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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Brother I hope so. They will of course try to distance themselves as much as they can from this administration. They need to be tied to trump at every opportunity.
    The GOP could potentially save themselves in 2018 by getting out in front of this and getting Trump out of there asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Pence is at least presidential looking/acting. Crazy as a shithouse rat (electric shock therapy for gay couples - a bill he sponsored), but manageable and not embarrassing to the country.

    And the GOP needs to think about 2018 - they could lose everything if Trump takes them down with him.
    Republicans only have 9 seats up in 2018, and it doesn't seem likely to make gains there. And counting on the gerrymandered house to swing is possible but not favorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Yeah, can we get off from the source shaming of the various sources linked in this thread? It has nothing to do with the topic
    Is that not what news has become?

    Thanks to the various different media outlets pushing their bias agenda (its on both sides) we can't simply take one source as fact anymore.

    You basically have to be a paranoid conspiracist to get even remotely close to the truth anymore.

    If a source is available to an article we have to go to that source and read the entire thing... just to find out that while what the article said is technically true... it was taken completely out of context. (not talking about anything specific) That of course is assuming source material is available at all. At which point you need to find an article from your political opponents camp or polar opposite and read/listen to them make the same half-truths, so that we can decide somewhere in the middle is where the modicum of truth lies.

    Its exhausting really... keeping up with current events has never been so difficult. Yay for 2017 [insert shit emoticon]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Wolf View Post
    With Pense it'll be like any other republican president pretty much.
    See heres the thing. I get why you guys are saying pence is arguable better. That makes sense. Its just far to dangerous to normalize someone like pence. Just like any old republican really downplays how awful hus genda will be and realistically im not sure itll be all that different from what weve seen already. Itll be handled more competently sure. Not sure thats a winning criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    And of course, there's no chance this begins and ends with Flynn. This is going to be...crazy.
    Its very unlikely. He was in no position to make the promises he made with regard to sanctions as he would never have the power, personally, to keep those promises. He could only make them if he was told that the sanctions would be lifted by others in the Trump administration, and likely Trump himself. That then begs the question was he told by Trump to make those promises?

    Also, notably, the Trump dossier seems to be proving correct, that there have been consistent contacts between the Trump team and the Putin inner circle. That then leads credence to the rest of the dossier. For example the claims that Putin has Kompromat material on Trump. After all he did seemingly proposition one of the contestants at the Miss Universe competition he hosted in Russia, so its no stretch to imagine him getting his end away with someone or other there and Russian intelligence taping them in the act.

    This story has legs and its going to continue to run no matter how much Trump does not want it to. If he seeks to block it or sit on information as he did with Flynn (you'll note that he on purpose kept Mike Pence in the dark), the "blob" will simply leak it to a credible news outlet such as they did here with the Washington Post. They are not going to let the white house be occupied by someone compromised by Russia, and if that is what they determine Trump to be, then one way or another they will let everyone know that truth.
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    If nothing else, this thread is a good excuse to listen to some Fugazi...

    https://youtu.be/cMOAXm94VWo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeones View Post
    Republicans only have 9 seats up in 2018, and it doesn't seem likely to make gains there. And counting on the gerrymandered house to swing is possible but not favorable.
    Yeah, that certainly sits well for them - they got very lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The GOP could potentially save themselves in 2018 by getting out in front of this and getting Trump out of there asap.
    Then of course its up to the opposition to tie donald trump to the republicans. I remember the bushes used to have a trick. They would constantly use 9/11 and iraq in sentencea together to associate the two. Not sure why the dems cant do the same. Trump and republicans.

    Of course the opposition is weak and feckless but if they grow a pair it could work.
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    Trump supporters... YOU made this possible. This is _your_ fault. Look at that headline. That is the picture of dysfunction. How is "making America great" going for you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    I agree. At this point outright treason is actually on the table from the actions of Flynn. God only knows what those idiots are doing now that we gave them the keys to the kingdom.

    Pence, while crazy, acts and behaves Presidential - and would be able to carry on fairly well - evangelical agenda or not.

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    This is going to get really, really bad. Like way past "I told you so" bad.
    It's going to get worse, before it gets good I'll give you that. But, at the same time there might just be a light at the end of the dark tunnel. This might be the one, giant kick in the ass this country needs in order for both sides to meet in the middle again, and function as a government should.

