Old God Lore Ruined?

[TheFirstOnes]

Something to consider here:

Well, Aman'thul Ripped y'sharrj from the ground, and he's Now dead...lol...

Sargeras can bust Planets, and he's a "God". The Void Lords are considered to be the "Outer Gods" of Wow....so....yeah...

[purebalance]

i would still consider a living heart to be the old god being alive as hes still very much able to corrupt and do shit , but confirmed yash is now completly dead, nothing is left and his corruption will fade

He was always completely dead. From the second we learned about him in MoP the devs said he was already dead as dead can be.

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The Old Gods are dead. The sources on this are numerous. But if you want the latest one, the Priest dagger claims it. And it knows what it's talking about, because it's quite implied that this thing is the remnant of a fifth Old God. But yes, the dagger makes also makes it clear that it always was destined for there to be one Old God left. Old Gods don't corrupt worlds together. They're not team players. They wage war till one remains, which then grows out to consume the entire world.

Yogg-Saron and C'thun aren't just dead. They needed to die. And now N'Zoth can mature into a world-wide terror.

There's two reasons people think the Old Gods are still alive.
1. The Old Gods don't rest peacefully. The Sha. The voices of C'thun. The corruption of N'Zoth. Old Gods just refuse to die gracefully. Y'shaarj's heart was still speaking, giving visions, spawning horrors, spreading corruption.
2. Old lore states that the Titans couldn't kill them, and it wasn't clarified too well why that was. So people theorized that they were unkillable. Or that the world would end if they ever died. We now know the Titans couldn't kill them, because the Titans killing them would be unsubtle, and would leave a potentially fatal wound on Azeroth.

Those two reasons may be stuck in people's head. But that doesn't mean they ended up being true. It is just not the case.

It's good that C'thun and N'Zoth are dead. Now we get to face one god. A free one. With power far beyond an immature Old God, in competition with others. N'Zoth is the Supreme.

Nowhere does it say Nzoth increased in power due to the others dying. Hell Yogg was more powerful than him. If anything his having to hide has been a hinderance as well as working with a megalomaniac who used to have massive power and is now a shadow of what she once was that would probably backstab him for power at every chance considering she isn't under his thrall to our knowledge(merely indebted since he saved her from becoming either dead or a wretched).

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Finaly someone said that. But i think Yash is perma dead. Yogg and Cthun are alive.

They aren't.

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The old gods are attack dogs shat out by the Void Lords so it isn't surprising that they didn't match the strength of Aman'thul or Sargeras.

Given that the titans in their full size is as big if not bigger than an entire planet it would also be stupid if the old gods were more powerful.

They're more like sperm cells meant to impregnate the planet into something awful.

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Yogg is still alive, we see this in the pre-legion questline where we go to Ulduar. Y'Shaarj and C'thun were almost resurrected, so they aren't permanently dead like mortal characters.

Cthun was attempted to be resurrected, Y'Shaarj was never almost resurrected.

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You don't know that for sure, so don't state it as fact. Its misleading.

Yes we do considering Y'Shaarj was able to do the same while being dead as dead can be and the fact that they said he is dead as dead can be.

[Scottyjscizzle]

Really ruins them for me. Originally the Old Gods were considered to be the strongest beings at full power due to speculation. Yes Sargeras was considered the final boss of WoW, but the fact that these guys had an ever lingering presence and threat to always return was always such a threat. Now we got these random Void Lords that just seem a tad boring.

When did anyone speculate they were more powerful than the titans? For as long as I can remember the titans kicked their asses and only left them alive because removing them would kill the planet.

[TrioMax]

Titans wasnt able to kill old gods, because they was linked to azeroth to mach. Whats the reason why they build prisons. So how can some groups of mortal destroy old gods, without hurting Azeroth? This is bullshit.

[Fat Mac]

Look. As all the things based on the creations of Lovecraft.

the old gods in wow lore are basically the great old ones of lovecraft lore .. there could always be something bigger and badder out there. Outer gods maybe.

[Benomatic]

Even the shadow priest dagger says N'zoth is the only one alive.

Quote? proof please.

