolling outright.

[urasim]

Explain his coat at 1:45 in your own link. Did he get a bottle of water and splash it on himself on the brief cutaways?

You just proved Trump right and John wrong. I don't even have to do any work. Everyone seems so willing to prove me wrong, but in reality they are only proving me right.

[zenkai]

But you aren't actually arguing your point. "It will never happen" is not the same as arguing that a popular vote inhibits a 3rd party. We have plenty of examples of countries that do use the popular vote, and have multiple political parties. I fully understand that we will likely always have the EC, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. It promotes the two-party system, because one only need beat a single other party in order to get all the votes within a state. Can you identify any country that uses an electoral college, and has multiple parties in power?

As for the EC itself, it is nothing more than affirmative action. It is forced inequality, so that people will feel more special. I'll take personal freedoms and equality over states' rights any day of the week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_...ems_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-...he-post_voting

To a greater extent than many other electoral methods, the first-past-the-post method encourages tactical voting. Voters have an incentive to vote for one of candidates they predict are most likely to win, even if they would prefer neither candidate to win. A vote for any other candidate is considered to be likely wasted and bear no impact or benefit on the final result they would prefer.

[alexw]

I guess words don't have meaning unless you've assigned them meaning. What does rain mean and what does almost rain mean?

Lol. Seriously? You are trying to "alternative fact" what rain is?

Rain is rain is rain. Rain is droplets of water that falls from the sky. Go look at the video as I suggested at 0.40 and 1.40. You can see visible droplets of water which have fallen onto Trump's coat. If you pay careful attention you can even see individual droplets hit his coat. That is rain and he's standing outside in it.

[Noxx79]

You just proved Trump right and John wrong. I don't even have to do any work. Everyone seems so willing to prove me wrong, but in reality they are only proving me right.

Are you actually insane?
And do you have any other comment about trumps multiple lies, or are you going to harp on the least consequential?

[Fugus]

I'm making a fucking point that these people will lie and spin their own narrative. I didn't watch the entire video, but there's proof there's no rain. Look at the Trump. He's not even remotely wet. They said it started raining when he started speaking. Where did it rain and where's the proof? A tiny amount of water doesn't equate rain. It means it sprinkled a little bit... Why are we ditching dictionary definitions all of the sudden?

Your point that these people lie, that is why you fact check everything you can regardless of source and not accept stuff blindly which has been a real problem for people recently where the stuff they agree with they trust implicitly while the stuff they don't want to believe they consider "Fake News" with the biggest offenders of this I have seen being those who fall over themselves to believe the fake stuff while shutting out all the real stuff because it conveys a truth they don't want to believe.

And for the rain, they have proof when you look at the videos on the surfaces things show up on.

Here, his speech where you can actually see the rain, took me about 10 seconds to google. And having the rain not show up on cloths like that is common and one of the benefits of wearing dark colors clothing that doesn't absorb water too much.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...tion-2017.html

[LaserSharkDFB]

Just ignore urasim and his attempts to defend Dear Leader against mean ol' reality. He's impervious to facts and it isn't getting us anywhere.

[urasim]

Figured he was, but honestly not sure as that level of self-delusion at times can actually be real. I know this because I have some Trump supporting family members and their ability to ignore the parts they don't like even when shoved directly in their face I can only describe as legendary with them actually believing what they are saying and handwaving away the parts they don't like as lies even with pictures and videos.

So overall, not entirely sure if this guy is just this level of deluded on the subject or trolling outright.

Why are you so willing to label me a troll? Do you really not see what I was saying?

Trump said it "was almost raining". Which is was. There are several people that have pointed this out(thanks, BTW). John said he was lying about almost raining. He said "we have a president that can stand in the rain and say it's sunny". Then people in this thread argued for John saying the event was raining. Which is partly was Trump would say "almost raining". Then there was people saying my argument revolved around it being sunny or some shit. This proves me right that people can't have an honest discussion. You can't even have an honest discussion. You're first instinct was to label someone a troll, and you think I'm the problem? I think you guys need to lose your biases.

[schwarzkopf]

He's a person that people mindlessly follow and spewing his lies back at us.

Ok - so you did miss the point. Which is odd, because you said you didn't.

Were you lying, or mistaken ?

[cubby]

Had Jon Stewart not retired i honestly think he mightve tipped the election against Trump.

That new guy who i honestly dont know the name of has sunk his show and you cant question how influential Jon Stewart was. Jon Oliver is truly his protege and had he taken over his show he wouldve been way more influential.

Maybe John Stewart will run in 2020.

[Noxx79]

Why are you so willing to label me a troll? Do you really not see what I was saying?

Trump said it "was almost raining". Which is was. There are several people that have pointed this out(thanks, BTW). John said he was lying about almost raining. He said "we have a president that can stand in the rain and say it's sunny". Then people in this thread argued for John saying the event was raining. Which is partly was Trump would say "almost raining". Then there was people saying my argument revolved around it being sunny or some shit. This proves me right that people can't have an honest discussion. You can't even have an honest discussion. You're first instinct was to label someone a troll, and you think I'm the problem? I think you guys need to lose your biases.

Are you going to comment about trumps other lies or are you going to persist in your alternative reality where it somehow didn't rain when rained?

[Manabomb]

Figured he was, but honestly not sure as that level of self-delusion at times can actually be real. I know this because I have some Trump supporting family members and their ability to ignore the parts they don't like even when shoved directly in their face I can only describe as legendary with them actually believing what they are saying and handwaving away the parts they don't like as lies even with pictures and videos.

So overall, not entirely sure if this guy is just this level of deluded on the subject or trolling outright.

What's the difference between them? They both result in the exact same outcome, misinformation to be spread.

I wager that if any of the moderators on this website had any stones, they would enact a alternative facts=trolling measure.

Until then I'll just keep reporting these Trumpites to oblivion myself. Gives them one less outlet to spout their nonsense.

[alexw]

Are you actually insane?
And do you have any other comment about trumps multiple lies, or are you going to harp on the least consequential?

Perhaps not insane but certainly not sane. Its obvious its raining. If you deny the reality of what your own eyes are seeing he is doing you cannot be "sane" as we think of such things.

[urasim]

Just ignore urasim and his attempts to defend Dear Leader against mean ol' reality. He's impervious to facts and it isn't getting us anywhere.

I'm not defending him. I'm calling John and people like you out. I think Trump is a retard. I'd never vote for him, and I've never supported him.