    Trump is the representative of the GOP or the far-right wing of the government. Once he's ousted, and publicly humiliated, there's a good chance the far right will be put down like the rabid mutt should be. Afterall, there is always a scapegoat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partysaurus Rex View Post
    You basically have to be a paranoid conspiracist to get even remotely close to the truth anymore.
    The irony of paranoid conspiracy theory being treated as news. Am still waiting for those FEMA camps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    Even the very idea of #MAGA is a nonsense. America has been nothing other than great for, what, a century or so?
    It became very clear what MAGA was when they did a lot of interviews with middle Americans. A lot of them had lost their jobs and MAGA was just a catch-all phrase for "Hey, you have a problem? Does your life suck? I'll fix it and make it good again!"

    Sane people realized it was just a pile of bullshit being sold by a con-artist salesman. Others ate it hook, line and sinker believing Trump would fix all of their problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Then of course its up to the opposition to tie donald trump to the republicans. I remember the bushes used to have a trick. They would constantly use 9/11 and iraq in sentencea together to associate the two. Not sure why the dems cant do the same. Trump and republicans.

    Of course the opposition is weak and feckless but if they grow a pair it could work.
    Totally agree - and I think the Dems can find some heavy hitters to help them both recover and get back ahead in the game. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade Wolf View Post
    With Pense it'll be like any other republican president pretty much.
    Which at this point, isn't as bad as it sounded in 2008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boomgoesthedynamite View Post
    It's going to get worse, before it gets good I'll give you that. But, at the same time there might just be a light at the end of the dark tunnel. This might be the one, giant kick in the ass this country needs in order for both sides to meet in the middle again, and function as a government should.

    Trump is the representative of the GOP or the far-right wing of the government. Once he's ousted, and publicly humiliated, there's a good chance the far right will be put down like the rabid mutt should be. Afterall, there is always a scapegoat.
    This is a very good point - and one that, if it happened in any form, would be fantastic. That kind of healing could be wonderful for the country as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tumaras View Post
    Well in addition there is some talk that Flynn also received monetary payments from Russia. I'm not sure how much but still.

    So to kind of summarize what makes it a big deal and why there's a lot of smoke and questions pointing to more seriousness...

    - Flynn talking with the Russians about sanctions (likely discussing sanction lifting once Trump goes into office, but in exchange for what - repaying for their election help?), especially before Trump was sworn in violates the Logan act. And apparently at some point in the past he received money from Russia.
    - Flynn then lied about it, at least to Pence.
    - Trump has known about it since the 9th, and had not made it public. That raises the whole Russian election connection question again.
    - Why was US intelligence wiretapping Flynn? It insinuates that they already had other evidence to investigate him beyond what public info we have.
    - There have been leaks of intelligence withholding info from the White House because they have been seeing info shared with them getting back to Russia.

    The million dollar question still goes back to how deep it goes in the connection between Russia and Trump. Was Flynn acting alone which seems very unlikely, or is there a connection like Iran-Contra with Flynn playing the intermediate like Oliver North did as far as the Russian influence in elections with Trump? And even if Flynn acted alone, why was apparently the White House covering it up (or at least keeping it quiet). I don't know if it can be proven, but if it comes out that Trump through Flynn was coordinating election influence in 2016 with the Russians in order to win, in exchange for favorable policy changes such as sanction lifting after Trump went into office...that would really, really, make Watergate look tiny and would be very much impeachable.
    For as much as conservatives and their screeching posse laughed about "Russian hackers" and Trump having Russian ties and bribes...

    We sure do find ourselves coming back to the Trump administration having friendly ties with Russia over and over and over and over...

    You'd think these people would start to realize that maybe, just maybe, there's a possibility that Trump and his crew negotiated with Russia to lift sanctions in exchange for hacking Hillary and helping Trump win the election?

    Oh but nope, that's all FAKE NEWS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    This has truly ruined House of Cards for me. Nothing can beat THIS complete shitshow.
    Right? How could it ever?

    And this is still Trump's first month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Which at this point, isn't as bad as it sounded in 2008.
    Funny how drastically that can change after less than a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Which at this point, isn't as bad as it sounded in 2008.
    And thats a real problem. Because in all honesty how many policy goals do you think will change under pense? Do you think the repeal of the aca will stop? How bout environmental policy? Yea okay pence isnt a total incompetent but his america and the donalds are not all that different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Batman View Post
    It became very clear what MAGA was when they did a lot of interviews with middle Americans. A lot of them had lost their jobs and MAGA was just a catch-all phrase for "Hey, you have a problem? Does your life suck? I'll fix it and make it good again!"

    Sane people realized it was just a pile of bullshit being sold by a con-artist salesman. Others ate it hook, line and sinker believing Trump would fix all of their problems.
    As my cousin said, he voted for Trump because at least Trump told him he will bring jobs back. The fact that Hillary listed education and emerging industry, while Trump just repeated slogans is what worked. No one wants to hear they will need to learn something to compete, we just want jobs handed to us.
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