Flynnghazi: Justice Dept. warned WH that advisor vunlnerable to blackmail.

[Edge-]

Happened in the last two years.

Difference between wages in China and USA are of 4% and american workers are more productive than Chinese.

FT in case CNN fake news(though CNN cites):

It's already cheaper to manufacture in Mexico that it is in China.

Also this answer does not satisfy me, creative destruction has always been a thing. Do you weep at the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost to digital storing of images?

Interesting, I wasn't aware that they'd be rising so rapidly as of late. Thanks for the sources on that.

And I'm aware of creative destruction and its role in the technological/economic progress. My point is that rather than offer a forward looking solution, Trump essentially promised a return to "the good old days" that cannot come unless "creative destruction" as a concept is destroyed. Which consequently destroys much of the of the US economy to grow and innovate.

Either way, this is a bit too off topic for this thread so I'll end it here. But if you'd like to continue via PM's I'm down : )

[Felya]

They do not create as many in fact thats literally the point of automation. If im going to invest the capital to automate whatever task that i have humans doing but i also need to hire as many or more people because ofnthat automation then why would i bother?

The idea that automation will produce no losers is just ignorant. You will need to have a plan to deal with them because brother they will soon be many.

Yep, we need to be the country that designs automation.

[DeadmanWalking]

Interesting, I wasn't aware that they'd be rising so rapidly as of late. Thanks for the sources on that.

And I'm aware of creative destruction and its role in the technological/economic progress. My point is that rather than offer a forward looking solution, Trump essentially promised a return to "the good old days" that cannot come unless "creative destruction" as a concept is destroyed. Which consequently destroys much of the of the US economy to grow and innovate.

Either way, this is a bit too off topic for this thread so I'll end it here. But if you'd like to continue via PM's I'm down : )

Just make a another thread about it and let us get back to pounding Trump like the Republicans in Congress will soon be doing because they don't want to get wiped out at the next election.

[NED funded]

They do not create as many in fact thats literally the point of automation. If im going to invest the capital to automate whatever task that i have humans doing but i also need to hire as many or more people because ofnthat automation then why would i bother?

The idea that automation will produce no losers is just ignorant. You will need to have a plan to deal with them because brother they will soon be many.

But, increase in productivity brings back jobs, we did not have here. Imagine if the clothing industry came back to the USA, that would be jobs we did not have and now we do, besides increase in efficiency creates new jobs not necessarily in the same industry but it creates more. I'm not saying it does not create loosers, but I'm willing to let them the be, instead of loosing our edge to China.

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Just make a another thread about it and let us get back to pounding Trump like the Republicans in Congress will soon be doing because they don't want to get wiped out at the next election.

Yeah this is getting off topic.

[Barnabas]

If that's what the investigations conclude, I agree. I just can't help but take a certain depressing sense of pleasure in the irony of it all, and the fact that there have been tons of warnings about Flynn for a while now. All dismissed by the Trump administration until yesterday.

Though if he does get locked up, that's actually even worse for Trump and his administration, especially in light of the comments from Spicer today.

"What did he know, and when did he know it?" is going to be an extremely important set of questions for Trump and many others in his administration in that event. And right now, it's not looking good for them.

The major thing I dislike about trump is his obsession with russia. I'm all for a working relationship but that's honestly about it. We have made america great for almost 40 years without russia. we can do it all over again if its needed.

[Santti]

Trumpsters tired of winning yet?

[Cthulhu 2020]

But, increase in productivity brings back jobs, we did not have here. Imagine if the clothing industry came back to the USA, that would be jobs we did not have and now we do, besides increase in efficiency creates new jobs not necessarily in the same industry but it creates more. I'm not saying it does not create loosers, but I'm willing to let them the be, instead of loosing our edge to China.

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Yeah this is getting off topic.

I fully agree, we need to do what we can to bring manufacturing jobs back here, even if it's mostly done by machines and only a few Americans oversee said machines.

Thing is, Trump is doing nothing to promote this kind of re invigoration of American industry.

[Macaquerie]

But, increase in productivity brings back jobs, we did not have here. Imagine if the clothing industry came back to the USA, that would be jobs we did not have and now we do, besides increase in efficiency creates new jobs not necessarily in the same industry but it creates more. I'm not saying it does not create loosers, but I'm willing to let them the be, instead of loosing our edge to China.

In an ideal world that might happen, but as far as I can see, there are already too many people working random office jobs that aren't really accomplishing anything useful. They always say when we've moved on from manufacturing to a service based economy, but when I think of services I think of people like bartenders and hairdressers, doing something useful and necessary. What we've really become is a nation of managers, constantly busying ourselves for no greater purpose than to perpetuate that administrative structure.

[Felya]

Trumpsters tired of winning yet?

Not sure if it's that, or they are doing their Mr. Burn "excellent" impressions, as this threads moves to Ghyna...

Sorry, for being a dick, but that was too good to pass up saying.

[Breccia]

So, honest question.

Trump via Spicer said the reason Flynn was asked to resign, wasn't that he did anything illegal or uneithical, but because he concealed not doing anything illegal or unethical. Okay. Let's buy that. It was a lack of trust due to intentionally withheld information.

Trump sat on this for over two weeks before telling Pence.

Where's the trust now? Where's the loyalty? Is this proof that Trump is lying about the reason, or just hypocrisy as normal?

[alexw]

Putin did not help an incompetent joke get elected to the White House in order to make America great again.

