After ICE arrests, fear spreads among undocumented immigrants

[Hooked]

They should start arresting them at home depot, there are always a ton of them standing around in the parking lots in California.

[schwarzkopf]

WTF are you even on about? How in the hell do you come up with 20 years and 600 Billion dollars?

From reality - that area of the world commonly overlooked by Trump supporters.

You should try it some time - it is AMAZING.

I admit, the estimates are very conservative and the likely outcome would be far more expensive and time consuming.

Hints - legal costs, transport costs, food, accommodation, guards, administration for all 11 million.

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They should start arresting them at home depot, there are always a ton of them standing around in the parking lots in California.

Indeed, and we can reliably identify illegal aliens by the colour of their skin ... it has worked so well before.

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That's like saying if a bunch of people moved into your house while you're at the store and have good legal standing they should be given the opportunity to apply to stay in your house and you can't kick them out.

House <> country ... just in case you don't have access to a dictionary yourself.

House is a private space, a country is a shared space. So your analogy fails.

[Hooked]

ok here's a fact for you

undocumented immigrants commit less violent crimes per capita than US citizens do

and contrary to the fantasies of our president, crime rates have been declining in this country for decades. there is no "crime epidemic"

the right does not deal in facts, that is a load of nonsense. you people deal in unfounded fear and hysteria

universal healthcare is proven to be cheaper and more effective than the capitalist model yet you people are terrified of it because you have an emotional response to the word socialism. the right is the side of emotions and fear not the side of facts and knowledge.

you people are so averse to facts that you have convinced yourselves that all of science and academia are engaged in some kind of grand conspiracy... it would be laughable if it weren't so damn pathetic how delusional and completely divorced from factual reality the right wing has become

They also report less crime because guess what?, they are illegal and most of the people they associate with are also illegal. Illegals make up 30% of our prison population so they must be doing some crimes.

[Spiffums]

From reality - that area of the world commonly overlooked by Trump supporters.

You should try it some time - it is AMAZING.

I admit, the estimates are very conservative and the likely outcome would be far more expensive and time consuming.

Hints - legal costs, transport costs, food, accommodation, guards, administration for all 11 million.

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Indeed, and we can reliably identify illegal aliens by the colour of their skin ... it has worked so well before.

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House <> country ... just in case you don't have access to a dictionary yourself.

House is a private space, a country is a shared space. So your analogy fails.

Same difference it's somewhere not everyone is allowed to go. But by all means go into Mexico illegally and see what happens to ya.

[Misdreavus]

Seems legit...
Let's just change the laws so criminals are not criminals anymore.

Yes we should brand them "criminals" because they came to a country to survive from horrible living conditions and so that they can give their children a better life and future. Seems legit...

[the game]

Yes we should brand them "criminals" because they came to a country to survive from horrible living conditions and so that they can give their children a better life and future. Seems legit...

If only we had a legal way to allow people from other countries to gain citizenship in the US

[Kallisto]

If only we had a legal way to allow people from other countries to gain citizenship in the US

You don't, not for people in those positions. The legal way is too time consuming, expensive and these people would likely be dead before their cases were heard.

[schwarzkopf]

But by all means go into Mexico illegally and see what happens to ya.

If your aspirations for a country are Mexico ... then that's fine. But if your aspirations are to the US constitution - then you need to check your racist feelings and let rationality seep in.

[Cthulhu 2020]

it's all pretty simple. just don't break the law. why is that hard?

i'm sitting here right now. i'm not breaking any laws. i don't feel the need to break any laws, and i wouldn't if pressed to do so. why can you just not break laws? you won't feel fear if you don't break laws.

Crossing the border without reporting to border control or customs is a misdemeanor. Jay walking, speeding, changing lanes without using a signal, and other minor things you probably do every day are also misdemeanors.

Guess it's time you got locked up and deported for going 5 miles over the speed limit, eh?