[Caerule]

Nowhere does it say Nzoth increased in power due to the others dying. Hell Yogg was more powerful than him. If anything his having to hide has been a hinderance as well as working with a megalomaniac who used to have massive power and is now a shadow of what she once was that would probably backstab him for power at every chance considering she isn't under his thrall to our knowledge(merely indebted since he saved her from becoming either dead or a wretched).

Yeah, N'Zoth used to be the weakest. And he hasn't had to hide. His complex sank during the Sundering 10.000 years ago. And you... think he is weak because he has Azshara to contend with?

Okay, throw away all you know about the Old Gods for a moment, and forget their established power levels. Their power levels are bullshit, because unlike Aman'thul's or Archimonde's or Gul'dan's, an Old God's power isn't static. They are a disease. They arrive as an impact of a lump of flesh. What they become, is this:


That, is a Mature Old God. Now, can an Old God that has freshly landed hurl the world into darkness and consume it? No. It's a lump of flesh. Can an Old God that holds 1/4th of the world do it? No. An Old God grows into this giant creature when it has no more competition. Guess what N'Zoth is busy becoming? We see his tendrils in Kalimdor. We see them on Northrend. Both places not originally in his domain.

Everything we saw in Cataclysm had N'Zoth behind it. He was the one holding the strings of Deathwing, and the Twilight Hammer. His forces joined the Naga in Vash'jir. The Emerald Nightmare was his tool. In short, so far we've seen N'Zoth do far more impressive things than the other Old Gods. And he sure isn't stopping his growth. And he did all this with his prison still holding him back. But not for much longer. A world-spanning unconstrained N'Zoth will make what we've faced before, child's play. If the Priest Dagger is to be believed, the final Old God standing becomes the world's devourer.

[TheFirstOnes]

This part of your post is false. The heart WAS dead, entirely, and locked away in the heart of Pandaria - When Garrosh plunged it into the pools of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, it revived the heart and corrupted the land around it.

The old god himself did not revive, but the heart along with some of Y'shraaj's power did come back to life, which we then conquered through the Sha of Pride encounter. After that encounter, the heart was re-killed.

Hence why I said "Barely", It was dead, but the presence was still there...

[TheFirstOnes]

The presence wasn't there. That is false. The heart was dead, entirely, until it was placed in the pools of the vale.

The 'presence' on Pandaria was the curse of ripping the old god out of Azeroth. It killed Y'shraaj, but his death cursed the land - His heart was dead, entirely. His corruption however, not tied to the heart whatsoever, lingers even now.

Well, fuck me man, i'm an idiot. Thank you for telling me that. :/

[purebalance]

Yeah, N'Zoth used to be the weakest. And he hasn't had to hide. His complex sank during the Sundering 10.000 years ago. And you... think he is weak because he has Azshara to contend with?

Okay, throw away all you know about the Old Gods for a moment, and forget their established power levels. Their power levels are bullshit, because unlike Aman'thul's or Archimonde's or Gul'dan's, an Old God's power isn't static. They are a disease. They arrive as an impact of a lump of flesh. What they become, is this:


That, is a Mature Old God. Now, can an Old God that has freshly landed hurl the world into darkness and consume it? No. It's a lump of flesh. Can an Old God that holds 1/4th of the world do it? No. An Old God grows into this giant creature when it has no more competition. Guess what N'Zoth is busy becoming? We see his tendrils in Kalimdor. We see them on Northrend. Both places not originally in his domain.

Everything we saw in Cataclysm had N'Zoth behind it. He was the one holding the strings of Deathwing, and the Twilight Hammer. His forces joined the Naga in Vash'jir. The Emerald Nightmare was his tool. In short, so far we've seen N'Zoth do far more impressive things than the other Old Gods. And he sure isn't stopping his growth. And he did all this with his prison still holding him back. But not for much longer. A world-spanning unconstrained N'Zoth will make what we've faced before, child's play. If the Priest Dagger is to be believed, the final Old God standing becomes the world's devourer.

That is a depiction. And way to head canon that anything happened to his prison. Show me a source of the prison part. I'd also like to see his tendrils in those places you listed.

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Shadow Priest artifact actually proves you wrong anyway as it says he's still in his prison but trying to get out.

