Schizophrenic Canadian who beheaded bus passenger walks free, won’t be monitored.

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I'm saying if this dude goes off his meds and starts murdering people again, the guillotine will be swinging for his psychologist's head more than this guys. The shrink says he's safe to go, so long as he sticks to his meds. Creating a system to ensure he takes his medicine is as much a part of his treatment as assigning the right medicine for him to take.

Doctors pushing pills for head problems is mostly an issue in the US where they can get kickbacks and perks from the for-profit medical/pharamceutical industry. In Canada, while kickbacks can occur, it isn't nearly the same incentive system.

Yes it is, It's the exact same because you still have ADHD being misdiagnosed there at record numbers, Just like every western country.

Also, it says right there, he won't be monitored.

[minteK917]

It's really not, I find it extremely cute you think otherwise.

Point out where the Canadian justice system does not follow its laws? If the first judgement does mistakes, there is always the possibility of appeal all the way up to the supreme court. Perfection does not exist. Our justice system is more than satisfactory considering the rest of the world.

[Yvaelle]

So Canada values the freedom of a schizo more than the life of a carnie. Lovely.

Locking him up doesn't do shit to improve the life of the victim.

I would say execute him but this is Canada so at least keep him in a padded room for the rest of his life. He's already proven he's a danger to society and I wouldn't want to take the chance "God" decides to make a return call to this man's head.

He's a danger if he's off his meds. We unplugged his god-phone. I'm sure pretty much no one regrets his actions more than he does, after coming out of his schizophrenic snap. He is otherwise sane, and has the normal suite of human emotions (he's not a psychopath, as example). Imagine if you murdered someone on your next public transit trip, didn't remember doing it, and were now going to be confined to life in a padded cell (or death, as some are calling for).

It sucks. Utility is maximized though by fixing the problem (his schizophrenia, not his freedom) and getting him back out into the world. The long-term fix is to cure schizophrenia, so we don't risk failing to recognize cases like this before it results in violent crime.

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Point out where the Canadian justice system does not follow its laws? If the first judgement does mistakes, there is always the possibility of appeal all the way up to the supreme court. Perfection does not exist. Our justice system is more than satisfactory considering the rest of the world.

I'm not arguing it's inaccurate, I'm arguing it's laws are built on opinion, not stupid heresay. And most of the ones trying to force gender labor laws come to mind.

[minteK917]

^ This. Don't let families starve, then your loaves don't get stolen. Being compassionate it turns out often has economic benefits!

Hell to make this full circle. If you are a kleptomaniac and get diagnosed, you wouldnt be found guilty.

[Deleted]

It sucks. Utility is maximized though by fixing the problem (his schizophrenia, not his freedom) and getting him back out into the world. The long-term fix is to cure schizophrenia, so we don't risk failing to recognize cases like this before it results in violent crime.

Well, the Maximum Utility would be to Hang him, removes every future problem he could pose.

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Hell to make this full circle. If you are a kleptomaniac and get diagnosed, you wouldnt be found guilty.

Always to punished the honest man.

[Revi]

"As someone who makes up constant bullshit I know more than you because I say so"

No one is buying your shit.

He's right. You've read some very uninformed stuff if you think Schizophrenia is that easily treated.

[Jinpachi]

Cue the people who don't recognize the important part of a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea.

No worries, he'll receive mob justice soon.

[minteK917]

I'm not arguing it's inaccurate, I'm arguing it's laws are built on opinion, not stupid heresay. And most of the ones trying to force gender labor laws come to mind.

You realize the justice system does not vote laws? They can cancel laws that are against the constitution. Say a gender labor law was somehow so drastic and discriminated against men, the justice system would be the one to strike it down since it would probably be in violation of the constitution.

[Deleted]

He's right. You've read some very uninformed stuff if you think Schizophrenia is that easily treated.

Don't you get it? Schizophrenia, the mind literally playing a multitude of different tricks all over itself, is totally different to Gender Dysmorphia, a type of body Dysmorphia that we treat anyway.

It's all politics.

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You realize the justice system does not vote laws? They can cancel laws that are against the constitution. Say a gender labor law was somehow so drastic and discriminated against men, the justice system would be the one to strike it down since it would probably be in violation of the constitution.

Forcing 50% Male and female wage is discriminatory. Yet Canada has that.

[Jinpachi]

https://www.rt.com/news/377065-canad...phrenic-freed/

Yeah, he sounds completely fine to be out in the open.

The main problem here is that we let these types live. They have absolutely ZERO place in a civilized society. Fuck trying to understand them or manage them with meds, you send them straight to the chair, gallows, or whatever form of execution is available in that particular area. All that has to happen is this guy not take his medication for a few days, and perceive someone giving him the eye, and another one bites the dust. There's really no need to even entertain that possibility. And remember, he cut this guy's fucking head off with a goddamn knife. This isn't me advocating for genocide, this is simply taking the trash out of society permanently.

[Aggrophobic]

He should be monitored though, at the very least. Schizophrenics are dangerous as fuck, and this one just killed and cannibalized someone... At best he should be institutionalized.