Even Putin (who apparently isn't that clever) isn't stupid enough to believe Trump could ever make America "great". So no, rather he did to it to let that incompetent joke destroy America from within, plus he knew that that incompetent would be much more friendly to Russia than Clinton would ever be.

On count 1) Its proceeding more as less as planned. Our international reputation is trash and he's nominating total incompetents to positions within government.

On count 2) Well that looks to have been foiled due to the firing of Flynn, which has made it politically impossible for Trump to lift the sanctions as he has been trying to do.

[Edge-]

So, honest question.

Trump via Spicer said the reason Flynn was asked to resign, wasn't that he did anything illegal or uneithical, but because he concealed not doing anything illegal or unethical. Okay. Let's buy that. It was a lack of trust due to intentionally withheld information.

Trump sat on this for over two weeks before telling Pence.

Where's the trust now? Where's the loyalty? Is this proof that Trump is lying about the reason, or just hypocrisy as normal?

I don't think Spicer, Trump, or the administration realize just how complicated the briefing made things...their messaging was all over the place.

The issue is they're looking for an "out" where nobody gets hurt. This isn't the kind of situation where nobody escapes from unscathed, and they should know this.

If they did indeed know 2 weeks ago when Yates warned them, or even earlier than that as Spicer claimed that Trump knew earlier (unless I'm mistaken, it's hard to keep track of all this info), why were they not getting their ducks in a row for the second this information went public and they were forced to act? Why didn't they act preemptively? Why didn't they have anyone to take the "fall" for the administration?

There's so much about this that is bizarre, and so many unanswered questions.

[Torgent]

So, honest question.

Trump via Spicer said the reason Flynn was asked to resign, wasn't that he did anything illegal or uneithical, but because he concealed not doing anything illegal or unethical. Okay. Let's buy that. It was a lack of trust due to intentionally withheld information.

Trump sat on this for over two weeks before telling Pence.

Where's the trust now? Where's the loyalty? Is this proof that Trump is lying about the reason, or just hypocrisy as normal?

Did you see Conway get drilled on this? She's being told by President Orange to lie to the American people, and she's fucking terrible at it lol. She can't form a decent argument to save her life.

[Edge-]

Did you see Conway get drilled on this? She's being told by President Orange to lie to the American people, and she's fucking terrible at it lol. She can't form a decent argument to save her life.

She's really good at it, actually. She's just in a position where there's literally no way to preserve the integrity of Trump, his administration, and Flynn all at once - which from what it looks like are her standing orders. So she's left sounding like a bumbling idiot, because there's literally no defensible position on this.

[Torgent]

She's really good at it, actually. She's just in a position where there's literally no way to preserve the integrity of Trump, his administration, and Flynn all at once - which from what it looks like are her standing orders. So she's left sounding like a bumbling idiot, because there's literally no defensible position on this.

Well I should say she's really bad at covering up for them. She's probably fantastic at lying, but can't keep up with the countless lies on top of lies to cover up lies that were used to distract from other lies.

[Felya]

So, honest question.

Trump via Spicer said the reason Flynn was asked to resign, wasn't that he did anything illegal or uneithical, but because he concealed not doing anything illegal or unethical. Okay. Let's buy that. It was a lack of trust due to intentionally withheld information.

Trump sat on this for over two weeks before telling Pence.

Where's the trust now? Where's the loyalty? Is this proof that Trump is lying about the reason, or just hypocrisy as normal?

There is a simpler question... if the issue is simply trust. What does the fact Flynn couldn't be trusted, mean during the time he was aware of secret information in Trump's cabinet? Was he 100% in the dark of anything remotely secret or did he learn anything he can continue to lie about?

[Breccia]

Did you see Conway get drilled on this? She's being told by President Orange to lie to the American people, and she's fucking terrible at it lol. She can't form a decent argument to save her life.

No, last I saw Conway was before Spicer's...um..."performance". Hadn't seen her since.

[Edge-]

Well I should say she's really bad at covering up for them. She's probably fantastic at lying, but can't keep up with the countless lies on top of lies to cover up lies that were used to distract from other lies.

Again, she still is. She's been doing that for Trump for well over a year, mostly to pretty solid success.

It's just getting to the point where it's impossible to prop up, misdirect from, understate, or flat out lie about all the lies.

She's literally being asked to do the impossible in preserving the integrity of Trump, his administration, and Flynn all at once. The fact that she's even showing up for televised interviews at all is bloody impressive. She's pure evil and has established that she has no issues lying to people on national television, but the fact that she's so unwaveringly loyal to Trump and willing to do bullshit like this is still somewhat impressive.

[Torgent]

No, last I saw Conway was before Spicer's...um..."performance". Hadn't seen her since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy_mF7-FkeQ

First video I found of it, no idea what that channel is lol.

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Again, she still is. She's been doing that for Trump for well over a year, mostly to pretty solid success.

It's just getting to the point where it's impossible to prop up, misdirect from, understate, or flat out lie about all the lies.

She's literally being asked to do the impossible in preserving the integrity of Trump, his administration, and Flynn all at once. The fact that she's even showing up for televised interviews at all is bloody impressive.

She has been consistently called out on her bullshit since day 1 lol. She's done a terrible job the whole time, people just weren't paying attention.

[Breccia]

First video I found of it, no idea what that channel is lol.

Yes, that's the one. It's pre-Spicer. I don't know that she's said anything publicly about this since Spicer flat-out contradicted her.