[Caerule]

The presence wasn't there. That is false. The heart was dead, entirely, until it was placed in the pools of the vale.

The 'presence' on Pandaria was the curse of ripping the old god out of Azeroth. It killed Y'shraaj, but his death cursed the land - His heart was dead, entirely. His corruption however, not tied to the heart whatsoever, lingers even now.

Actually he died at where the Well of Eternity/Maelstrom, where the Titan Aman'thul tore him from the ground. Rather than a tick, though. He was a tentacled worm that had buried deep, so Aman'thul ripped out a lot bigger thing then expected. It was torn apart in the violent act, with many organs landing on Pandaria. That, is what cursed the land. The heart, being the strongest organ, was sealed up for study. It was definitely connected to the Sha. And new ones no longer spawn now that its gone.

[munkeyinorbit]

i would still consider a living heart to be the old god being alive as hes still very much able to corrupt and do shit , but confirmed yash is now completly dead, nothing is left and his corruption will fade

consider all you like. you are wrong.

[FelPlague]

consider all you like. you are wrong.

its semantics, but ok

[Fang7986]

Yes, their mystery is gone and they have been retconed. Previuosly they were the strongest entities we knew of now they are 4th tier.

I don't like this Marvel DC type universe they are going for, with established cosmics and no mystery. It's also moving away from fantasy genre. Traveling tru space with magic - that's ok, traveling with space ships - not ok for Warcraft.

what if it's on space ships powered by magic?

[Caerule]

That is a depiction. And way to head canon that anything happened to his prison. Show me a source of the prison part. I'd also like to see his tendrils in those places you listed.

That's not a depiction. That's an ingame image. There's other planets in the background as well. It's a screenshot I took myself during the Star Augur Etraeus fight. He shows you these planets specifically, as a portent of what's in store for Azeroth.

It's the Priest Dagger that mentions N'Zoth appears to be breaking free.

All Old God activity since Yogg-Saron died is N'Zoth. You can see his tendrils in Black-Fathom Deep and Stonetalon Peak in Kalimdor. And arguably Southern Barrens, but those shadowy things may be from the Nightmare that seeps into the real world. There's the flesh maw in the Twilight Highlands, and those during the Siege of Dragonblight. He is definitely extending his reach world-wide, into territories that previously belonged to other Gods.

[thatmikeguy]

The void has the power to send old gods everywhere. That's some crazy power if you think about it, and the kinds of old god numbers that would require. It helps to have a face that represents the unknown. The ultimate powers are always best partally hidden. Was/is there an old god home world?

I also think about the dead titans, do they just vanish? If Azeroth is dead, wouldn't other titans blood be powerful also wherever it is?

[Friendlyimmolation]

The void has the power to send old gods everywhere. That's some crazy power if you think about it, and the kinds of old god numbers that would require. It helps to have a face that represents the unknown. The ultimate powers are always best partally hidden. Was/is there an old god home world?

outside of the physical universe, where the void lords form them and launch them at planets.

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The void has the power to send old gods everywhere. That's some crazy power if you think about it, and the kinds of old god numbers that would require. It helps to have a face that represents the unknown. The ultimate powers are always best partally hidden. Was/is there an old god home world?

I also think about the dead titans, do they just vanish? If Azeroth is dead, wouldn't other titans blood be powerful also wherever it is?

edit: I like to assume the dead titans bodies are just floating in space, mutilated titan bodies bigger than planets is a cool image.

[Aquamonkey]

edit: I like to assume the dead titans bodies are just floating in space, mutilated titan bodies bigger than planets is a cool image.

What if their corpses were corrupted by the void lords/OGs? They're roaming around as infected husks, but not as powerful as a true dark titan.

[Caerule]

What if their corpses were corrupted by the void lords/OGs? They're roaming around as infected husks, but not as powerful as a true dark titan.

And now I will have nightmares of planet-sized zombies. So much for those giant skeletons on Draenor being the scariest things to see reanimated. Thanks for the terrors, Aquamonkey.. D:

[Traveler Voltin]

Quote? proof please.

Xal'atath whispers: It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Xal%27atath...e_Black_Empire