Most people with schizophrenia are not dangerous though.
This guy might be, but you're speaking about something you clearly know nothing about.

[Revi]

Don't you get it? Schizophrenia, the mind literally playing a multitude of different tricks all over itself, is totally different to Gender Dysmorphia, a type of body Dysmorphia that we treat anyway.

It's all politics.

I'm not getting into the gender dysmorphia thing, I don't think it's relevant, but you said:

Because Schizophrenia is a well know mental illness with a medication that works and stops all the effects.

That is simplifying and misrepresenting things badly. There's no wonder drug that fixes all symptoms. Even if you find a medication that let's you live a regular life, plenty of people go through periods where the symptoms get a lot worse, and for a lot of people they never truly go away, they are just dampened enough to cope with.

We still don't completely understand Schizophrenia either.

[minteK917]

Always to punished the honest man.

The honest man does not seek to punish a person with mental illness for stealing a loaf of bread. A normal person does not need to steal a loaf of bread in Canada, there is many center that distribute foods to the homeless in every city. Puting a diagnosed Kleptomaniac in jail does not help the honest man either. But mental institutions can definitively help the kleptomaniac. Its the same stance we have on drugs. Its better to help the heroin junky to inject safely and help him recover than throw him in jail with criminal charges.

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The honest man does not seek to punish a person with mental illness for stealing a loaf of bread. A normal person does not need to steal a loaf of bread in Canada, there is many center that distribute foods to the homeless in every city. Puting a diagnosed Kleptomaniac in jail does not help the honest man either. But mental institutions can definitively help the kleptomaniac. Its the same stance we have on drugs. Its better to help the heroin junky to inject safely and help him recover than throw him in jail with criminal charges.

It's better to just remove the heroin junky.

[Socialhealer]

If I was a relative of the victim, I would definitely go and kill this guy. Regardless of the consequences, he does not deserve to get away with this.

this and you should get away with it as well, think someone like this happened where a father shot someone point blank in the head as he was being escorted by police, the mental scarring done to a parent scarring can be seen as a mental illness and of course you're judged no threat to the public unless they be-head your child so you should be set free.

[Nazrark]

It is quite amazing to see how so many people disregard the lives of other people.

We are going to get to a point where I can murder someone for just not liking them and I should be able to get off. This is where your line of thinking is going.

[Yvaelle]

Yes it is, It's the exact same because you still have ADHD being misdiagnosed there at record numbers, Just like every western country.

Also, it says right there, he won't be monitored.

The US rate is 11.4%, whereas the world average is 3.4%, and it's not just an issue of lacking diagnosis in the developing world - France is 0.5%.

Part of the overblown controversy is that the DSM classification for ADD and related issues has changed 5 times, each time becoming broader, since the late 1970's. So if you keep changing the definition to include a broader collection of disorders as a spectrum, you end up with more people who fit the definition. The same is true for the 'rise of autism' - part of the issue again is that we changed the definition of autism from a single strictly confined disorder, to be a spectrum of related disorders which are now all combined into the 'autism spectrum'.

The other element is the improvements in our ability to identify and document disorders now - where before sometimes you just had some unruly kids, now some of those unruly kids are recognized as having ADHD.

That doesn't mean that there isn't a higher occurance of such disorders, which may also be true - but I'm skeptical it's the pandemic it is often portrayed as being. I suspect that the increase in the true rate, if there even is an identifiable true rate (due to changes in measurement and records it is impossible to test) - I would suspect psychosocial triggers in our culture and child-rearing methodology, before I would blame vaccines or fluoride or violent video games or whatever.

[minteK917]

Forcing 50% Male and female wage is discriminatory. Yet Canada has that.

No such a law exist lol.Only Quebec and Ontario have equity laws and the only thing these laws do is force an employer to take action if he finds that two employees independent of their gender do the same exact job, they get the same wage per hours of work, with or without union. Other provinces only rely on unions doing the work for them outside the public system.

If you mean the executive being split 50/50. Thats not a law, but most parties will attempt to split. You gotta realize the party that wins get 130+ people elected? Trudeau got 184 people elected. He then gets to pick his minister team out of these 184 elected regional representative. So he picked 50% both gender amoung 184 that were publicity elected, meaning the women as well?

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It's better to just remove the heroin junky.

Then you do just that in your country and we will attempt to help heroin junky recover in our country, how about that?

[Deleted]

No such a law exist lol.Only Quebec and Ontario have equity laws and the only thing these laws do is force an employer to take action if he finds that two employees independent of their gender do the same exact job, they get the same wage per hours of work, with or without union. Other provinces only rely on unions doing the work for them outside the public system.

If you mean the executive being split 50/50. Thats not a law, but most parties will attempt to split. You gotta realize the party that wins get 130+ people elected? Trudeau got 184 people elected. He then gets to pick his minister team out of these 184 elected regional representative. So he picked 50% both gender amoung 184 that were publicity elected, meaning the women as well?

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Then you do just that in your country and we will attempt to help heroin junky recover in our country, how about that?

Well, I am merely using this as a thought experiment. But if you want the truth, Canada is a fucking shit country man in legal terms.