[skitzin]

You don't, not for people in those positions. The legal way is too time consuming, expensive and these people would likely be dead before their cases were heard.

Inconvenience is not an excuse or a valid reason. There are plenty of people who go through the legitimate channels, jump through all the hoops in order to come to the US. Why should these special snowflakes get preference over others just because they find it inconvenient?

[purebalance]

So you want to throw out hard working residents who helped to rebuild after hurricane Sandy?

So if a hard working citizen didn't pay taxes it would be ok and they should be excused?

[schwarzkopf]

Why should these special snowflakes get preference over others just because they find it inconvenient?

Because the US can't afford the time and money required to get those snowflakes back to whence they came. It is that simple.

Focus everyone - on the actual problem for a moment.

Be rational.

[purebalance]

You don't, not for people in those positions. The legal way is too time consuming, expensive and these people would likely be dead before their cases were heard.

Weird that there aren't other countries they could go to.... oh wait there are.

[shoegazing]

I wonder how many of these "it's about respect for the rule of law!!111" types would have different feelings about following every single law no matter what if legislation were passed restricting their right to own firearms... what a bunch of hypocrites!

[Seranthor]

I wonder how many of these "it's about respect for the rule of law!!111" types would have different feelings about following every single law no matter what if legislation were passed restricting their right to own firearms... what a bunch of hypocrites!

It is a pretty simple answer. Instead of maligning an entire group of people because of how you 'think' they might react, pass the laws and find out.

[shoegazing]

It is a pretty simple answer. Instead of maligning an entire group of people because of how you 'think' they might react, pass the laws and find out.

I have no interest in passing gun control legislation, I am simply interested in why so many people have so much respect for the rule of law... until they run into a law that they do not agree with.

"But Shoegazing, if we didn't have rule of law then everyone would just run around raping and murdering each other!"

Oh, is the law against killing the only reason that you are not a murder?

"Because it's the law" is such a shit argument. Japanese internment was the law during WWII and slavery was the law for century -- does that make those things morally acceptable?

[MacMathan]

Good! They aren't "undocumented" they are here ILLEGALLY for crying out loud. We already have one of the easiest paths to citizenship there is. Follow it! Oh wait, these people don't want to be citizens. As far as I am concerned they should all be deported IMMEDIATELY, they have no "rights" and they damn sure are not protected by the constitution! Kids, young, old, working or sponging off the government makes no difference. Regardless of circumstances, if you are not here legally and learning English and becoming a productive member of America and assimilating into it's value and culture, get the hell out and stay the hell out.

[Seranthor]

I have no interest in passing gun control legislation, I am simply interested in why so many people have so much respect for the rule of law... until they run into a law that they do not agree with.

"But Shoegazing, if we didn't have rule of law then everyone would just run around raping and murdering each other!"

Oh, is the law against killing the only reason that you are not a murder?

"Because it's the law" is such a shit argument. Japanese internment was the law during WWII and slavery was the law for century -- does that make those things morally acceptable?

so you'd rather engage in what-ifs, and other assorted distractions... got it... you are dismissed.

[shoegazing]

so you'd rather engage in what-ifs, and other assorted distractions... got it... you are dismissed.

you have terrible reading comprehension

the point of my post is to call out the hypocrisy of those that claim to support the rule of law, but only when it is convenient to them personally

of course I suspect that you understood this and are merely playing stupid, so let me say it again for you: "because it's the law" is one of the worst arguments one could make. slavery was the law in the united states, and slavery was wrong. therefore laws are not infallible moral absolutes.

[Orlong]

It'd like to know which person has never torrented a movie or song and stops at every single stop sign.

Ive never torrented anything and I always stop at stop signs

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The damage it would cause to innocent US citizens in the process would be disastrous. You would spend 20 years and $600billion on these 'criminals' instead of spending that kind of resource on your own citizens.

That's just wrong.

Or we could stop giving foreign aid. We spend well more than 600 billion on foreign aid over 20 years that we could use instead